Exploring the Link Between PBIS and ABA with Rob Horner

In this insightful episode of the Think Inclusive Podcast, Dr. Rob Horner, a prominent figure in the special education and behavioral analysis community, delves deep into the interconnected worlds of Positive Behavioral Interventions and Supports (PBIS) and Applied Behavior Analysis (ABA). Recorded in Marietta, Georgia, Tim Villegas hosts an enriching dialogue exploring the fundamental principles of human behavior, the practical applications of ABA, and how these methodologies contribute to inclusive education and supporting students with challenging behaviors.The conversation unpacks the theoretical and practical underpinnings of ABA, describing it as the study of behavior patterns and their interactions with the environment. Dr. Horner explains how PBIS extends ABA principles within a broader context to create supportive and sustainable environments in schools. Throughout the episode, concerns regarding the historical applications of ABA, such as its association with compliance and aversive techniques, are discussed and clarified. Dr. Horner emphasizes that PBIS is about designing effective environments to promote positive, socially valued outcomes for all students.Complete show notes and transcript: