EPISODE · Jul 31, 2026 · 32 MIN
Fascinated with Humans
from The Circle Podcast — two therapists, no script, thinking out loud. · host Candice Hamilton-Miller, Ari Shapero
Fascinated with Humans Two therapists sit down without a plan and follow a good question wherever it goes. What starts as "how close is too close to a client?" turns into an honest conversation about talking about suicide without flinching, why the mandate to keep people safe depends on going deeper rather than backing away, and what happens to the work when we stop trying to be the expert. Along the way: curiosity versus judgment, the difference between fixing and understanding, why nobody grows from being comfortable, and the idea that we, not the office or the toolbox, are the space the work happens in. Content note: this episode includes open discussion of suicide and MAID (medical assistance in dying). What we get into: - How close is too close to a client: transference, countertransference, and the "friend zone" - "Who are we to say suicide is wrong?" A colleague's question, MAID, and the gray areas mental health still occupies - Why the safety mandate needs the deep conversation, not less of it, and how documentation protects you - From understanding to fascination: curiosity and judgment can't share a room - Letting go of the expert seat - Fixing versus understanding, and the idea that maybe nothing is wrong - Nobody grows from being comfortable - "We are the space": the real room is the conversation between two people - Aging, burnout, and getting the magic back Links: - Join The Circle (free two-week trial): https://tinyurl.com/th3c1rcl3 Like the way we think? The Circle is where we keep the conversation going with clinicians like you. Come find your people: https://tinyurl.com/th3c1rcl3 Like the way we think? The Circle is where we keep the conversation going with clinicians like you. Come find your people: The Therapist Circle
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How close is too close to a client, and what happens when we stop trying to be the expert? Candice and Ari start there and wander through talking about suicide without flinching, curiosity versus judgment, and why this work can still feel like magic.
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