Feelpinions
from The Ten Thousand Things Hosted by Sam Ellis, Joe Loh and Ali Catramados
What are feelpinions? - Ali shares her definition and how she views it through a Dialectical Behavioural lens of logic and emotion. Sam elaborates why all extremes are mutually constitutive and why logic needs emotion and emotion needs logic, Joe however, wants more facts. We ask how do feelpinions affect our day to day? Are they needed to run the country or just good value in the cricket group chat? We share what sources we use to get our facts and how the perceived value of those facts influence how we feel about them. Ali likes her ritual of subscription news, Joe enjoys paid substack articles from bloggers while Sam prefers primary sources and secondary analysis. Can we trust our feelings and how do we manage our feelings when the facts feel terrifying? We explore how we manage the balance of fear with facts. We appreciate your feedback, if you want to reach out you can you can find us on instagram and threads @thetenthousandthingspodcast Episode image by Craig, catch more of his great stuff on the gram (00:00) - Theme (00:19) - Introduction (00:31) - Definition, and fact checking is for other people (01:24) - Are opinions a problem? (01:59) - The wise mind - dialectical behaviour therapy (03:33) - Recognising error and culpability, exalted being / worthless being (04:44) - Extremes make each other - cops make hippies and hippies make cops (06:10) - They stole the presents from under the Christmas tree (08:47) - Speaking with an authoritative tone (09:59) - Feelpinions in sport (11:13) - The ideal republic governed by detached intellectuals? (11:54) - Subscribing to writers of long articles on Substack (13:48) - Rational to feel sick about wind turbines? (17:14) - SamGPT (17:59) - Paying someone to tell you what to think (19:11) - Joe used to read the Economist, and pay for it (19:30) - If you pay, you value it (21:32) - Noah Smith and Matt Yglesias (22:02) - Paying to get a better quality of opinion - The Age and Guardian suck now (25:13) - Following Ukraine conflict through bloggers, Telegram, and academics (27:35) - The incentive is to spread rumour (28:05) - The Age is very bad now - in case we didnt already say that (29:14) - Crowd funded blog journalists, Matt Yglesias, NoahPininion, Matt Taibbi (29:44) - The market beats us all out of shape in the end (30:02) - I'm interested once it becomes old news (30:44) - Why does Putin wanna kill me with a nuke? (31:22) - Putin will sort all the problems out (31:50) - MAGA still matters? Yes, and no. Christian Identity and Maga Communism (33:10) - So you guys aren't worried about facts being hard to establish? (33:22) - Is the Montana survivalist actually crazier than the Christian fascist? (33:50) - Planning for a future, what future? Losing a parent young (35:06) - Don't worry, we all love facts (35:24) - Distrusting your feelings (36:41) - Nixon didn't blow up Vietnam, not with nukes anyway (37:38) - I just need to talk this stuff through sometimes / don't worry about things you can't change (39:10) - Douglas Murray - read the news for five minutes only. Also he seems fash (39:59) - ABC News app (40:25) - Podcast recommendations (42:25) - Centrist and the lure of false rationality (43:10) - People don't read the articles we share (43:59) - Who would I send this to? No one, that's who (44:36) - Joe shoulld have his own feed: breaking down centrist coverage (45:24) - Michael Schellenberger (46:05) - The end of the world is not the end of the world (47:00) - The algorithm treats us to the dialectic, too much of this, and now, too much of the other (48:06) - Joe Rogan and Greta Thunberg (49:33) - Joe Rogan before he was really big (51:10) - Lucky to have wise friends (51:41) - Feelings help absorb the facts (52:55) - A vague sense that we might muddle through Creators & Guests Sam Ellis - Host Ali Catramados - Host Joe Loh - Host
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- 0:00 Theme
- 0:19 Introduction
- 0:31 Definition, and fact checking is for other people
- 1:24 Are opinions a problem?
- 1:59 The wise mind - dialectical behaviour therapy
- 3:33 Recognising error and culpability, exalted being / worthless being
- 4:44 Extremes make each other - cops make hippies and hippies make cops
- 6:10 They stole the presents from under the Christmas tree
- 8:47 Speaking with an authoritative tone
- 9:59 Feelpinions in sport
- 11:13 The ideal republic governed by detached intellectuals?
- 11:54 Subscribing to writers of long articles on Substack
- 13:48 Rational to feel sick about wind turbines?
- 17:14 SamGPT
- 17:59 Paying someone to tell you what to think
- 19:11 Joe used to read the Economist, and pay for it
- 19:30 If you pay, you value it
- 21:32 Noah Smith and Matt Yglesias
- 22:02 Paying to get a better quality of opinion - The Age and Guardian suck now
- 25:13 Following Ukraine conflict through bloggers, Telegram, and academics
- 27:35 The incentive is to spread rumour
- 28:05 The Age is very bad now - in case we didnt already say that
- 29:14 Crowd funded blog journalists, Matt Yglesias, NoahPininion, Matt Taibbi
- 29:44 The market beats us all out of shape in the end
- 30:02 I'm interested once it becomes old news
- 30:44 Why does Putin wanna kill me with a nuke?
- 31:22 Putin will sort all the problems out
- 31:50 MAGA still matters? Yes, and no. Christian Identity and Maga Communism
- 33:10 So you guys aren't worried about facts being hard to establish?
- 33:22 Is the Montana survivalist actually crazier than the Christian fascist?
- 33:50 Planning for a future, what future? Losing a parent young
- 35:06 Don't worry, we all love facts
- 35:24 Distrusting your feelings
- 36:41 Nixon didn't blow up Vietnam, not with nukes anyway
- 37:38 I just need to talk this stuff through sometimes / don't worry about things you can't change
- 39:10 Douglas Murray - read the news for five minutes only. Also he seems fash
- 39:59 ABC News app
- 40:25 Podcast recommendations
- 42:25 Centrist and the lure of false rationality
- 43:10 People don't read the articles we share
- 43:59 Who would I send this to? No one, that's who
- 44:36 Joe shoulld have his own feed: breaking down centrist coverage
- 45:24 Michael Schellenberger
- 46:05 The end of the world is not the end of the world
- 47:00 The algorithm treats us to the dialectic, too much of this, and now, too much of the other
- 48:06 Joe Rogan and Greta Thunberg
- 49:33 Joe Rogan before he was really big
- 51:10 Lucky to have wise friends
- 51:41 Feelings help absorb the facts
- 52:55 A vague sense that we might muddle through
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