Former New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern on Crisis, Kindness, and Change

In a world that rewards power grabs, Jacinda Ardern chose a different path. The former prime minister of New Zealand, who led her country through the Christchurch massacre and COVID, talks with Katie about leading through heartbreak and crisis, why kindness isn't weakness, and the courage it takes to step away from power. It's all detailed in her new book A Different Kind of Power and the behind-the-scenes doc Prime Minister, out June 13. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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In a world that rewards power grabs, Jacinda Ardern chose a different path. The former prime minister of New Zealand, who led her country through the Christchurch massacre and COVID, talks with Katie about leading through heartbreak and crisis, why kindness isn't weakness, and the courage it takes to step away from power. It's all detailed in her new book A Different Kind of Power and the behind-the-scenes doc Prime Minister, out June 13. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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