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Welcome to the Serial Killer podcast, the podcast dedicated to serial killers, who they were, what they did, and how. I am your Norwegian host, Thomas Viborgthül. And to be honest, I have been somewhat tired of staying in Europe and North America for so long. So tonight, they are listener.
Let us dress in summer clothes, don some nice sunglasses and perhaps a panama hat, because we are going to Brazil. I usually do not give out so-called trigger warnings on my show. But this episode is an exception. Tonight, I will present to you very graphic and gruesome details of serial murder involving victims from the age of 4 to 14.
It is very disturbing and not recommended for children or people sensitive to gruesome graphic content. Although most serial killer stories we had about Norwegian 8, in the USA or Europe, these are not the blazes of the most extreme cases of serial murder. Previously on this show, I have covered the case of Pedro Lopez, the serial killer with the world's highest number of confirmed victims. He was a resident of Colombia.
There are, however, far more killers like Lopez in the sunkest lands of South America. In Brazil, a killer hunted young victims from 1991 up until his arrest in 2003. He killed at least 30 children and is suspected of as many as 42. He tortured and mutilated his victims, and I think it is very odd his name is not more known here in the West.
I am of course talking about none other than Francisco, Dastchagas, Rodriguez, Debrito. The media has not given him a serial killer nickname, but if they had, I suspect it would be the Beast of Maran yao. Also, a quick update on my Patreon. I have now introduced bonus episodes and exclusive content for patrons that donate $10 or more.
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Before I continue with the tale of Shagas, let me give you a brief warning. I do not speak Portuguese, so my pronunciation of names and places throughout this episode will probably be terrible. I am sorry about this, and I hope my Brazilian and Portuguese listeners will forgive me. His eyes are meek, the skin is light brown, and the body thin, only 1 meter and 62 centimeters high.
Nothing scares the mechanic Francisco Dastchagas, Rodriguez, Debrito, 38 years old. But, he is possibly the greatest serial killer in Brazilian history. He is accused of having raped, murdered, and maimed 42 boys during 15 years in the interior of Para, in São Luis, the capital city in the Brazilian state of Maran yao. At dawn, on Wednesday 25 of October 2006, he was sentenced to 20 years and eight months in prison for only one of the deaths, that of the boy Jonatan Silva Vieira.
There were 41 more horror stories to be told. Shagas was born in 1965 in the interior of Maran yao, where he lived in the city of Altamira. It is suspected he started killing as early as 1986 in Altamira. There, it was 12 boys who died following his attacks, while three other boys managed to survive, dragging themselves, covered in wounds and blood out of the woods.
They had had their penis sliced off with a knife, emasculated, forever marked and disfigured by Shagas. In 1991, Shagas went to live in the capital. He settled in an area of popular houses known as the Tropical Garden. There, he continued killing.
For eight years, he hunted young slender boys, whom he would kidnap, rape, torture, and kill. One of the victims, the boy Daniel Vieira, Ribeira, only four years old, was taken from his home while his father slept. Shagas was a volunteer in the search carried out by the police. The boy's mother, Monjeka Regina Vieira, is quoted as saying, This pain I'll take with me forever.
Shagas was finally arrested in December of 2003 after the death of a 14-year-old boy who lived near his work. Shagas had called the boy, named Jonatan Silva Vieira, to collect a chai in the woods. Before leaving, the boy warned his older sister where and with whom he would go. When police began investigating Jonatan's disappearance, Shagas thus became the prime suspect.
At his home, investigators discovered bodies of other victims, including Daniel. At first, no one imagined the possibility of serial killings. We worked with the hypotheses of organ trafficking, black magic, and even tarot actions, said prosecutor Samarone Dezus Amaya, who served on the indictment in Jonatan's case. The prosecutor was further quoted as saying, The lesson for me is that the Brazilian judicial system is not prepared for this type of criminal.
To begin with, the police had difficulty proving Shagas's guilt in all deaths with similar characteristics. They visited the researcher Ilana Cassoy from the Forensic Center of the Institute of Psychiatry, of the hospital Das Kleenikas, in São Paru. She traced the psychological profile of the probable killer and compared it to that of Shagas. As I have mentioned several times in previous episodes, most serial killers, especially the compulsive ones, have a specific signature, a modus operandi.
The signature of the Shagas on the sides was the emasculation of the victims and the type of victims. They were all slender boys no older than 14 years. According to the experts, he cut off the genitals of the boys with a knife. Before doing this, he strangled the boys until they passed out and then proceeded to analy rape them.
The cause of death was sometimes at least regulation, but other times it was the hemorrhage resulting from the brutal emasculation. According to the police investigation, Francisco Shagas took the boys to closed woods, persuading them to gather fruit or to hunt birds. After killing them, he performed a strange ritual. With a cone made of green leaves, he collected blood from the emasculation wound.
If necessary, he made new holes in the body until filling the cone. He drew a cross on the forest floor and covered it with the dead boy's blood. The male organ was wrapped in a piece of the victim's shirt and thrown into a body of water. It could be a river, a pond or the sea.
Not infrequently, small pieces of the body were also amputated, ears, fingers, calves, hands or nipples. The corpse was covered with two cum leaves, always two cum, a species of spiny palm common in the region. On rare occasions, the victim was only passed out from the strangulation and would wake up later to excruciating pain from the multiple wounds before dying of bloodless and exposure. In later interviews and interrogations, Shagas said he heard voices and saw a white being floating about 40 centimetres off the ground to show his next victim.
Psychologist Maria Adelade Defreyitas Caírez, also from the HC Forensic Centre, made the psychological report of Shagas. According to her, he was an outwardly patient man. He took patients to hospitals, bought medicine, and helped clean up his neighbour's land. He had already run for president of the residence association where he was discovered.
The psychologist further testified at his trial that Shagas was, to some extent, aware of his actions. By four votes to three, the jury considered it semi-attributable. This means that he was legally responsible for his actions, but may have a reduction of up to two thirds of the penalty. The judge awarded him a one-third reduction.
It will not make much difference because the penalties are cumulative, and the upcoming trials ensured that Shagas spends the rest of his days in prison. So, let us for once speculate a bit on the phenomenon of serial killers. Here on the podcast, I try to tell my listeners the facts and stories of the life of the world's many serial killers. But I have not done very many episodes discussing the phenomenon itself.
What, for example, makes a willing and caring person in your community to commit monstrous acts? According to experts, there is little to no conclusive explanation. Serial killers are a worldwide phenomenon. There are thousands of films made about them, like the excellent film The Silence of the Lambs, and my personal favourite, Zodiac.
But no one claims to completely understand them. Tchaikatris Elayana-Kaso says there are still very little scientific studies done on them. Even so, Shagas's childhood suggests some answers. He grew up in poverty, the youngest of five farmers' children, and he lost his mother at a tender age of four.
He was raised by his maternal grandmother who beat him with an Allianna, according to him and a sister. The grandmother would put a piece of paper on a wall where she wrote down punishable acts. When they got to eight, the kid himself had to go to the woods to get the vine he would be beaten with. Shagas said during the trial that he had been sexually abused by a much older 15-year-old boy whom his grandmother took into the house.
According to Shagas, this happened at least three times. Childhood trauma and abuse is thought to be conductive to abusive behaviour as an adult. Psychiatrist Elayana-Kasoay claims that in more than 80% of cases of serial felons, there was sexual abuse in childhood. In the case of Shagas, the victims always had the same characteristics, physical and social that he once had.
They were thin and poor boys. So, it is not implausible that in each victim, Shagas saw the child that he had been, and he wanted to kill his own past. Shagas himself says he has never felt any remorse for the murders. He did not feel sorry for the victims or their families, which I will detail more in a complete interview at the end of this episode.
Like the far more famous, but far less prolific serial killer known as Son of Sam, Shagas blames his acts on hearing voices and a supernatural force, making him perform his evil deeds. It is impossible to know if it's true he had these delusions, but I suspect this may be a way for him to better handle the enormity of his crimes, a way for him to simply live with himself. Another characteristic of Shagas that are also quite common among serial killers is intelligence. He completed only four grades in elementary school.
Even so, he speaks with a plumb and a vocabulary far above the average of his social group. The coefficient of intelligence, IQ test, that he did indicated a score of 105, a level considered excellent for those with his socioeconomic background in Brazil. The tale of Shagas seems more and more like a cliche, Hollywood serial killer film. The police even say Shagas was playing some kind of game with them.
His accounts of the deaths followed a cycle of evolution. First, he said he did not remember anything. But at every discovery of the inquiry he was confronted with, he said, there you got me. And then he gave new information as a sort of reward to researchers.
Psychologists have no doubt that he has killed all 42 boys. They cite the peculiar signature of every homicidal serial. And they claim that he not only claim the responsibility for the murders, but also identified the death sites, and provided details that could only be described by those who participated in them. Shagas's arrest and the following investigation led to their review of all criminal cases.
Five people had been arrested for the killings in Maran Yao, and one of them had been convicted. These cases were reviewed and the innocent men released. The police of Para, however, did not accept the conclusions that Shagas was solely responsible for the many child killings. There, the case was treated as a series of 19 victims that six people were responsible for.
They, according to the police, mauled them during black magic rituals and then sacrificed them. These six were part of a sect called LUS, translated as Superior Universal Alignment in English. The president of the sect, Valentina the Andrade, author of the book Deus the Great Force, was the only one acquitted. Today she lives in Argentina where she is the seat of the sect.
Of the six convicts, two are in prison, three have fled, and one is suspected of being dead. Francisco Shagas is a farce, says Rosa Passoa, president of the Association of Relatives of the Victims and Mother of One of the Boys killed in Para. We believe that he can be part of the group that killed the children, but he could never have acted alone. What you're trying to do is cover up the powerful, she says.
She refers to two doctors and a businesswoman suspected in the murders. What reinforces the thesis of the investigators in Para is that there were at least five similar attacks in Altamira when Shagas was already in Marangao. Taking Altamira to help locate the missing bodies, he indicated a wrong location. There were only animal bones in the place he showed, says Maria Aymunda dos Santos, the aunt of one of the dead boys.
She is part of a committee in defense of the lives of Altamira and his children, formed after the tragedy by relatives of the victims. One hypothesis is that Shagas had contact with the members of the sect, learned his macabre technique, and replicated the murders in Marangao. Shagas says he knew only one of those convicted of the deaths in Para. He is one of the culprits, says the committees Antonia Melo.
What families want is for all those convicted to be arrested. The case of Francisco das Shagas Rodriguez de Brito took many years to reach a conclusion. It is a cause of controversy in Brazil and was actually reported to the organization of American states, OAS, as a miscarriage of justice on behalf of all those victims who died before police took action. According to the Secretary of State for Human Rights and Popular Participation in Brazil, abbreviated as Sari Pop.
The case of emasculated boys led the state of Marangao to recognize its responsibility for violating human rights and to develop educational actions, as well as strengthening public policies. Francisco Gonzales said that Governor Flavio Dino sent a bill to the legislative assembly to give a pension to the families of the dead boys, which would initially be paid for 15 years and to continually update its value. A panel, coordinated by prosecutors Sondro Lovato, brought together prosecutor Geralí Desmenon Bunch Acastro, who served in the investigation of the case of emasculated children and the lawyer and Secretary of State for Human Rights at a time, Salveo Dino. The case lasted more than two years and began dealing with crimes that apparently had no connection to each other.
It was a defense father, Marcos Passarini, that began to catalogue the cases, identifying the existence of similar characteristics. After the denunciation offered by the defense center to the OAS, the Marangao Public Prosecutors offers set up a task force with other organs to act directly in the investigations of the cases. This joint work led to the identification of Francisco das Chagas Rodriguez de Brito, who later confessed to the crimes. Chagas was ultimately sentenced to 580 years and 10 months of imprisonment for the murder of 28 boys.
The remaining 14 boys are disputed, with Chagas saying it was him and the Para prosecutor saying it was El Nueskelt, who murdered them in their rituals. Francisco das Chagas now spends his days in the maximum security prison in São Luis, in an isolated cell. The management of the prison fears that the other prisoners will attack him if they have contact with him. What follows is the transcript of an interview done by the newspaper magazine, Season.
Season. Was your condemnation just? Francisco das Chagas. Just this is doing her job and was correct, but in my opinion, it is necessary to judge the person on the side of solidarity, on the more human side.
Do not just look on the side of evil, what happened to me can happen to anyone. The bug is out there on the loose, we can all be tempted at any moment. Season. To the jury, you told the person of a childhood suffering without appearance, with mistreatment and sexual abuse.
Does your past justify the crimes you committed? Chagas. I do not really like to talk about my childhood. No one likes to talk about suffering.
I did not have affection from a father, attention that loved that a child needs. At four, my father left my mother. Then my mother died. My maternal grandmother was to race us.
I was a child who never had the pleasure of getting a gift. And I wish the Brazilian people could pay attention to their children. When I was six years old, my grandmother called a boy to live there with us. That was something I kept.
I hid from my family, because of the shame. When my grandmother was going to make purchases in the city, this boy about three times abused me. I told them these stories now because they asked me. But it does not mean that things that happened are an excuse for what I did.
Season. What was the meaning of the ritual in the deaths you practiced? Chagans. I am not homosexual.
I feel very disgusted when they call me that. I like women. My business is women. That does not matter.
I did not have sex with the victim. This is not true. Season. Police found your semen on the bodies.
How do you explain that? Chagans. That's not true. If it was, I'd say.
Season. How did the deaths begin? Chagans. I never had the desire to hurt anyone.
I've always been a regular person. When I was about 20, I began to feel that difference in myself. That love was gone. There was a voice that spoke to me.
Yes. People think this is crazy, but it is not. Season. Did you repent?
Chagans. When I was in that mess, I did not regret anything. No. People say this is a monster, but what happened to me can happen to anyone outside.
Season. Did you want to be forgiven? Chagans. A mother there on the jury said she could forgive me, but only after she beat me.
How can a person like this be forgiven by God? God gave his only son for the sacrifice. If the person does not forgive their neighbor, God cannot forgive that person. Season.
If you had not been discovered, would you kill again? Chagans. I do not know. I do not think so.
That had a certain determination. Now it is gone. I am not a bad person. Season.
If you could go back in time, what would you do differently? Chagans. I was going to be a quiet and happy person. I was never going to do a bad thing to anyone, because I already knew the reaction that exists when we do evil.
I am a person who still thinks about being happy. I still want to be a respectful citizen, and I want to be respected as people respected me. I thought about ending my life, but one thing told me that God still has joy for me. I will not appeal the sentence, I just want God to give me another chance.
The research for this case has been very difficult, as little information exists in English. I had to read Brazilian sources. But in any case, in honor of the children, who lost their lives to Chagans, and for them to be the, well, if not lasting memory, then at least the last names from this case you hear instead of him. I will now list the names of the 28 boys Chagas was convicted of murdering.
Alexandra de Lemos Pereira. Antonio Reyes Silva. Bernardo de Silva Mudesto. Bernardo Rodriguez Costa.
Carlos Wagner dos Santos Sousa. Daniel Ferreira Ribeiro. Diego Gomez Aronio. Erivan Pinto Lubato.
Eduardo Roccha de Silva. Evanilson Cantonej Costa. Armaganas Colares. Ivanildo Povuas Ferreira.
Halzon Alves Viana. Yonatan Silva Viera. Josemar De Jesus Batista. Julio Cesar Ferreira-Mello.
Larcio Silva Martins. Nerevaldo dos Santos Ferreira. Nunato Alves de Silva. Rafael Carvalio Carnero.
Raimundo Luis Sousa Cordero. Raimundo Nunato da Conce Chao Filio. Raniaer Silva Cruz. Wilson Frasao Serra.
Alexandre dos Santos Consalves. Sebastian Ridairo Borges. Contalvanes Machado Scotland. Manuel Diego de Jesus Silva.
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