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And as K7 would encourage, you gotta come baby, come and join in on the fun of the One Hit Thunder podcast. Being Friday the 13th tomorrow, as is tradition over on this podcast, it's Friday the 13th this week. So of course we're gonna have to talk about a Friday the 13th movie. But what's not tradition is that this one was picked by not Matt Kelly.
So Scott, I mean, I think I can guess why you picked Friday the 13th. But hey, why did you pick Friday the 13th? And it's in anniversary. That's it.
Do you think we would have picked this movie at some point if it weren't a Friday the 13th anniversary? I think yes. And the reason why I think this movie, but I don't think there's anything to say about it. So here's the reason why I say yes, is I think that we are very often hesitant to pick the first film in a franchise when it's like Halloween, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Nightmare on Elm Street.
Because those are usually good movies, but like Friday the 13 starts as schlocky bullshit right out the gate. So I feel like of all of them, this is the one that's most acceptable for us to actually cover the first one. Because it wasn't really trying to be a good movie to begin with. But I've noticed over the last couple of years, and maybe it's ever since I started doing like, hey, it's right at 13th, I don't have any plans.
I'm going to watch as much of the franchise as I can. Even though I still would put Nightmare on Elm Street as my favorite horror franchise, these films have all become like a weirdly comforting franchise to watch. Because I think in that same way that I've described like YA novels and like Hallmark Christmas movies, it's just a very simple formula that they very rarely move away from. And you can just put on like any one of them and kind of zone out.
It's almost cozy. It's like it's cozy as a slasher film can be in that way. I also, I will say that this is the first time that I watched it. I felt it's like a template or like ability to be the template, right?
Like I understood that. But I also, I felt more and more like, I don't know. I was like the romance and the love scenes have more to them than I thought like the two initial sex scenes all would be at the end in death where there's some more tender than I kind of think or categorize a Friday the 13th movie a lot of times, or even just slasher like relationships in general. That whole moment where they're out in the thunderstorm before they actually go, they haven't been here.
The moment they're in the thunderstorm before they get to that bunk, it's like it actually gives them purpose to have sex before, I mean, still desire and lust and like whatever. But it's not just like a walking into a bedroom where people are having sex. You literally couldn't place their character or name five minutes ago, which I feel is a common trope down the road. This one, I felt, I don't know, I actually appreciated this a lot more on this watch.
And also it's not falling into like, you know, we record these before Friday 13. So it's not like we're sitting down watching the marathon, Matt like you normally do and like you sort of have the beats and the knowledge of where everything lands. One off Friday 13th is it kind of hits different. Yeah.
No, I would agree with that versus like when you're binging them, you're starting to like see every single trope over and over again. Which is kind of how I approach them now. I just know, I know that Friday 13th has all these sequels and has a thing and like there's probably no other, there's probably no other franchise. And again, I've discussed my not real love for this franchise, but I do think that it is the franchise that you can just jump into and watch movie after movie, after movie more so than a Halloween or even like a nightmare on Elm Street.
I guess I'm probably the closest, but I don't know. I think it's because this says the least amount of lore attached to it as well. Like all you need to know is like Jason Boorhees, hockey mask and machete like going into it. It's so interesting that the podcast, there's a podcast that I've loved basically since I discovered podcasting called the Flop House, where they deep dive into like recent box office bombs, but they've been doing these bonus episodes where they'll just sit down and either play a lot of stuff that we do in our Patreon.
They'll play like movie related games with each other or they'll interview somebody. And they had someone who's working on a book about the history of Giallo. And he had actually mentioned how like Friday 13th is probably the closest, he said the Friday 13th film and the 90s erotic thrillers are like the closest thing to like American Giallo films. That's interesting.
When you get to Friday 13th part two, they're literally pulling kill scenes from Twitch of the death nerve and stuff like that. But he actually pointed out something that I never thought about and I want to bring this up here because it applies to this so well. Is we all know like the name Giallo comes from these like murder mystery books that had the yellow covers. He goes what people forget is like the people who collected those books fucking loved Agatha Christie.
And he goes if you think about it through that lens and then there were none is literally the blueprint for every Giallo and anything that follows that format because you have a starting point of people, they keep dying. You know one of them is the person committing the murder and you have to try to solve the mystery as different people get killed off. Now this one pulls that that rug out from under us when the reveal is a character that we have not met up until this point. Yeah.
But like I'm sure first time watchers in 1980 are literally trying to figure out like which one of these people that I'm following is committing these murders. That's an interesting framework. That's an interesting lens. I like that a lot.
Yeah. You know like I never really thought about it in that sense but it's a really really cool argument to be had. I was going to say I heard it was just like, Oh, well you got it. I got beards kittens and canoes which I've definitely had on here before but uh just because of the canoe.
I don't even think I don't even remember a cat ever. But the canoe is essential. What about you Scott? I have a burned the path from branch and bone.
And the reason I did that is because how else are you going to get the camp ready in time? You got to burn you got to burn some paths. That's right. That's right.
That's that's a good one. Cheers. Cheers to you. Now the thing about this is that I don't really I did write a very loose synopsis but it's I mean again this is a movie that we don't really need to do us an synopsis for because if you haven't seen Friday the 13th 1980 I mean that's pretty fucking crazy.
It's kind of baffling how you made it to this podcast. To this moment. If you haven't watched it and you need to tell us before you like when you listen to this podcast I need to know if there's somebody who has gotten to this point that has not seen Friday. If this is if this is your introduction to H.M.N.
because you're like oh I want to hear what these guys say about Friday the 13th that's amazing and let us know and we'll probably you know give you swag now don't lie about it because we'll find you. We'll find you. Don't lie to us because our swag's not that good but what are you talking about? Honestly our swag's pretty amazing.
Let's attempt at least the the uh the summary but I agree with you I don't think that there's that much we need to really deep dive into here. Yeah well I mean it's it's so interesting because if you ever um are like me and you know you go to check and see what trivia you might be able to find on Wikipedia or IMDB or Wikipedia. The IMDB comments sometimes are hilarious like the reviews because one of the top reviews right now at least that I saw was somebody saying I had never seen this before and this was a recent review. I had never seen this before but I had seen so many things that it influenced and so it's really hard to be to have any sort of perspective about how important this movie was you know because of the historical context of it you know watching it in 1980 versus watching it now and I have to agree I also think that that's a just a wild thought process that there are people that are like still coming to see Friday the 13th 1980 because it's just such it's an institution and I do love this movie it of probably of all the movies in this franchise this is the one that I would be most likely to come back to not because it's better not because the kills are better and I do have some misgivings with it which we'll get to but the reason why I think that this movie has the most nostalgia factor for me is that it feels the most I don't it feels like a summer camp like the most of them kind of feel too modern you know like I wasn't even born when this movie came out but I just it gives that weird artificial nostalgia of like oh my god this is I mean and and there's another movie from around the same time that I won't mention that will probably be Matt's double feature but they both have I think it's the aesthetic of the clothing and hair that really just feels like young childhood for me so anyway that's why I mean I come back to this movie a lot I'll usually maybe not every summer but when I was in high school and probably all of college so good I'd say a good eight maybe 10 years there I watched every summer would have been a while since I'd seen it you know probably about like six or seven years since the last time I watched it but let's get into a quick synopsis so it starts with Camp Crystal Lake in 1958 and these kids are singing Kumbaya and other hymns around a campfire and the girl playing the guitar and her boyfriend are just I fucking real hard and so they real hard I mean that is kills aside that is one of my most memorable just moments is seeing them I fucking right back and forth it's not even the way that it's there it's just like I never wanted anyone like that before in my life you know but like there's this heightened I'm sorry I just I just that moment is so important to me because I feel the same sort of way about the nostalgia of camp like it just gives me this idea that it's like oh we were right when we thought that the counselors were into each other like you know what I mean like as a kid or a monster like yeah raging raging I was never I had a question for both of you guys and then I'll answer with I'll answer my own question but did you guys go to sleep wake amps like summer camps growing up now I was I was a counselor at one okay and I went I was a counselor and Carly was there and it was it was a Christian camp so the amount of sex that was there so as none is zero yeah but the guilt was very high and I will say I um I don't know if I should say one of the counselors that I went to that camp with later became a porn star which is absolutely crazy um congrats to them and I'm camped out they go do porn you know they got out of it I don't know if I want to keep that in there that's fine you keep it in there no no names no genders it's it's it's it's quite safe now what about you know they later come on to be a porn star other than that nobody nobody nobody was getting it on at our camp uh mat you didn't did you do were you a camp counselor or a camper no the closest the closest I ever came to any form of like summer camp stuff all similar to you Kyle does tie back to church stuff but it was like you know going on a mission strip for a week or like you know a church retreat for a weekend in the woods or you know like vacation bible school but that was more like driving there and back every day while still sleeping in my own bed and like even with like the mission strip stuff it was always like college dorms that were being rented it was never like true roughing it in the woods I think I could count on like one hand the amount of times I've legitimately stayed in a cabin for more than a night you know I mean yeah yeah that's just not I also don't really get the vibe of like people like the sleeping tents outside like it's just not my seat camping in general sucks but like camping in a cabin is I mean that's that's cool I think that's cool personally I'm gonna have to report back I was supposed to do it like a little father's day camp trip and I think that we're gonna I think that we're gonna I mean we're gonna tap like this my son is still a little like young we're gonna do like a backyard camping thing just to get the vibe but I think we're gonna do a tent like I think we're gonna give it a shot but we won't be roughing at the house we'll be right there just to bring a way to do it more for me than my son and then my dad in that order yeah yeah now I did go to so I did go to camp but it was not a summer camp it was a it was outdoor education so it was a week so I think it was four nights so five days four nights okay it was sixth grade they did it every every every sixth grade class would do it at my junior high and I was petrified because I'd never been away from home for that long and it was also in the spring time it was end of April so it was I remember being like very fucking cold like it was very rainy it was cold I remember there are two two specific things that feel like such arch-typal camp experiences I feel like they're so so unanimously true for American summer camps or American camping experiences like you know going to like a boy scout camp or a camp it literally has cabins you know we did a cookout and I ate you know like sliced potatoes in which she's on them in a in in tinfoil it's like that's all I ate that night because I was like I'm not eating chicken that someone is putting over a fire because I did not trust that and the other thing I remember is in the mess hall they did Salisbury steak now I didn't grow up with Salisbury steak and it was the most horrific thing I'd ever seen on my fucking plate in in my you know I guess I was what was that six grade 12 years old yeah and and I was just like this is Herocious atrocious and horrific but I think I remember saying something about how terrible Salisbury steak was when Brian was on and Brian said he loves Salisbury steak and they've grown up right well I don't know how this did you guys I don't know if this was a keep in mind I spent most of my life in Pennsylvania so I don't know what's a Pennsylvania thing and what was like a national thing Swan did you guys have the swan guy yes okay yeah so swan different than Schwann Schwann Schwann is the logo and he has a pretty confusing so my parents were big on the Schwann guy like getting a bunch of stuff from there and one of the things you know Schwann was mostly like shit that you could cook in the oven or microwave pretty frozen right frozen foods to keep on hand so my mom one time loaded up on like a bunch of Salisbury steak and like as far as like stuff that middle school to like ninth graders could easily and safely make like Salisbury steak was pretty high up there because it was just like a giant container of like eight of them that you would just rip the film off and put it in the microwave for 10 minutes and it'd be done so having two working parents at the time especially my dad who worked like crazy hours sometimes if my mom was stuck in a meeting or something she would just call and be like hey I'm not going to be able to cook or even really pick up anything you guys just throw in a tray of Salisbury steak I'll be home in like 10 minutes or whatever so it kind of just became a regular Kelly thing I remember loving it as a kid I have not had Salisbury steak in probably 15 years so the who knows I could try it and be like what was wrong with me as a child it's just it's like it's a hamburger and it looks disgusting it's the most awful thing and it's all brown like an artificial brown color like it's it's so it's so fucking nasty like oh I can't I have no I don't I only I have no I have nothing about Salisbury steak I've never tried it I think I've had it once at a school cafeteria but other than that I can't even place you know everything just runs in the same circle I don't know I don't know what's the same going in as it would be coming out either end and I think that's what really fucks me out you know yeah that's a big bummer that is all-factual you're not there's no lies detected in that sentence Scott but so we love the Kelly house yeah we got super super off topic whatever it gives a shit you know what happens if I have 13 so these two Salisbury steak it is Salisbury so these two counselors go off to get their fuck on and an unseen assailant catches them and then stabs the boy on the stomach and then we don't know what happens to the girl because they freeze frame her screaming face and then we get the Friday 13th logo coming through the broken glass which I love that Shana's cutting him was originally he was he and whoever wrote this were working on it and had a different working title and then in the conversation as they were you know working the plot he was like well you know why don't we why don't we do Friday 13 I don't think anything's been called by the 13th and so he just made the the the he had somebody make the imagery of that logo coming through glass and he sent it to papers and that was his like okay now we own the rest it well I think it was also well if someone sues us for that name then we know that we can't make this movie under that title yeah and somebody somebody did threaten to sue because there was another movie that was previously made I think there was in the six or something called right 13th and then it had like a subtitle but I think that somebody just got paid off and then that never went to court so there's that but in any case we fast forward you know we we we we move forward in time to present day which is 1980 and it is uh we see all these campers arriving at uh or I'm sorry these counselors arriving at Camp Crystal Lake because um some guy was crazy enough to decide to uh put it back together and was is now the this is the argument that I've always had about this movie is that I always thought that it was May 13th in now no just let me walk through this because I know the reality of it now but my argument here is and has been that May 13th makes the most sense because they say they have two weeks so this is happening literally everything we see in this is happening in uh in 1980 we're seeing it happening on the 12th well maybe the 11th and 12th it would make the most sense to me if they were setting up the camp because it says it's opening in two weeks I don't think that they would be opening up the camp the last week of June because I mean they literally only have a month and they only have six weeks of kids coming yeah usually they're gonna open the second week of June so then they have three weeks in June four weeks in July that's seven weeks right and then we have three weeks in August that's 10 weeks that's that's your summer break right so I don't know but I know that the argument is that his birthday is June 13th uh and so that would make sense to me and that's why it makes a lot of sense to have this be the 45th anniversary of this movie you know coming out um and also that it had to have occurred on the weekend of when this is coming out because I'm guessing we got full like full coverage here yeah we get we get the anniversary we get the date and we get arguably the month so I love that yeah that all checks out to me that all makes sense I can see wait I can see your argument from 8 13th but it's it's it's logic was not this deep when they were running the fucking set no no I mean that's why we still talk about this movie 45 years later yeah is that like you know it's uh and it's not that we don't have anything new to add it's just we're just gonna keep talking mostly personal anecdotes about summer camp that's all right you know so we get we get kind of the the crew that's trying to set this uh camp back up they got two weeks to finish it up and um another uh counselor is uh hitch in her way in and she is at um sit mount hope or whatever it's called um that the town outside of crystal lake and she meets the harpinger which I love the harpinger he's he's my favorite character in the movie yeah oh he's the best and he's probably top three harpangers you know like he's so good um so we get her um you know her second hitch is with this unseen assailant which it's not implied the first time you watch it that it's the same killer but I like the fact that when you watch it now after you've seen it one was like oh it's the same killer from the beginning um so she gets her throat slashed in the in the woods and then the sexual hijinks the kind of the premonition or like the you know they're kind of telegraphing all of their deaths which I think is pretty cool um one girl gets scared at the archery range by her like pseudo boyfriend um you know another girl literally Marcy she um I think that Marcy is probably of the counselor's my favorite because she is the one that really more than anybody else which is ironic she gets the most characterization she gets more than Alice like at least in my opinion yeah no we don't really I feel like we don't get Alice until the last half third do you think we don't even get like exposition of her character like there's this whole thing like she's like oh I'm not going to I'm not gonna stay and then the guy who's setting everything up is like just give me a week and then if you're because she's like I have to go back to California to figure out some she's in New Jersey I don't know why she needs to go back to California but I I've never understood like why Marcy gets all of this exposition of like she has this death combination and you sit and you listen to her tell that story to Kevin Bacon for like two minutes and then we get their sex scene and then we get a long chase scene for her always not chasing it's kind of like a just a suspense scene but with Alice we don't really get a whole lot of exposition we just see her running away from the killer who is obviously uh you find out after basically everyone else has been murdered that it's uh Mrs.
Workies uh she was the cook at the camp back in 58 the counselors were they were fucking they weren't paying attention to her son Jason who was hand-capped he drowned in the lake and so she decided that she had to kill everyone um I do really love this discussion that um Victor Miller is the guy that wrote the screenplay I think he worked with Cunningham on it but he um actually went on right on a soap operas which is very interesting to me because his discussion of the uh of the way that he wrote the story is such and I'm going to just this is from Wikipedia so this isn't my own words but Miller delighted in inventing a serial killer who turned out to be somebody's mother a murderer whose only motivation was her love for her child and he says I quote I took motherhood and turned it on its head and I think that was great fun Mrs. Voorhees was the mother I'd always wanted a mother who would have killed for her kids. Miller was unhappy with the filmmakers decision to make Jason Voorhees the killer in the sequels saying Jason was dead from the very beginning he was a victim not a villain. Compound that with Estelle Parsons was originally asked to play Pamela Voorhees and she declined now she was um in Bonnie and Clyde um but who they did get um I have I've completely her name um Betsy Palmer Betsy Palmer thank you now I have a really really interesting comment that she said she said um I use this stanis uh stanis slavski method of acting I always try to find details about my character with Pamela Mrs.
Way after the fact because she panned this movie real hard and she thought that it was slockey bullshit but then she came around when she saw that it was she was famous and not infamous for it but she said um with Pamela I began with a class ring that I remember reading in the script that she was wearing starting with that I traced Pamela back to my own high school days in the early 1940s so it's 1944 a very conservative time and Pamela had a steady boyfriend they have sex which is very bad of course and Pamela soon gets pregnant with Jason the father takes off and when Pamela tells her parents they disown her because having babies out of wedlock isn't something good girls do I think she took Jason and raised him the best she could but he turned out to be a very strange boy she took lots of odd jobs and one of these jobs was cooked at a summer camp then Jason drowns and her whole world collapses what were the counselors doing instead of watching Jason they're having sex which is the way that she got into trouble from that point on Pamela becomes psychotic and puritanical inner attitudes as she was determined to kill all the immoral camp counselors I think that that is such an like this is the first time watching the movie that I had that view of mrs. Worhees because like I think that a lot of people think it's kind of like it's she's lampooned because it's been 45 years and it's been done to death but onc like when you really think about it there's been a there was a significant amount of thought that went into that character and I love that yeah there's a there's a lot of um and I kind of always like I it really could have just been and this relates to what we said at the top two it could have just been a mom with no depth and luckily Betsy Palmer does bring something to it it's not just we needed to find an older actor and we got an older actor to pretend to be a mom and then that was that right it's like yeah that's I kind of appreciate the depth of what she goes to because she also does all that stuff translates you know whether we know it going into that it does translate as if this mother has a story and is not just you know or even with a young person in a wig just pretending to be a mom no she's she's honestly she's so great in this and I kind of wish that there was more for her character beyond this moment you know especially with what that backstory is and what that idea is yeah I think that it's really interesting because it's lore um and it's not you know given it's like um secondary lore which is cool it really enriches the story when you take it into consideration when you watch it but like watching it yeah it's not there I think it's so funny though that Betsy Palmer took this so seriously so she was a predominantly stage actor and stage actors when they're running lines and figuring out you know their steps and everything like that they actually hit each other and um I love this little this little comment while rehearsing Palmer slapped King when we played Alice in the face and Alice was crying she class on the floor and she said Sean she hit me and Betsy said well of course I hit her we were rehearsing the scene and Sean Cunningham goes over no no no no Betsy we don't hit people in movies we miss them which is so funny to me because like I can just imagine this old woman coming in and just like slapping this shit out of this 20 year old and being like yeah this is how we do it so we did it by my day lady yeah I did uh she impressed charges right no no no um the the really the thing I love about this is that if you Betsy Palmer did this movie because she was in need of a new car she read the script she says a piece of shit and then she was like oh I got a car out of it and it makes me think of um you know uh I've never seen Jaws or I've never seen the film but I've seen the house that it paid for yeah the Michael Kane quote about Jaws revenge Jaws is that the third one that's the fourth one Jaws revenge is part four but yeah I've never seen the movie by all accounts it's probably bad but I could see the house that I bought it's fabulous yeah that's that's his uh infamous quote about being in Jaws the revenge have you guys I'm mad I'm sure that you have actually heard what Gene Siskel wrote in his review about this movie no he called Sean S Conningham one of the most despicable creatures ever to infest the movie business and he also published the address for the chairman of the board of Gulf western the the production company which owned Paramount so as basically he went up the ladder he published the dude's actual address and Betsy Palmer's home city and told people that didn't like the movie to write to them and express their contempt for the film which like can you imagine dawking someone over the fucking movie Friday 13th which is just nuts yeah Roger Ebert and Gene Siskel actually go to school Siskel was a real fuck about this movie Siskel sucks they both just hate it hard you can find I think someone's uploaded most of the episodes of at the movies with Siskel and Ebert and they did like a whole like hour long episode just about how much are is ruining the cinematic experience which is such like a 1980s perspective point yeah like gosh it's so it's so like Tipper Gore conservative like just you know but I hate I really hate myself for when I disparage movies that just focus on the gore and because I'm like do I sound like these assholes from the 80s do I sound like I'm clutching my pearls I want to say that there has to be some sliding scale right where like I have a moral view on what like when you watch these movies they're not sexually degrading the women like well I let this movie okay let's just say this movie there is no sexual degradation of the female characters in this in this and the way they're murdered there are a lot of other ones that have that and I feel like that's an okay stand I'm like sure I will watch I will watch anybody get decapitated I will watch that woman in my bloody Valentine gets smushed up onto the the shower I will watch tons of eviscerations but like as soon as you add that sexual element to it that's where I draw the fucking line you know yeah and I don't feel like that makes me puritanical I think that just knows that there's like there's gotta be there's gotta be a line it can't just be extreme extreme extreme I would I would agree or at least I would say like my taste and my interest level is in agreement with that right like I think I'm sure and I'm sure it's happened plenty of times that somebody makes an argument for the thing that you know or the type of style of movie that you're describing that you don't dig on being a something uh overspew right like that's something that has some value I don't know but it's just like the way that I approach or the way that I want my horror story is told even if it is just like a slash and kill thing I don't I don't know I don't there's different reasons I suppose to watch anything yeah I guess it's like what you're bringing into the world and that's exactly what this is we're saying but maybe times are just different maybe the internet has jaded us all who knows yeah yeah I suppose that is a factor in all of this yeah I'm always 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com subscribe to geek Steve TV on twitch or youtube get notified when we're live internet supreme court dot com hey you know we're almost at that part of the show now because i have nothing else to say about this movie but we do have to talk about double features don't we we do have to talk about double features and sky do the one that picked us so how about you start us with a double feature so i've been talking a lot about how this movie is kind of like an archetype for slashers so why not go with a movie that we know and love that is very much this movie for the youtube generation dude bro party massacre three love to hear it you better add that to add a check to the times that i've had that as a double feature yeah you know it it's got check the check the letterbox list for most frequently picked special there are double features that'll be up there um i'm going to go with the one that i'm assuming scott thought i would pick which was the other camp slasher filled that i believe came out this same year uh 1980s the burning oh i was not expecting that i could have sworn well i'll go ahead and see what the hell fix but the burning was the burning was on my list but i i actually would really like to watch the 2009 friday 13th remake uh it's not that bad it's not that bad i believe we haven't done it like well i like it i like it as far as those sort of like platinum dunes remakes go yeah it's probably one of my favorite of the bunch and um and it kind of also just reflects what we've been talking about as being like it goes off the template and it goes off of like what this sort of boiled down idea of what friday 13th is and it does so in a pretty decent way like it's not uh it's it's maybe mindless and silly but it does so in the way that it's supposed to be for 2009 and it doesn't take any liberties or that many more liberties to do something different than what it is no i think that's all fair i can't believe neither of us any of you guys said sleepway camp i mean listen i was shut out of sleepway camp but i really was trying to think like what does this feel the most like to me like yeah and this does feel more like the burning like it falls in that same category for me ropsy um well as we know friday 13th beyond being a film franchise no one would be foolish enough to release albums or anything on friday 13 but scott i do see in here that you have something you want to promo yeah my bandicabod crane is releasing our fourth full-length album what day is that coming out it's coming out tomorrow as of the uh it's coming out on june 13th 2025 um it's called renaissance it'll be streaming everywhere you can go to hicobod crane metal dot bandcamp dot com slash merch and you can um by physical copies we have cds cassettes gold cassettes they look super sick and gold vinyl we also have shirts um and as of right now those are all the things we have but i may may print a little bit more i might do some some other things like stickers or um you know patches things like that but um yeah we have two singles out already um as of the recording of this but the full album will be streaming you can also listen to it on apple spotify um all that business um and it is if you like screaming then you will you'll like it and it's also every song is uh about monsters so i i think that you can't really go wrong with it and ironically my bass player is the one that suggested that we release it on friday 13th and i was like okay that's amazing i can't believe that i didn't think of that i wasn't looking at the calendar and he was and i was like weeks go by it and i see that our last show the last time we played live was june 13th 2014 so uh at the exact same place um at music out here in acron ohio so um if you are listening to this on thursday and you live in northeast in ohio come to the show tomorrow night otherwise listen to us anywhere you can listen to music all right this movie or this podcast episode is chock full of anniversaries oh i love it it's like it's not just the movie it goes beyond it's too many anniversaries all right well you know you can contact scott if you want something uh for this ickobot green album pick it up it's amazing now kyle you also had something you wanted to bring up this is a busy ass episode of our movie night uh it's so we got some information about our p.o box what's happening over there so while you can get ickobot green sent to you and your mailing address or p.o box yourself you can also send stuff to us i kind of i low key forgot that i had mentioned the p.o box on this episode then you know how this podcast show up and and um and i went and i picked up a package the other day and there was a package in there for uh for me but it was about horror movie night and it was from a listener uh evan johnston uh who sent us some artwork as well as their zine hallow zine ink uh so i have a couple copies of hallow zine ink from hooling uh which is um they had done this as a kickstarter a year ago and they're gonna plan on doing another round of hallow zine ink and it's a bunch of stuff it's like some poetry some illustrations uh really really cool some short stories really cool stuff uh comics in here um so i just i just wanted to give a shout out and say thank you evan for sending us some goodies but then i also wanted to reiterate because i wasn't expecting it and maybe this will happen another month or two down the road uh p.o box 666 in niantic canadicat 067 the p.o box is open and available and that goes it comes to me up in canadicat it also is the p.o box for the free blockbuster s.e.c.t so if you have donations for the free blockbuster that is also available but thank you evan for sending all these goodies he sent me some stickers to send me some metroid print which is really awesome uh so evan is an illustrator in his own right as well so uh really cool artwork from him uh and yeah if you guys uh if you want to correspond with us besides email if you like a snail mail situation p.o box 666 is the way to go all right well also on top of all of that hm and podcast is just your quick way to find us hmnpodcast.com see the entire length of our podcast history and buy some shirts go to hmn podcast dot dasherly dot com to buy even more merchandise hit up patreon dot com backslash hmn podcast to get bonus content and episodes early and find us on all of our socials at hmn podcast now scott what is something that you've watched listen to read that you want to talk about all right so i just have a quick one um i finally uh caved and rented uh patar noster and the mission of light have you guys heard of this no all right uh it was at uh it was at selenhorrfest which i'm going to talk about selenhorrfest but i did not see this at selenhorrfest so i'm intrigued to you what you want to say i mean it's it's doesn't so the the concealer film is this girl who is a a a vinyl obsessed collector so she collects vinyl it's her thing um it comes across a bunch of these patar noster and the mission of light vinyls that are supremely rare they're from the 70s from this commune that did music and psychedelics and they're all about outcoming and stuff like that and she and her friends are invited to come and you know meet patar noster who's like the kind of the cult leader um they do so and as you would expect they all get eviscerated in theirs it's it's low budget it's very um very predictable but fun uh and i enjoyed my watch i would recommend it i think that it's it's supposed to be trippy you know 60s cult exploitation and they think or early 70s i think that they really hit the mark with when they were doing a lot of that uh you know in the film and um it was fun and i you know i love finding a a an independent film that has some heart has a vision and knows it's limitations that's what i was you know it knew what it was going for and it didn't try to do something that it was going to not be able to reach really proud of them for that so did you watch it i i went to it on prime yeah nice nice it sounded it sounded awesome it was it was a 10 30 screening and i had an hour drive to where i was staying and that was not that was not gonna happen for me but i'm so glad that um that it was good and that Salem horror fest uh programmed it because it sounds really interesting it sounds totally up your alley it sounds like it's up our alley altogether yeah really really really like that um i uh i watched a movie at Salem Horror Fest called head like a hole and it's not out yeah but it will be come next year i talked to the director uh staphon about it and it is a really really low budget black and white film about a man who gets hired to watch a hole in the wall of a basement and the idea behind it's a little sort of like lynching and it's a little like Clive Barker E and this man watches this hole for he doesn't really question he needs a job he needs a gig it pays well it's consistent work and is it really that hard to watch a hole in the wall and measure it every hour to see if it's grown any no but could you imagine doing that for more than a week a month yeah you know a year so it follows that and it follows like you have a couple co-workers or people that he shifts with and there's like a head boss and it's it's nice to just sort of sit there and experience what a character's experiencing sometimes there's not a full like we need to get from this point in the story to this point in the story this point in the story we're just experiencing this dude's dealings with a hole in the wall so it's called head like a hole it's playing a few more festivals this year so if you frequent any of the horror fests or genre festivals you may see it out in the wild if not it will be out in early 2026 but I just wanted to give a shout out to head like a hole it played on the back end or after rather not on the back end but it played the film after our film So Fades the Light which I might talk about in actual week if you're not listening so um and I'm going to talk about something that just dropped on Netflix the week that we're recording this the it's a I don't want to call it stand up special I don't know how I would classify this but it is Kona N O'Brien the Kennedy Center Mark Twain prize for American humor it's the 90s it's a ceremony it's a ceremony it's a 90 minute ceremony for Kona O'Brien being awarded the barque twain prize for American humor and it just has different comedians and actors kind of coming up and talking about Kona O'Brien the big takeaway from it is that Kona O'Brien is genuinely apparently one of the nicest people you could ever meet and you get that vibe over and over again but the the thing that pertains the most to horror movie night is I have to say once again that there's a particular actor that we know and love who is so goddamn funny so I'll reveal that in a second um on the old Conan talk show if you watched Conan's old talk show he would do this bit where they would take still images of celebrities and superimpose a mouth from someone backstage over top of that character and they would talk and like the big ones for him was like Arnold Schwarzenegger and Bill Clinton um so they have them both doing a bit making fun of Conan and they are not particularly good impressions of either one of these people and then I don't even remember who the actor is but they bring up this actor who's been dead for like 30 years and Conan like he's gotten the Conan and he's like what is happening like he is like baffled by why they're doing this and this actor goes if I was still alive I would come there to show you a clip from my newest movie and then immediately for a split second that actor's face disappears and you see it's Paul Rudd and then it plays the Mac and me clip incredible and then it cuts back to Paul Rudd and he's like Conan thank you for letting me do this bit for all these years you know it's it's tiring coming up with creative ways to show you the same stupid clip but you know like I love cinema and he starts doing a parody of the Nicole Kidman theater ad where he's sitting in a movie theater talking about the importance of cinema and then he looks to the screen and they play the clip but this time you're watching the clip over Paul Rudd's shoulder as he keeps looking at the camera looking shocked confused and unsure of what might happen next to the scene like it's his first time scene clip it is one of the funniest moments that I've experienced in all of 2025 so like that clip that segment alone is so brilliantly paced but I don't know I needed a good funny 90 minutes that also is like there's some really important moments in there too Conan gives a really great speech about Mark Twain and why he's so beloved all these years later and like what Mark Twain stood for and there's definitely a very like fuck Donald Trump and what's happening with the Kennedy Center kind of attitude behind what he's saying I know he quotes the Mark Twain quote of like being a patriot is loving your country always and only loving your government when they earn it and it's like man what a fucking quote you know I mean like that's kind of there and I know that I had read an interview with Conan where he had said like once Trump had installed himself into being head of the Kennedy Center a lot of people were like dropping out and not doing stuff and he was like I felt like if I was gonna have any element of rebellion the most rebellious thing I could do was continue to accept that word and use that platform for 90 minutes to be disruptive and obnoxious and all of those things so it's really it's I'm glad that it's out there it was a fun watch I'll I might rewatch it again one day because it is feel good but I mean I don't know how many people rewatch like an award ceremony like I that's weird we're even for you buddy yeah but you know what's weird for everybody including me listening to our movie night and coming back week after 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