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Welcome to this spinoff episode of New Daily Zay Guys. Which we're calling the Iconograph for the Fright Conograph. Instead of looking at the Zay Guys through current event from Monday morning. We're looking at the Zay Guys through the powerful pop culture deities that are icons.
Or now that it's spooky season. Now that it's October the powerful pop cultural demons who are our Fright cons. Oh. And we're kicking our October Zay Ton Fright con season off with a character who I feel like is the main character of spooky season.
I feel like he's as close to Santa Claus as we got for Halloween. That's a character. Yeah. Yeah.
I feel like it's the first one you go to for Halloween. We're talking about the most depicted literary character in the history of film and TV. An allegory for the evils of capitalism that has gone on to make billions and billions of dollars. The original Batman.
Probably not our scariest icon of horror. But with apologies to the Wolf Man he's probably the horniest. I think he's always been the thing who discovered the fear bone is connected to our horny bone. Oh, yeah.
He's evolved over time from an uncanny Jerry Garcia looking old guy to a swab fuck boy rocking a cape slick back hair sloppy stakes sloppy because they've been stabbed through his heart. It's Dracula. My name is Count Jackulo Brian. I'm one of the founders of a crack and I want to suck your blood and I'm thrilled to be joined by my co-host.
He can hollow out a Reese's Cup leaving behind a hollow chocolate shell with two little puncture wounds. It's miles gray. Hey, I want to suck your blood. Nice.
That was a pretty good one. I'm anemic. Oh man. Yeah, this is I got to say I think when I was thinking about the how common this is I just let's introduce it guys.
But were you a regular ever for Halloween? Were you ever? I've been a regular recently. Oh, it's an easy one because like we had to go to a Halloween party with like fancy people one time, you know, it was like kind of like not the medians that you work with.
The Transylvanian royal family. Yeah, it's like these British people we know through a kid's school and they like it was like describing the these British people. Yeah, they have the last name. I thought it was a Halloween.
It was a it was a mini Bopidoo situation where I thought it was going to be full Halloween costumes and I like had like Dracula makeup, Dracula fangs, like blood coming out about now. I'm like everybody else was just like in a tuxedo with an arrow through their head or something like that. Yeah. Yeah.
And I was like in a Halloween store costume. Yeah, you still under so the assignment. Yeah. Anyways, in our third seat, brilliant comedian writer, actor, special daddy long legs, very spooky spider.
That's a dance spider. And also reference to his amazing legs. You must go watch a special right now. He's one of your favorite guests.
On the other hand, he is the coiner of the disgusting phrase plumbers to describe his own size. He's fine with garlic, but when he sees a crucifix or a lowercase T, he bursts into flames. It's black wax. Hey, this is Blake.
This is Blake. We're AKA. And it's great to be on a show with two other guys that you don't want to invite in your home. I can't.
You invited me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Well, you ran out of food. You should have had more food if you don't. That's funny. Like visiting you and I kept saying, yeah, we can stop by your place.
Like, no, no, we'll go to this bar. We'll go to this bar. Yeah. Bar is inches away from your home.
Yeah, but it's separate. So like I'm really close to your place and I just walk. No, no, no, we'll go to the bar. I don't want you in my home.
If I can make it. 45 minutes in the opposite direction. I think it's maybe the better way to go. Yeah.
Dracula always inviting people to his house though. He's like, yeah, come through. It's like ultimate Hollywood power move, you know? Yeah.
Even though people keep disappearing, he makes you come to him. That's true. I would have thought. I would have thought it's a graphic.
That Jack O'Brien considers to be a fancy person. You know, like that's what we're either, yeah, just English. Yeah, just in accent. Yeah.
We went to one of those people. That was state. I do just want to talk about the horniness of vampires. Yeah.
Our horniness for vampires, the horniness that emanates off of vampires. Like horses. In what way? Because it's just foaming.
How everyone, you know, it makes them all horny. Just horses make everybody horny, you know? Vampires, everybody horny. Oh, okay.
My therapist, notebook real quick. What is your first encounter real horse play? I feel like we'd only be talking about that. We kept going in that direction.
So we're just going to pretend that that's a thing. That everybody gets horny for horses. Yeah. That's a thing.
Never gets turned by a vampire because I creep them out. Oh, yeah. It's kind of like horny horses in here. What?
He starts doing the mind thing where he controls you into coming to his housing. You're already behind him. How'd you get here already? Hey, man.
Have you ever seen a horse without any clothes on? No. They're always, they get like a close on. What are you talking about?
Yeah. I know I said come over tonight. I'm having like a quiet one tonight. That's all we need.
No, no, no, no. Come on in. Bring whatever you want. I like quiet if you don't mind the sound of me beating.
But it's so the vampires got horny or in hornier. I knew that. But like I will say like I went back and watched the end of most for Rachu the 1920s like a silent film and that shit is horny as hell. Like the climax has he travels a lot via shadow like his shadow can like open doors.
That's the special effect they did is they used the shadow of his hand and then had somebody on the other side open the door. But at one point he does grab a boob and the woman like with his shadow hand and the woman reacts in like agony slash. I'm disappointed shadow doesn't even count. Yeah.
I will say like just I just this research allowed me to step back and see the vampire that defined like I feel like the past couple decades in with new eyes. 2004 a woman has a dream about a vampire who wants to fuck a teenage girl. She wakes up and even though she's not a writer she writes a novel based on that dream called Twilight and people were so horny for that movie. It made like that book that the resulting movies made three point three billion dollars launched the careers of two of the most important actors of their generation.
And then it like spawned an entire second fan fiction book like Fifty Shades of Grey is just Twilight fan fiction that was just like starting from the premise of what if they just fucked each other on every page essentially. Wait, is he a vampire? It's like a spiritual. Yeah, it's like they this is a thing that happened throughout the history of Dracula is that like they will do a rip off and then like erase the things that make it clear that it's rip off and it like still does well.
It's identical. Got you. Yeah, but yeah, they were just like, I guess he's not a vampire. That one still that movie franchise made one point three billion dollars.
Fifty Shades of Grey. So I just feel like we're so deeply horny for vampires that like I don't know it like the Twilight books just to put this in perspective. This book that like launched this massive movie franchise I'm going to read you a passage from that book. Aren't you hungry?
He asked distracted? I didn't feel like mentioning that my stomach was already full of butterflies. Jesus Christ. So that's the level of that's it's evident that she's not a writer throughout the novel and yet people are like, yeah, oh man, yeah, yeah.
Writing sorry. I'm not a writer. This is the best thing to do under the circumstances. The circumstances being I was so horny when I woke up from this dream.
I changed careers. Yeah. What was she doing before that? Was she just this was like she was young and just kind of had this vision came to her and she's like, I'm not sure what she was doing.
I just know like they people are like, she didn't have much experience writing. This dream was so profound that she f**ked out an entire novel. All right. I do just want to let Dracula is a lower queen.
So I just want to talk about like the things we know about Dracula. We've already talked about one need to be invited in. I feel like this one is among the most consistent, right? Every, every Dracula needs, you know, you need to actually ask them to come in.
Otherwise, otherwise they're it's pretty, pretty big, easy way to get around them. Right. Was that an original? That's that's that's that's like that's OG can in vampire stuff?
Is that like an add on? Because I know this story is morphed over years. Yeah, I think that one was added as we'll get to a bunch of these were like patchwork together. Right.
Vaguely Euro accent that is from the start vaguely Euro horniness that is also there from the start don't appear in mirrors. I'm not sure if that's in the original shadows that can freelance no for not to shadow can open doors in Francis for Copa's Dracula. His shadow just starts like doing its own thing in a Dracula dead and loving it Leslie Nielsen's shadow starts f**king someone while they're dancing. That's such a good title for a movie.
It's so lovely. Everything. Everything. Oh, fuck.
I'm going to watch that again. Sleep in coffin. I feel like that pretty core, right? I have to have incredible coursework the way that they rise up out of the car.
You know what I'm saying? They're just like they're feeding their feet. That's not just enough. Thank you.
Thank you. That's just all core dude. They're just working their core human body can't do that. You remember that clip of Adam Archuleta like being on his back just using his hamstrings to lift himself up?
Yes, I do. You know that clip. I've been doing exactly that's what I realized that my body will never work the way I want to. I saw someone do that.
I mean, that's wrong now. You become a vampire by being turned by other vampires. Sunlight kills or harms or makes sparkle in the case of Twilight. That one started with no sriratu.
I think. Need to drink blood to survive. They're immortal, but I feel like the immortality has the biggest asterisk of all time. Like there's so many ways to kill them.
Yeah. I feel like they're immortal except for heart disease. Yeah, exactly. I feel like they're immortal.
They can't dive cancer or old age. Like they're pretty vulnerable. Yeah. I feel like they have floating abilities of varying levels in my experience.
Right. Sometimes they'll float up to a window or just like kind of go down a hallway like they're on those shoes that have little wheels in it. Yes. Yeah.
Yeah. They're Kryptonite is Cross or Garlic or yeah, I think those are the main ones, right? Silver boulder is that just. No, that's where it is.
That's where it is. Fuck. Snake through the heart. You blame, you give love a bad name.
Oh, me summers. Sometimes it used to need to be wooden, but now I don't think it does. Yeah. It's the way I feel like the enemy, their enemy being werewolves is one that has just been become cannon that I'm not sure where that one came from.
That is not one that I grew up with. Almost the default where who else would it be? Like ghosts? No.
Right? Like what other evil beast? Yeah, it does kind of make the most sense and they are both kind of horny, you know? True.
Can talk to you through in your mind and get you to sleep walk. This is the one where it's like starting to verge on too many powers for me. Like when you hear kids playing and they're like, I have ice powers. And I'm also invincible and my arms are machine guns.
I can fly. Yeah, I can fly and it like starts getting boring. But I will say, I think the main core piece of iconography is the fangs. And this is something that I feel like we talked about a lot on early episodes of the Daily Zeit guys.
My fascination with this idea that their fangs are hollow. Yep. Which like, did you guys have that belief? Blake, did you have that that they're fascinated by it?
That their fangs can suck blood through the thing. Did you have that belief? Yeah. Wait, are you saying it?
Like, now that, okay, so this is one of those things that you think something and then someone starts talking like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, no, no, no, no, I didn't. So in my mind, they would suck it like a straw like they were straws. Yeah. But now for the first time I'm thinking maybe they just bite you and then suck you off through your neck.
Yeah, because of the wound. So that's, yes. Okay. So many people.
Yeah. I think it's because of the Reese's peanut butter cup commercial too, because I think when we first started talking about that, we were like, well, the way that the vampire bites the Reese's peanut butter cup would imply that he just put his bangs in to get all the peanut butter out. Yeah. The thing about it traveled up through his fangs.
That's when you made that joke. I was like, okay. Yeah. Like it's not a joke.
That's not a joke. That's a thing that a vampire did. Yeah. I was like, based on the Reese's commercial, that's what it has to be.
Although I don't think there's anything else to support. They have straw things. I was having this conversation with my friends this morning. With my son.
He's my best friend. And he was like, yeah, no, like that is the thing everyone thought when they were a child and now we all know it's not true. But I never went through that process until like we mentioned it on the show and I realized how dumb it is. Fuck.
But he was saying that even the Reese's one, you could theoretically have the vampire sucking through the two little puncture holes and sucking the peanut butter up. But I don't think that's going to that implies a level of structural integrity of the chocolate that just seems impossible to make sure. Sure. Sure.
So I think it's like we all see the two little puncture wounds on the vampire victim's neck and assume that it's just teeth go in and are like sipping blood through the puncture holes. I think it did leave me because I thought, well, like, what about like venomous snakes? Like they kind of had that, but it's really it's buzzed. That is exactly what was in my brain was that snakes have poison that comes out through the fact that there are hollow, hollow, fangty in nature, but it doesn't go that direction yet.
Never goes that direction. It's only like truly like mosquitoes. It's like certain bugs that have that whole abilities teeth. They have a.
They got a little per bus. Yeah. Yeah. Perbus.
They have a perbus. Yeah. Elephants, you know, they suck in things through their nose. That's how they eat.
I'm an idiot. He said, do they? Do they? They're through their nose and then spray that shit out.
So, okay. All right. I did. Yeah, they would eat.
They would eat. They would eat. Give them a couple water mums right there. I did find a there's a movie called Sun Down, the vampire in retreat where vampires from around the world have come together to form their own town in the US Southwest and agreed to no longer prey on humans.
As part of that deal, they're manufacturing a synthetic blood substitute, which we see them drinking at various points using for straws that their fangs plug into. That's a lot of the movie. That's a lot of the news. Campbell?
Yeah. I don't remember. I remember seeing that when I was a kid. So they, oh, interesting.
They give credence to something like that. They give something. He do have some. Yeah.
I also went and this is not something I'm proud of. I went and googled like, oh, yeah. Well, how do vampire bats? Yeah, I bet they threw up.
They suck your blood through hollow little straws in their teeth. And the way they do it is actually really gross. They shave your skin a little bit. So it starts bleeding and then they lap the blood up, which is so fucking gross.
And it has like a numbing agent, right? Yeah. And there's something you can't even notice it. You know that's a weird.
I don't know. I don't know. I know three things. I know animals.
Philadelphia sports. I have two things. I know animals. Philadelphia sports.
Philadelphia sports animals. Yeah. It's Philadelphia sports animals and safeties from there. It's because you have those animal fact notebooks from the 90s.
I've got so many animal facts, like net geo description. And also in my mind of empire, that would bite your neck. But I think they just go after your feet, your ankles. I think they used to.
I don't want that either. Yeah. Get them out. Yeah.
The idea of just not realizing that something is lapping the blood out of your... It's like, I don't think it's just animals. It's like a guy who's like, hey, Rick, you got a bat on your finger. You're a little bit too hard, dude.
Oh, God. I need to pay more attention. I need to pay more attention. She's just going to say more.
Still hasn't pushed the bat away. Yeah, it turns around like six on the back. It's a fucking mess. It's a fucking rip.
Let's take a quick break. We'll come back and we will get into the history of Dracula. Where this fucking crazy guy came from. We'll be right back.
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And we're back. Let's talk Bram Stoker because that's where we first get the name Dracula, the character Dracula. Bram Stoker. What are you saying?
Guys, holy shit. He wrote this book that was not that successful as we'll get to. And it's time. When he died, he was a well-known enough person to get obituaries.
Dracula was not mentioned in his obituaries. That's how not big a deal it was in his time. Oh, my. What was he known for?
What was it? He was a publisher and a literary manager and was friends with Oscar Wilde and just kind of friends with famous people and an assistant to an actor. When he wrote the book, the thing he was known for was being an assistant to an actor, which is not a thing anyone's known for these days. So I feel like it must have had some different connotation back then.
Probably just like people knew him because he had the coolest name of anybody ever. There goes that guy, Bram Stoker. The ball player? No, he sounds like a ball player.
Bram Stoker doesn't matter what's for you. He, at the time, also seemed to be a little ashamed of the book. He was like, I had a too generous helping of dressed crab before going to bed at night and that's some terrible dreams. With the poisoning?
Yeah. And then everybody, he said that and then all the scholars are like, it's a bit of blawny that he likes to dish out when asked. Nobody, don't take this seriously. People seem like to really hate that explanation, but I've had some fucked up dreams from after eating something weird.
Yeah, after dressed crab is hollowed at crab where they've taken the meat out and put it back in without all the annoying shit that's going to be pulled down. It's not where I'm pulled down, unfortunately. That's what I was looking for. I've had crazy cheese dreams and beef mares and stuff like that.
Beef mares? You've never had beef mares? You've never eaten beef mares? You've never eaten beef and then just had like a bucket of horse?
That's what I'm talking about. Oh God. Sexy horses. That's a beef mare right there.
That beef mare. Beef mare. Okay. No, I've never had a bucket of greens from bread.
I have not night mares, I have some wild dreams when they had spicy food. Usually if they had spicy food, they'd be like, those levels are spice completely destroyed as white guy brains. He's like, dude, I'm fucking spice dream. What's going on, dude?
I'm fine. I'll sweat it. It's dreams he's in a jungle. He's blowing fire in his face.
Tribal masks. Because he has the hot salsa from Chippewa. From the ground pepper. That's why I got to do that.
Simple nightmare. Shadow of beef mare though. I'm just going to say, you know, this seems to be another one of these characters that like made it to our world from the dream world. The dream world, Stephanie Meyer got Twilight from Dreams David Lynch got a lot of his ideas from the unconscious world.
Garfield, needless to say, I'm fucking some crazy LSD nightmares. But one thing that a lot of people believe is that the original Dracula was based on Vlad the Impaler. And that is not true. Yeah.
Blaken are like, yep. The bad. Actually bullshit. Yes.
Yes. Do that too. Same more. Same more.
But yeah, the people who first popularized the idea that Vlad the Impaler was the basis for Dracula, like wrote a book saying that and then like found his notes and we're like, oh, we were wrong about that. But everyone was just like, I don't know. I just found out about this Vlad the Impaler guy. That's a cool story.
So we just stuck with that. And that is kind of how the character comes together is just like an idea will be presented in, you know, either a play adaptation or in this case, like some work of literary criticism and people just like grab the stuff that works and remove the stuff that doesn't work. I will say Bram Snoker's Dracula, the Francis Worko Blomovee is like, none of it is really based on the original novel. It's got the Vlad the Impaler thing, which is not in the original novel.
It's also like based on this idea that Dracula is like trying to reincarnate his like dead wife, which is not in it would be like naming your movie Michael Creighton's Jurassic Park and it's like a Godzilla movie. It doesn't have anything really to do with it. I guess there's a big reptile lizard. That's kind of where it begins and ends.
One big bonus that I think Dracula has and had at that time is that he represents a lot of like disease stuff. Like at the time, there was a big cholera outbreak and people were being buried alive. And so that kind of came into it. People were being buried alive or fear of people coming back from the dead.
There was a theory that it came in via like Mi'azma like mists and Dracula is always like traveling on mists and so that's where like some of that shit comes from. But then he's able to adapt to whatever like the Francis Worko Blomovee is very bloody and like the blood's being all over the place and that's like happening during the height of the AIDS panic. So there's like whatever the scariest illnesses at the time, Dracula is usually able to kind of plug into that which I think is a powerful part of his appeal. Remember how that new Dracula he refused to wear a mask a couple years ago?
I guess. Your views were in a 95 on a plane. But the whole story was about like yeah, lockdown and how vampires would look at your lockdowns and go go go. When Dracula did his own research, he would kill Dracula.
He did his own research and died of COVID. That is one of the things they're actually not immune to. They want to take our freedoms. It's like is there any way you can get me packs, love it, please?
Let me into her email. For chantracular, like what happened to you? The 19th century version of the vampire myth also had evolved from a real blood disorder called Porphyria which causes extreme sensitivity to sunlight, receding gums which makes your teeth look like fangs and aversion to the sulfur content and garlic avoidance of mirrors due to looking like absolute shit and blood drinking or at least people thought they were drinking blood there. You're in a dark red and people assumed people with Porphyria were drinking blood.
Oh, it's like terrible kidney dysfunction or something. And then doctors being terrible at the time were like you should drink blood. That would actually help you out. Okay, so then the people who couldn't look in the mirror were afraid of garlic, didn't like garlic had like kind of messed up teeth, vampire esque teeth, we're peeing blood and we're drinking blood and everyone knew that about them.
Yeah, I think we've seen a character on our hands here. Yeah, I feel like just generally like disease is like having a monster that kind of represents disease is pretty load bearing because that is the thing that kills most people. And so it's like it's a pretty big one to have and like history is like life used to just be full of horrors and just like see people with like their faces caved in by syphilis walking down the street and or like Porphyria. And then like when if you got sick, like the people who had Porphyria, like hundreds of them were burned at the stake by the Catholic Church, just like they died for grossing for grossing out the Catholic Church essentially.
They're like young people. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Do you think mummies was like that whole concept is from the same thing where there was some sort of illness where you had to be wrapped in gauze or something? Mummy's I think came a lot from them discovered the British, you know, colonial power trying to say mother and just I think Egypt like seeing how Egypt preserved their dead and then like that spooked them out.
What we'll get to how Dracula when he initially came around was like killed by like in terms of sales was like got his ass beat by this like Egyptian based monster. Damn, damn Dracula. The other thing it was Dracula was kind of the original Blair Witch because the book was written as like this should actually happen. Here are a series of letters from people who this happened to actually know all those people and they like they had to take it back a step essentially because the publisher was like, this is actually too fucking scary bro.
Like the Jack the Ripper murders just happened. We can't we can't be having this book tell people that vampires are real. So they had to like take it take it a step back. I mean, that must have been like seeing video for people of that time when they're like, these are letters that are real.
Yeah, this is real. So he knows those people. Yeah, because he said that right right right. He said that and we don't have the cynicism built up from modernity yet.
So we're like, whoa, he said she's a woman of good character. How about that? Brim Stoker wouldn't lie about something like that. So yeah, the book drops and it's a moderate success.
It was outsold six to one by a book called The Beetle about a shape-shifting gender-swapping beetle monster seeking revenge on its former sex slave. And this like is based in like scarabs, I think are associated with Egypt and the original, it's like Paul Lessingham has been a vacationer in Egypt and the beetle in her woman form hypnotizes him and forces him to live as her sex slave and he like runs away and runs back to London and the beetle follows him. That was like the blockbuster at the time. Dracula was just like, yeah, I've heard of Dracula.
It's kind of a thing. Yeah, people are going to like, yeah, I want to see sexy xenophobia. Yeah, exactly. So what happens to guy left?
Oh, I guess it was a dude by one of those weird exotic ladies and those like ladies. Yeah. I mean, they all had their own message, right? Like that one was clearly some kind of like hypersexualized xenophobic, these sort of aligns sort of messaging.
There's a lot of hypersexualized xenophobia in the Dracula. Like a lot of people point to the fact that this is around the time that Jewish people are being run out of certain countries in Europe and like appearing in London. And so that this like Eastern European character who comes to London via ship is like probably not completely free of, you know, exploiting xenophobia and anti-Semitism at that time. And if you look at like people have also been like, no, it's the most anti-Semitic character design that you could possibly come up with.
But like the, I don't like the one of the writers was a Jewish guy. And so I don't know how intentional that was. I feel like when people are like, that's so anti-Semitic, it's like, what, like, that feels like you're being anti-Semitic by saying that that looks like a Jewish person. That's weird.
I don't think I was thinking that. I don't think anybody who is like, that's scarable. It's Jewish. It's like, no one was thinking about the scarab.
Yeah, there's a stand up who has a bit like that. He's a Jewish stand up and he's like, can we use Jewish people like stop being like, that's supposed to be me. Let's not do that anymore. We don't need to keep reinforcing it like that too.
But I get it. But I do think like this is the fangs are such a crucial thing. I think that's probably the thing that makes Dracula's one of the most common Halloween costumes is you just get some teeth in and you're doing some good tooth acting. It's such a subtle but powerful thing.
I think we all learned to subtly pay attention to people's teeth in some ways. To have teeth, it's very dramatic for somebody to open their mouth and have fanged teeth. As we'll see, it starts, Dracula becomes more and more popular in plays and movies. But also you can't do a good version of the beetle, the sexy woman who turns into a giant beetle.
That's a tough one. I think it's a different jack. You have no imagination. It's your problem.
It's beetle hips. They don't lie. They don't lie. But that's a tough one to pull up where you get a good set of fangs and you're like, yeah, just flick that hair back.
Yeah, there's just like, I think there's also like the lonerism is kind of cool about that makes Dracula kind of cool too. Kind of a bad boy. Well, because it also like it appeals to people's sense of like individualism because like this guy's all along. Like he's out there fucking, you know, just being the coolest guy that never dies.
I think it's also something that makes it feel kind of like, how can you not be a main character if you're immortal? Right. Yeah. But it also hangs out at night.
You know, it's like, it's way cooler than like, yeah, he gets a sensible lunch. He's like, yeah, in most movies, he's not like, he's not going after like, he's going after pretty attractive people. You're like, I don't know, dude. Like he's got good taste in his victims.
He seems like a chill guy. Yeah, why not? Yeah. One thing that I, so no for Ratu was like, just a straight up Dracula rip off, they tried to get the rights to Dracula and Bram Stoker's widow.
He had died from people think Siflith. They tried to get the rights and she was like, no, you can't have them. So they just like made the movie anyway and like changed the title slightly, but everything else is exactly the same. A judge was like, no, you like stole that.
We have to destroy every copy of the movie. Like a court run by children. Like you have to break every single one. And like the only reason we have no sorority, which is like respected as like one of the best silent films and like, you know, depictions of vampire of all time, like one of the most iconic movies of all time.
It's only like it just happened, like somebody happened to find one like hiding away somewhere. They were like trying to destroy it. But yeah, it's like a patchwork of adaptations. Like, so no sorority gave us the sunlight thing.
That wasn't in any of the previous stuff. And then they were like, how do we end this? I see we'll open a window and because he's like shadow guys, that'll make him die quickly. Um, and then they take, they take Dracula to the stage and the stage, they need to like simplify it a little bit more.
And up to this point, Dracula has usually looked like shit and Bram Stoker's Dracula. He had, I'm just going to read the description. In the original novel, Dracula is described as unkempt with bushy eyebrows, a giant stash. Um, and hair on the palms of his hands.
No, this is Jack and off, Jack and off in that, uh, grape grape. That's like, what are you doing in there? It's like the words right out of my mouth. Hey, what are you doing?
Oh, he's jacking off in that coffin. I'm always even doing that. Uh, here's a question. Why did Dracula come about before the concept of vampires or was he the first vampire?
Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Now they were like vampires before, but this is like the first iconic one.
Headliner. Yeah. Right. Yeah.
Exactly. They're vampire short stories. Also, like they're generally Irish. So like the whole center saying about vampires being Irish, like Brumsnoker's Irish, uh, the person he ripped it off from was Irish.
So shout out to the Irish for being fucking vampires, I guess. Hell yeah. Also a weird thing from the original Dracula. When Dracula is introduced, he immediately asks the Jonathan Harker, the character who's like visiting his castle if he needs to take a shit.
Says you will need after your journey to refresh yourself by making your toilet. I trust you will find all you wish when you're ready. Come into the other room where you will find your supper prepared. Uh, the light and the warmth of the counts.
Curtis welcome seemed to have dissipated all my doubts and fears. Having then reached my normal state, I discovered that I was half famished with hunger. So making a hasty toilet, I went into the room. They're like, so people are going to want to know what the shit situation is after this guy being on a long journey.
What the fuck did you do with that? You ruined my life. Oh, my guy, please. You've occurred to see flush.
I just do a nice thing. Make your toilet. I love that old timey way of saying taking a dump. It's like, like, make your toilet.
Make your toilet. I will. Thank you. You're right.
But so when they put him on the stage, they're like, we need to do something that looks a little cooler than like bushy eyebrow guy or, you know, no spheratu. And so this is when we first get a tux and a cape and it's actually like the actor just like brought his own costume from home. So this guy just like brought shit from his house that now everybody dresses as for all, like the costume that people dress as is like based on what the actor had in his house. That's amazing.
She's like, yeah, I don't know if you've got your own wardrobe. Yeah. And the tape was added to the stage version because it enabled the actor to like perform disappearing tricks in front of an audience. Nice.
Nice. Yeah. So it's such a great touch because we all love a fucking cape. Oh, yeah.
You know what I mean? I think it's funny that there's so many of these things that are just essential to Dracula that either appeal to your child brain or like your adult fear of death. Yeah. And just like there's something for everybody.
Because I remember when I was Dracula, I got like, I was fucking around with the tape so much like trying to do shit with it that I remember very vividly my mom being like, I will take the cape off if like you can't just kind of sit still. And I was like, OK, we'll take that. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. But it's so fun to just like sweep it over your face and yeah, it allows you to have like a little bit of that. It's called baby. It gives you a little business, you know, gives you a little business to do on stage or on Halloween.
But yeah, I do think so this is like I have been really interested in this question of like because Dracula, the most depicted literary character of all time is Dracula. The second most depicted is Sherlock and they came out like when we were doing research or the Sherlock episode, like at one point, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle is like, yeah, and then I got this letter from this guy who had just published a novel, Brown Snoker, like they were like in the same literary circle. So I was like, why did this literary circle produce these two characters? And in both cases, it's like this patchwork thing like coming from that point in history just allowed them to then like hit America as like movies are becoming a thing and as stage productions are, you know, in a certain stage where it's just like ping pong back and forth between all these different versions.
And each different version is like taking another crack at it and being like, what if we give him a pipe and a deer stalker and they're like, no, that doesn't work for Dracula. Maybe try it for Sherlock Holmes, but you know, they're like adding it's like having a writer's room for both of these characters and the stuff that works just sticks, you know, and the stuff that doesn't just like goes away and nobody really remembers that shit at all. So I feel like that's, you know, why like the mystery of like how did this one literary scene create these two characters that are still resonating with people over a hundred years later is just like, it's actually the process that happened afterwards that they were then like went into this watching machine of, you know, writing and rewriting and designing and redesigning until you created like the platonic ideal of a detective or of a vampire, you know, right? I do think Dracula could use a Watson, you know, like an assistant.
Like I feel like he could benefit from a little. I mean, they have familiars, right? Like that's right. Yes.
When he's bringing the guy in and ask him to go take a shit and then come eat with him. I think he's a matter of these kind of auditioning him to be his familiar. That's a big thing. And what we do in the shadows too is that like they always need basically an assistant, which is funny because that's what Brom Stoker was, was an actor's assistant.
Yeah. And so he knows about hangers on, doesn't he? Yeah. Yeah.
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All right, a couple of other things I feel like Dracula had going for him at the start and continues to have going for him. One interesting point is that this was at a time when Darwin was first becoming popular and his observations were becoming popular. And the idea of this human that can take animal form, which obviously is not the most popular version of grown up vampires. They don't poof and turn into bats quite as much anymore.
But also the fangs are an animalistic feature that comes out of the vampires. People think that there was probably some aspect of the vampires. That was people's anxiety about finding out that we're animals. You know, we came from the animal kingdom.
Right. That's what I hate to bring up young twice in a week. But there's also like the shot. There's so much mention of shadow stuff too that I'm like, this feels very like the shadow cell for also the appeal of like a vampire to like our own innate darkness.
That they're like, man, if I wasn't bound by society's rules, like would I do whatever to like keep living or whatever? It's just very just some thoughts. I think it's about being shadow over and over again. I was like, is this like our shadow self too that we're kind of reckoning with in these characters or appealing it?
What we do in the shadows could be like the name of a very dark book about human behavior. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
The funniest show of all time about the Joe Rogan experience. Yeah. But yeah, I mean throughout, it's like there's racism tied in there. There's like anti-immigrant hysteria.