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Jun 5, 2026 1 hr 46 min

From open source hits to OpenAI (Changelog Interviews #682)

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This week I'm talking with Max Stoiber, currently working on ChatGPT's plugin directory and app platform at OpenAI. We discuss the hundreds of open source projects nobody remembers alongside the big ones like react-boilerplate and styled-components, how Spectrum became part of GitHub and eventually helped shape GitHub Discussions, the founder growth that came from building Stellate, the GraphQL cache that turned into a dual acquisition by Shopify and The Guild, and why ChatGPT apps feel like a new surface for software.

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From open source hits to OpenAI (Changelog Interviews #682)

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  1. 0:00 This week on The Changelog
  2. 0:52 Sponsor: Coder.com
  3. 4:09 Start the show!
  4. 5:48 Max's drive to make things to solve his own problems
  5. 8:14 Why for free instead of charging?
  6. 10:14 Does it still make sense to share work for free in the current world?
  7. 14:28 Even if the value isn't in writing code, it's still worth it to share things with the world
  8. 14:45 Building things is still hard work
  9. 18:36 The history of Spectrum and Spec.fm
  10. 23:09 Sponsor: WorkOS
  11. 26:12 How Max joined the Spectrum team
  12. 31:04 Joining GitHub and the origins of GitHub Discussions
  13. 33:05 Any regrets about the outcome of Spectrum and Github Discussions?
  14. 36:33 Exploring the idea of buying Spectrum back
  15. 38:45 Reflecting on the time spent working at GitHub
  16. 40:08 What Max worked on after GitHub
  17. 44:35 The challenges of building a good team
  18. 49:38 Learning how to provide good critical feedback
  19. 50:05 Using the COINS framework for feedback
  20. 53:53 The benefits of providing better feedback
  21. 56:00 Building Stellate
  22. 1:03:20 Sponsor: Notion
  23. 1:05:03 Why Stellate's caching worked so well: Partial Query Caching deep dive
  24. 1:07:37 Is GraphQL still popular?
  25. 1:09:16 The danger of building a good product for a undersized market
  26. 1:13:27 Managing a dual aquisition for Stellate
  27. 1:19:54 Moving from Stellate to Shopify and discovering the right role
  28. 1:23:05 Why Max chose to work on Shopify's Liquid Storefronts
  29. 1:26:34 Why Max decided to join OpenAI
  30. 1:29:32 What Max is working on at OpenAI
  31. 1:33:47 MCP Apps deep dive (MCP server for UI)
  32. 1:37:32 Are MCP Apps a potential replacement for building a website?
  33. 1:42:45 Max's closing thoughts
  34. 1:45:13 Closing thoughts and stuff

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