Front Forty Farm

Today I'm talking with Mary at Front Forty Farm. https://www.homesteadliving.com/subscribe/ref/41/ https://homesteadliving.com/the-old-fashioned-on-purpose-planner/ref/41/ www.patreon.com/atinyhomestead If you'd like to support me in growing this podcast, like, share, subscribe or leave a comment. Or just buy me a coffee  https://buymeacoffee.com/lewismaryes 00:00 listening to A Tiny Homestead, the podcast comprised entirely of conversations with homesteaders, cottage food producers, and crafters. I'm your host, Mary Lewis. Today I'm talking to a fellow Mary at Front Forty Farm in Missouri. Good morning, Mary. How are you? I'm good. How are you? I'm good. I don't talk to Mary's very often. I always think it's a very common name. Yes. think you're the second Mary I've talked to in over two and a half years on this podcast. Oh, really? I've always thought it's like a very boring square name. 00:30 Yeah, I honestly, I was nicknamed Lynn when I was a couple weeks old because I'm named after both my grandmother's Mary Evelyn.  And my parents had a disagreement about which name should have come first. So they decided to nickname me Lynn.  And when I went to kindergarten, they did the roll call  and they were asked, you know, they were calling my given name. 00:57 And I didn't know my name was Mary. I thought my name was Lynn. Oh, wow. And the teacher called my mom and she said, there's a girl in our class  and we don't know who she is. We think she's Mary. And my mom was like, uh okay, this is really weird.  And my mom's okay, describe the girl. And they described what I've been, what I was wearing and my hair color and that I was this tall, whatever.  And my mom said, well, yeah, that's Mary.  And 01:26 They said she doesn't respond to Mary. And my mom laughed and she said,  of course she doesn't because she's never been called Mary. She's been called Lynn.  So there was a very big mix up the first day of kindergarten. then in high school, I switched back to Mary because I was like, it's my real name. I should use it.  my close friends for a long time would call me Lynn, but no one except my husband calls me Lynn now. 01:55 Oh really? Interesting. Yeah, so names are crazy. Yeah. Okay, so the reason that I asked you to be on the podcast is because of your farm name Front 40. I'm assuming that is the opposite of Back 40. Exactly. My husband came up with it because he's like, well, you know, people are always saying out to the Back 40 or, know, whatever. And in the assessment plot, we are the front 02:24 east 40 of the whole section. so there you go. Well, 47 actually, but yeah. Well, it got my attention. So I'm glad you called it front 40 arm. And it's three F's in a row. So that's cool too. So when did you, when did you start the farm? We moved out here in November of 22. 02:51 Okay. And were you city folk or do you have? Oh yeah.  Um, yeah, we got married in October. He's a widower and I've been divorced for a very long time and we got married in October, bought the house in November and we lived in Independence, Missouri, which is, um, a suburb of Kansas city and the urban sprawl and all the crime and everything. So it wasn't a great place  and we wanted to be more self-sufficient. Yeah. 03:21 I think COVID woke a lot of people up  and yeah,  so we did it. He sold his house, I sold my house  and me came out here. Did you guys have any farming or homesteading background before that? Not really. He was raised on more of like a farm.  They  had a milk cow and they butchered rabbits and things like that. And I grew up on Lake Michigan. uh 03:50 So no, not really. had my first husband had to farm horses and  a few cattle. So I do a little bit  from that.  And we just kind of wing it.  We do a lot of praying for wisdom. Well, that's good because even when you've  been brought up in a homesteading or farming family,  you can't know everything. Rice can't.  So it's good that it's a learning process all the way through.  Yes. So you guys have highland cattle, you have sheep. 04:20 You have chickens? They're angora goats.  Sorry, angora goats. They look like sheep. Oops. do.  You have chickens? Chickens and guineas and one turkey at the moment.  And am I missing an animal?  Dogs, cats, bees.  Bees, okay. Cool.  I think that's it.  Okay. I want to talk about the angora goats and your 04:46 Your minis, but I said I wasn't going to ask about this, but I am going to ask about this because I'm a sucker.  Your dog,  dogs, both dogs?  have four altogether. Are two of the dogs the Wolfhound Australian Shepherd Crosses? Yes, they're a brother and sister. Okay. We were breeding Aussies and it was too  questionable how they would turn out, whether they would kill our 05:14 chickens and we had two goats killed and  then we were like, okay, we're done with Aussies. They sold well, but it's like, yeah, we're not taking that chance anymore. we had one, it's hard to find a group of dogs that work well together, get along  and don't try to like chase the cattle or kill the chickens. And we had one. 05:40 We had two Aussies and the one got hit by a car which only left one. So then I found on Frexlist the  Australian Shepherd slash Wolfhound cross, drove four hours over into Kansas  and got the female.  She's gray and white with blue eyes. And a week later went back and got her brother. Okay. The thing that I didn't ask you before we started recording about this  is was the cross 06:09 an oopsie for the people that had them or did they breed them on purpose that way?  was an oops. Okay. That's probably why I've never heard of it before. Because I was like, that seems like a really interesting cross. Yeah, they're great dogs.  Yeah. They're big.  Like their head is twice the size of our Aussie just about. And the thing is, I have no idea what wolfhounds are like because I've never met one. 06:36 I've seen pictures, but I've never actually been in contact with one. Are they, are they lovey?  they really good temperament? Oh yeah. They're  very lovable and have a great temperament. They're sight hunters  and you know, originally bred to fight wolves.  And so  we do have coyotes around, although we haven't really had any issues with them coming on our property,  but we thought it would be helpful to have  the great big dogs for that reason.  And, um, 07:07 So yeah, they're pretty mellow, really. They're protective. We've had the female is more aggressive towards strangers than the male is. And so we have to be a little careful about that.  Yeah. And the other question I have is, this breed that you find yourself with,  are they as people focused as Aussies usually are? Because our Aussie is like,  she can't lay down without touching one of us. 07:34 Yeah, they're not quite that bad.  If we do have an Aussie that's like that also, he's very needy.  but they are very,  um, yeah, people focused, I guess is the right phrase to use. They're happiest when they're with somebody. So if we're working out in the yard, they want to be where we are. If we're working in the barn, they want to be where we are. Yeah. Um, my husband was out cutting down ash trees yesterday in our tree line. Cause we got the emerald  ash borer bug. 08:04 Oh, He cut down, I think, nine trees yesterday. Wow. And Maggie was outside and she was laying in the grass at the far end, as far as her lead could reach, laying in the grass, flat with her head on her front paws, just looking where he was. Like, I wish I could be over there with you. Right. Yeah. It's it's amazing to me how how much she wants to be with her 08:34 people, her people. So and they all take a person like our female  Wolf on Ossie. My husband is her person. The male,  I'm his person.  Maggie's persons are whoever is home.  I have I've spent the majority of the time with her because I'm not I don't have an outside the house job. Oh, okay. 08:59 So she doesn't listen to me as well as she listens to my husband because he's not here all the time. Right. It's typical kid behavior.  I think of her as like a three year old  kid. Right. And she's actually going to be six in August. So. But I said I wasn't going to bring this up because I would talk about Maggie the whole half an hour. I am not going to do that.  So tell me about the Angora goats first, please. Well, we were working on Fence Line. 09:29 And we have a ton of poison ivy. And I was like, all right. And I am I'm horribly allergic to it.  And the cows eat some of it, but, you know, not all of it because they're fenced in and they can't get their heads through to to get the stuff. And I was like, all right, we got to do something about it. And we didn't want to spray with chemicals because of um floating in the air and getting the bees or we just try to be as chemical free on the farm as possible, no matter what animal we're talking about, including ourselves. 09:58 Amen.  And uh they're like, OK, we can get sheep or goats, but they have to have a purpose besides just eating the poison ivy. And so we first got some Nubians that were given to us  and uh some Nigerian dwarves. And they were constantly getting their heads stuck in the fence, constantly getting their heads stuck, getting on stuff. And we were like, 10:28 This is not,  these are not the goats for us.  So we sold those and then we're like, we saw a picture of Angora  and I've always been interested in learning to spin and weave and all of that kind of stuff. And so it's like, all right, well, let's, let's try Angora's. So we got them. I think we're down, we're down to five now. We were up to like 13 and we sold several this year. Um, and they're just very mellow. 10:58 They're not like Nubians or Nigerian dwarfs. They don't get their head stuck. They're more like sheep. Their temperament and everything is more like a sheep. Yeah. And apparently they look like sheep because that's what I thought they were when I saw them on your Facebook page.  But you can milk them. We don't do that. I  did some milking of a Nigerian  before we sold them because the 11:25 kid was only nursing on one side and we didn't want the other side to get infected. And I'm like, this is for the birds, milking these little tiny teeth. Not your jam, huh? No, no. I'd have to get like a milker or something. My hands aren't that strong after having carpal tunnel surgery on both of them. They're just not that strong to do that kind of stuff. So, so yeah, we shear them twice a year and we have yet to do anything with the, with the hair, with the fiber. So. 11:55 oh Eventually, when we have time. When I have time, I guess I should say.  We'll get around to that. Do  you know if there's any market that you could sell it? There is around. It's like a niche market. There's actually a goat expo going on at the  state fairgrounds in Sedalia this week.  There's a whole bunch of fiber people that are going to be there. 12:22 And we're hoping to get there. We're on vacation this week to get a whole bunch of projects done around the farm. And we're hoping to make it there one day to em kind of network with people. Yeah.  And so  there is a market for it, depending on if you sell it as is,  or if you're going to clean it  and  sending it off to get cleaned is very expensive. So that would be more cost effective to learn how to do it myself, but I have a full time job. 12:51 And so does my husband. And so some of those  projects are kind of, they're gonna be down the road.  Well, at least you're learning a lot about it right now. Yes. Yep. Okay. And then you have Highland Cattle? Yes. Like a lot or a couple?  No, we only have, I think there's  13 or 14 out there. em And two that are cross. 13:20 that we're going to  three calves, we're going to pick up two more calves this weekend to bring in some more bloodlines,  heifer calves. Nice.  I don't want you to answer me exactly, but I'm assuming those heifer calves were not inexpensive. No,  no.  No. Because no calf is inexpensive right now in 2026.  Especially Highlands. 13:50 And so it's like, all right, some other projects we were wanting to get done are on the back burner now till probably next year because we're buying those two. And then, um, my husband's son who had purchased a couple of cows, cause he wanted to get into the raising his own beef. Um, but I don't think he realized Highlands grow slower than other cattle breeds. So you have to wait longer to butcher them. So you return it's not as quick. And so we're buying his cows also. 14:20 from him. So do you, do you not breed your Highlands? No, we do. We have a really great bull.  Um, but we only have, we have different registrations like the ACA registration, American Highland Cattle Association  registration is cream of the crop.  And we only had two of those cows to breed to, to make that herd bigger.  Uh, which the two calves we're getting this weekend are the ACA. 14:50 And then we have the  HHCA registration, is Heartland Highland Cattle Association registration. And we've got two of those cows. And then we have their calves. And then we sold a couple of um calves this spring, heifer calves. And we have a couple bull calves, but they're like a dime a dozen and they're hard to move right now. Yeah. 15:17 So our Aca bowl is great. We have people bring their cows here  so he can breed them. Well, that's handy. Yeah.  Good job, buddy. Keep doing your job. Yeah, he's great. So I'm assuming that that brings in a little bit of income. A little bit. I mean, we don't charge a whole lot, but selling them definitely does. Yeah. Yeah. But we don't we don't gouge people. 15:46 I mean, there's people out there that ask, you know, six, seven, $8,000 for an unregistered heifer, which I think is absurd. So we don't do that to people. That's some expensive milk. Yes. And you can milk Hyland's. We just don't. We are not that hands on with ours. Like we don't halter break them and we don't brush them. And we've had, we do have one that she's I think two and a half now. 16:16 And my husband, there's videos on our Facebook page of him rubbing her down and giving her attention. And, but it got to the point where she didn't fear him. And so when he was done rubbing, she would horn him like, I want more.  And we were like, yeah, that's, yeah, that's not okay. And so we don't want that  much hands on to where they're too comfortable with us.  makes sense. 16:46 Yeah. I mean, it's fine when they're calves, but once they're older and their horns grow, then it's a problem.  Yeah. Do you guys have kids?  You have a son  or he has a son. They're all grown and gone.  Yeah. So you're on daughter that still lives at home, but all the rest of them are grown and gone. So you're almost empty nesters. Yes.  Yeah, we are. And I was very afraid of it for a long time because I felt like I didn't know what I would do. 17:17 once the kids were out. And honestly, I did my job and I did it right. And now my job is to figure out what I am doing. Right. What do you want to do now? Yeah, I want a podcast. I'm doing it. I it. you go. uh It's It's really fun. I feel like I feel like I'm doing it for me because I'm so curious about everything. 17:43 But I've had so many people say to me, don't stop doing the podcast because we're learning so much from it. Oh, that's great. And I'm like, okay, well, I'm not going to stop it. We're good. Good. Good to hear. Yeah, it's been great. And I say this to everybody, whether I say it on the recording or not,  I appreciate everyone who takes the time to talk with me. Well, I'm flattered for the invite. yeah.  Good. Because 18:12 I just, don't want people to think that I don't have any appreciation for the fact that you guys take time out of your busy lives to spend half an hour with me.  Oh no. Yeah. I'm honored to do it actually. Yeah.  Good. All right. So,  um, we talk about chickens a lot on this podcast. So I'm just going to say,  do you have chickens for eggs or do you  use them for meat? Do you use them for both? And do you sell the eggs? Both. 18:41 All of the above. em Yes, we butchered our first batch of chickens last year  and we got the heritage  breeds to butcher instead of the crosses that grow faster.  And I don't think we would do that again just because  first of all, you have to wait like  16 weeks or whatever it was em for them to be  big enough to butcher. 19:09 and move them around and fresh grass and everything. That was a pain in the butt for that long. I'd rather just do the eight weeks and be done with it.  Plus they didn't have nearly the amount of meat on them that the hybrids that you see in the store have. So that was a learning experience doing that. Our neighbors helped us because they used to do  butchering like hundreds and hundreds of chickens every year. And so they were gracious enough to help us and teach us how to do it. 19:38 And so that was a good learning experience. And then yes, we do  sell eggs. I don't really market it much just to people we know or,  you know, whatever. Yeah, we have 14 chickens and we have a dozen eggs a day consistently. So we sell a dozen eggs when we have them in our farm stand right now. I think there's four dozen out there because we don't go through, we don't go through eggs fast in our house. Right. 20:08 I really would love to sink the money into another 50 chickens because I know the eggs would sell. But egg prices are coming down at the store and we sell our eggs for $5 a dozen. I'm like, I don't know if it's smart. Not everybody wants to do that. Keith takes them to work and sells them to all of his guys at work. we have like, I think we're down to 42 chickens because the dogs have killed some. 20:36 But we've got some baby chicks coming up. So we get,  when we can find them all, because ours free range,  we get about two and a half dozen a day, I think, something like that. And we charge $350. 20:51 Nice. I am very much looking into buying an incubator because we buy an incubator when it's on sale, you know, like 12 egg incubator. And then we find someone who laying eggs, hatching eggs for sale. It would be way cheaper than buying already laying hens. Right. So I'm doing the research on that now. Yeah, that's a good idea. And that way if we do one. 21:19 chickens we have a way to get them at like you know a buck and a half a chick instead of six dollars a chick or whatever they're selling right now. yeah definitely good idea. I was told by someone a couple weeks ago that the chickens the baby chicks  at  Tractor Supply you know chick days.  Some of them were up to ten dollars a chick and I was like that is bullshit that is not okay. 21:46 That must be some of the fancier breeds, like maybe that lay the colorful eggs, I'm guessing. I don't know, but I am not. I can't imagine a circumstance where I would spend $10 for a three-day-old chick. Yeah, that is... I'm guessing it's a fancy breed. Yep. And I can remember, and I think it was more than a couple years ago, somebody pointed out that I was probably underestimating how long ago it was. 22:14 But I can remember at least 10 years ago, you're going to tractor supply and they'd have chicks for like a buck and a half piece.  Oh yeah. They do that towards the end when they just want to get rid of them. Cause I bought a bunch at our local, it's not a tractor supply, it's bomb guards, but  they had them for a dollar each just to get rid of them. Yeah. And if I could get, you know, 50 of those at a buck a piece, I'd probably do it. Yeah. And you can, a lot of the, um, hatcheries, if you're wanting to get, um, 22:44 Butcher chickens, they'll do that for like a dollar each or a dollar 50 each. I'll have to look into it. But I still think an incubator situation would be really fun because we've never done that before. there's an interest learning curve fun factor to getting an incubator. Oh, yeah, there definitely is. I did not want baby chicks this year. I wanted the hens to do it all. And so we had five hens. 23:12 setting in this  nesting box my husband made that had like six slots in it.  And they were doing so great, stayed on there. The first hen, the baby chick hatched. She decides to get off. I guess motherhood was not for her. So I found the baby chick. It was cold by the time I got home from work, stuck him under a light and then put all the eggs in the incubator and hatched, hatched all those out. 23:42 And then a week later, another hen does the exact same thing.  And it's like, oh, you chickens. It's so bizarre to me that these chickens get broody. And they get broody when you don't want them to. They don't get broody when you do want them to.  And then they're either the best moms ever. And you can put even other chickens, babies in there with them. Right.  They're right on it. 24:11 Or they're like the one you're talking about and they're like, eh, this is more work than I thought it was going to be. Yeah. Yeah. We've had a couple that have been really broody in the barn and we keep taking their eggs out from under them and they've been there for weeks and they're laying together really, really close. And then I've had other ones that are broody and to the point where they must not be getting off and eating because their combs start getting really pale and they just start. 24:41 looking bad. so I'll take them and I'll throw them outside, you know, to get them as far away from the nest as I can. So that maybe they forget about it for a minute and do some foraging and then they'll start looking healthy again.  Yeah, they're just just for anybody listening. Chickens are not the smartest animal on the planet. 25:04 And silkies are the dumbest of the chicken breeds from what I've heard. They are.  But they're funny looking. They're beautiful, but they're dumb.  Turkeys are worse. think turkeys are worse. Yes. Okay.  We butchered turkeys last year too. Yeah, this  is going to sound really bad, but I'm going to say it anyway.  When we take animals from the wild and we spend years domesticating them, which is how we have 25:33 turkeys that we raise on farms and chickens we raise on farms.  We breed out their smarts. Right. Because turkeys are not stupid animals in the wild. They manage to survive. Right.  All on their little own. And I don't, I don't think chickens are native to the States. I think they were brought over from Asia. Probably. Yeah. 25:57 I'm assuming that the chickens in Asia were wild at one point too and they managed to survive or we wouldn't have them here. So  when you breed the wild out of an animal, think that you breed their smarts out of them too. Well, it's like that with everything  for bees, for example, we have tried to be hands off a little bit and let  nature take its course. 26:22 We don't feed them sugar water every single week like  they tell you to in any class you go to. I had read somewhere that sugar water em actually lowers their immune system. And that's when mites  and  things like that can come in and get in the hive and start infecting the bees.  Yes. And so we try to be as hands off as possible with all of our animals because it's like, well, they survived. 26:49 long before man started intervening and doing things and just kind of let's leave them a little bit more the way God intended them to be. So that's what we try to do with everything. I think that's smart.  And the other thing that people don't know about chickens is chickens don't have any self-regulation when it comes to eating because the way that they get food is they spend their days pecking at the ground for insects. 27:19 and seeds  and bugs. I'm sorry, insects and bugs are the same thing. Whatever.  That's how they eat when they're left to their own devices. So when you fill up a chicken feeder with pellets or with the crumble,  they're going to eat all they can eat until it's time to go to sleep. Right.  And this drives me insane because my husband will fill the chicken feeder to the top. And then they won't go out and forage. 27:46 And  it'll be gone in a day and a half. I'm like, dude, only fill it halfway. And then they'll go out and  pack for bugs and seeds. And he finally got it and he only filled it halfway. And about a week later, I said, how are the chickens doing with having half rations? And he said, they're fine. So  heads up, you don't have to fill a chicken feeder all the way up if they're outside, because they'll eat outside too. Right. Because you'll get... 28:14 some chickens that they just want to stay in the coop. They don't want to go out and forage. And then you'll have the ones that are out at the crack of dawn because that's what they like to do is be out foraging and yeah. have two right now that keep escaping the run and they destroyed our raised bed of baby radishes. Oh bummer. I am  so pissed off about this because I was really looking forward to pickled radishes like a week from now. 28:43 They destroyed the bed a week or so ago. Bummer. And my husband actually rigged a thing to keep them from flying over the fence. And they have figured out that if they just go to this one spot, they can still get out. And I'm like, OK, maybe they're not as dumb as I think they are. Right. Oh, but they won't. There's only two now that are getting out and they don't go after the garden. So we're OK. Right. Well, that's good. That's good. Yeah, animals aren't. 29:11 uh anywhere near  as dumb as people think they are. We've learned a lot with the cattle. I had no idea that they're as intelligent as they are until we actually got them and started observing them. For example, when we butchered our first one a couple of years ago, um we had a person come to the farm and put him down and dress him out and everything and then haul him off. And as soon as he left, 29:39 all the whole rest of the herd started bawling  because they knew something had happened.  And we have our own train station of sorts  in the back 40 of our front 40  and where we take remains and everything.  And they followed my husband and the tractor as he was hauling the remains out to that spot, moaning and bawling the entire way. 30:09 and then stayed out there the whole rest of the day. Way to go making it harder on you guys, cows, jeez. Well, it reminded me a lot of how elephants are and how they  examine a corpse and bones when they find it and they touch it and they smell it. And that's exactly what they did with the remains of the first bull that we had butchered. And they mourned. And it was shocking, but 30:39 awe-inspiring. It was just interesting. It's really interesting because I've heard exactly the opposite kind of stories too where somebody butchers a cow or a bull on the property and the other cows don't care. They don't even notice. Maybe it's a breed thing. I don't know. I no idea. Or maybe it's just a them thing. Maybe because they've done it with, we've only butchered two so far and they've done it both times. Yeah, I don't know. 31:08 Maybe it's because our herd isn't enormous  and so they're a close-knit group. that's why. That could be, yeah. I don't know. would...  This sounds really strange. I would love to have a way to see how animals think  and we just will never know. Yeah. And to go back to Maggie, because why not end the episode where we started, um with my dog.  I can read her like a book,  you know, she... 31:38 She has facial expressions that tell me what she needs. She has sounds that she makes that I know what they mean. It's no different than when you have a baby, anyone who's had a baby and nursed a baby. You know that there's a certain cry that they do that tells you that they are hungry. Right. And I used to call it the la la cry because it sounds like la la la la instead of wah wah wah wah. 32:05 And the way I cry was when she was wet or poopy. And somebody said to me one time that they didn't understand when I just knew  that she didn't need to be changed, she needed to be fed.  And I was like, you can't hear the difference in her cries? And they were like, no. And it's a thing. It's a thing with moms. You recognize the different sounds that your child makes. an animal that you spend time with, you know what they're telling you. 32:34 Right.  And they know,  I'm going to go back to cattle for a second. They know their names. All of ours have a name. They know their name when I say it. They know when the stranger's here because they won't come to the fence for treats. If there's a stranger, some of them will because they're too food, food focused. But we have other ones that they'll be like,  uh, we don't know who that person is. So we, we aren't coming. 32:59 Yeah, we've got a barn cat who absolutely goes and hides when somebody pulls in the driveway.  And he's the oldest one. He's like  seven or eight years old and he's a big black fixed tomcat.  But he is just scared if it's somebody he doesn't know, he's like, nope, I'm out.  So  again, I wish that I could understand how  animals think and 33:29 They do think, but they don't have any concept of the future. As far as we know. As far as we know. In everything that scientists have studied, which is not as much as I would like them to study, uh we think that they don't have any concept of the future. It's just, I'm here. The things I need to accomplish today are stay alive. And the way to stay alive is to eat food and drink water and get out of the weather.  And my second thing is to take 33:57 the fact that I'm still alive and make more of me.  That's it. Yeah, I don't know.  It's hard to say. I'm sure there's  some thought process besides just instinct.  God created them for a purpose and they have a brain for a reason.  Yeah. So again, I'd love to know. I would love for just an hour to be inside of my dog's brain and be like, how does she think? 34:26 And only an hour because I think it would be so foreign to me that it would ruin my own brain I don't think I could even handle an hour. Yeah, maybe just start with five minutes. I Don't know that five minutes would be enough for me because I would be too curious to know where that was gonna go. Mm-hmm. Yeah Anyway, this was really fun Mary where can find where can people find you on? Are you on face? You're on Facebook front 40 farm 34:52 On Facebook, it's the big C with the F to the third power. That's the logo. Cause there is another front 40 farm. oh Um,  and we're in Holden, Missouri. Yeah. And I have, we do have a, also have a tick talk,  um, page where we post some videos, some fun videos and stuff. Okay. I have questions about tick tock, I will ask you after we stop recording. Okay.  All right.  Uh, as always people can find me at a tiny homestead podcast.com  Mary, thank you for taking the time to talk with. 35:21 I really enjoyed it. did too. Thank you. Alright, bye. Bye.