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Full interview: President Trump says he’ll be a ‘two-term president,’ downplays third term talk

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President Donald Trump joins Meet the Press for an exclusive and wide-ranging interview reflecting on the first 100 days of his second term and laying out his vision for the rest of his presidency – and the future of his political movement. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Events visit your Ontario Ford store or Ford casual. President Trump, welcome back to Meet the Press. Thank you very much. Thank you so much for being here to mark your first 100 days in office.

It has been incredibly busy. 100 days. You've signed more than 140 executive orders. You've been focused on the border, the economy, foreign policy.

What is your biggest goal in the next 100 days? Well, I think we'll see a lot of results. We've already seen them on the border. We have the best border in the history of our country.

It was 99.999 and nobody ever thought that was possible. In fact, Biden, if you remember, said he has to get Legislation. And I said, no, you just need a new president. And I guess I was right.

We have the best border we've ever had. We're doing great on illegal immigration. We are being hit hard by judges that I think are trying to take away the power of the presidency. I was elected in a massive landslide, in a big, you know, big vote.

We won the swing states. We won the popular vote. We won the district votes by tremendous numbers. We won everything.

And one of the reasons. One of the primary reasons I was elected was to get people out of our country that were allowed. We have prisoners, we have murderers. We have terrorists in our country.

We have people from mental institutions that are seriously insane. They all came in through Biden's open border policy. And I was elected to get them out and to seal the border, but to get them out. And we'll have judges or activist judges.

They're saying, well, you know, you don't have the right to take out murderers and people that you don't even want to talk about. These are really some really bad criminal people, and they're here illegally. So, you know, they talk about. Your next question will be due process, but they talk about due process.

But do you get due process when you're here illegally? We're going to talk about all that. We are going to talk about deportation. I want to start on the economy, sir, which obviously the biggest issue for voters.

We got new numbers today, better than expected. Job numbers, much better. At the same time, the economy shrank in the first quarter. You've been arguing all week that this is President Biden's economy.

Is this now your economy, sir? Well, I think certain aspects of it are. Costs are. I was able to get down the cost, but even that.

It takes a while to get them down, but we got them down good. We lost five to six billion dollars a day with Biden. Five to six billion. And I got that down to a great number right now in a very record time.

You know, we talked about 100 days, but just think what that is. $5 billion a day we're losing on trade. And we were very tough with China, as you know, we put 145% tariff on. Nobody's ever heard of such a thing.

And we've essentially cut off trade relationships by putting that much of a tariff on. And that's okay. We've got cold turkey. That means that we're not losing.

You know, we lost a trillion dollars to China. A trillion dollars. That means we're not losing a trillion dollars when we go cold turkey. Because we're not doing business with them right now.

And they want to make a deal. They want to make a deal very badly. We'll see how that all turns out. It's got to be a fair deal.

But think of it. We're losing a trillion dollars, and that was a big part of the $5 million a day. And I want to talk about China, but just staying on this idea of the economy. On the eve of your inauguration, the stock market spiked.

You called it the Trump effect. Are you spiked? Because I was elected president, Spike, because of anybody else, it's spiked because they see what I'm going to do, they know what I'm going to do with the tariffs and everything else. And I think it's actually working out better than we anticipated.

Did you see oil prices? Did you see gasoline is now below, in many cases, in many states, below $2 a gallon. 198. 199.

197. Well, my question, sir, is when the stock market spiked, you said this is the Trump effect. When the numbers weren't so good earlier this week, you said it's the Biden effect. Are you only taking ownership of the good numbers and not the bad numbers?

I think he did a lot of very bad things, and despite some of the bad things, we're overcoming them. But he was bad on the border, he was bad on the economy. We had the worst inflation in the history of our country. Look, Biden gave us the worst inflation in the history of our country.

People didn't know what they made because they were losing their shirt. Because, of course, now take a look at what happened. Oil is down, gasoline is down, groceries are down. Eggs.

You were the one that asked me. You asked me about eggs. It was the first week I didn't even know anything about. What were you talking about?

Egg prices were so high, you couldn't buy eggs. They didn't have any eggs. And they said Easter is going to be a disaster. Well, we had Easter at the White House and we had thousands of eggs and they were down 87%.

A lot of that, of course, Spike, was because of bird flu. But when does it become the Trump economy? Why do you say that? Well, Tony, we had the same bird flu as he had.

When does it become the Trump economy? It partially is right now. And I really mean this. I think the good parts are the Trump economy and the bad parts of the Biden economy because he's done a terrible job.

He did a terrible job on everything from his auto pen, which I'm sure he knew nothing about some of the things he was supposedly signing to Immigration. You look at what happened with Immig. It was. Think of it, we have murderers, 11,888 murders, many of them murdered more than one person.

Think of that. And they're in our country now. We've gotten a lot of them out, and we know who many of them are, and we're on the hunt. But why would anybody do that?

Why would anybody who could do such a thing with it allow hundreds of thousands and even millions of people into our country? Or criminals and murderers at the highest level? But, sir, you acknowledge when you announce your tariffs, for example, the stock market dropped. It's been volatile.

It has since gone up. Do you take responsibility? Do you take responsibility? Ultimately, I take responsibility for everything.

But I've only just been here for a little more than three months. But the stock market, look at what's happened in the last period of time. It didn't have nine or 10 days in a row or 11 days where it's gone up and the tariffs have just started kicking in and we're doing really well psychologically. I mean, the fake news was giving me such press on the tariffs.

The tariffs are going to make us rich. We're going to be a very rich country. So let's talk about the tariffs. I want to ask you about something you said this week got a lot of attention.

You were at your Cabinet meeting. You said, quote, and I quote, you said, maybe the children will have two dolls instead of $30, and maybe the $2 will cost a couple of bucks more than they would normally. Are you saying that your tariffs will cause some prices to go up? No, I think the tariffs are going to be great for us because it's going to make us rich.

You said some dolls are going to cost more. Isn't that acknowledgment that some prices will go up? I don't think a beautiful baby girl needs. That's 11 years old, needs to have 30 dolls.

I think they can have three dolls or four dolls because what we were doing with China was just unbelievable. We had a trade deficit of hundreds of billions of dollars with China. When you say they could have $3 instead of $30, are you saying you're not needing. Americans could see empty store shelves.

No, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying they don't need to have $30. They can have three. They don't need to have 250 pencils.

They can have five. But you're basically saying there could Be some supply chain, waste money on a trade deficit with China for things we don't need, for junk that we don't need. Well, prices are already going up on some popular items. Pliers, strollers.

This is such a dishonest interview already. Prices are down on groceries. Prices are down for oil. Prices are down for oil.

Energy prices are down at tremendous numbers for gasoline. And let me tell you, when you have the big thing, what he did, he spent like a stupid person, which he was, but he spent like a very stupid person. And that was bad for inflation. But what really killed us with inflation was the price of energy.

It went up to $3.90, even $4. And in California, five and six dollars. Right. Okay.

I have it down to $1.98 in many states right now. When you go that much lower on energy, which is ahead of my prediction because I really thought I could get it down into the 250s. We have it down at $1.98 in numerous places. But when you say costs are going up, even mortgage rates are going down.

Well, let me give you some examples. These are actual examples. So you're saying the prices are going down. Some prices are going up.

Tires, strollers, some clothing. In the wake of your tariffs, that's peanuts compared to energy. Energy is 60% of the cost. Energy is a big.

You campaign on promise to bring. Well, I don't know. When you say strollers are going up, what kind of a thing. I'm saying that gasoline is going down.

Gasoline is thousands of times more important than a stroller. Something. What do you say to Americans who say they voted for you because they want, and they need relief right now? They're getting it right now.

What about those mortgage rates are going down despite the fact we have a stubborn Fed. But you said dolls. Even dolls could cost a couple bucks more. Maybe they might.

But you don't need to have, as I said, $35. You can have 2, 3, 4 and save a lot of money. We don't need to feed the beast. I guess you're talking about this transition cost.

How long should people expect that transition to last? Mr. President, I can't tell you that. I can tell you that we're making a lot of money.

We're doing great again. We're losing more than $5 billion a day. $5 billion a day. You don't talk about that.

And right now we're at a point very soon where we're making money every day. Look, we were losing hundreds of billions of dollars with China. Now we're essentially not doing business with China. Therefore, we're saving hundreds of billions of dollars.

Very simple. You take me to my next question, which is about China. They've been making a number of public statements, very positive statements, the last 24 hours. Well, most recently, they said before talks could happen, the US Would need to remove unilateral tariffs.

Would you consider dropping the tariffs to get China to negotiate? No. They did. First of all, you're giving me a statement that said a week ago.

You're not giving the statement that was said today. I have May 2nd Chinese Commerce Ministry. You know what they said today? The US Wants to negotiate.

It should show sincerity by preparing to take actions in correcting its mistakes and canceling UNIL terror. They made. No, first of all, they made numerous statistics. I can give you a statement for any occasion.

But they said today they want to talk. Look, China and I don't like this. I'm not happy about this. China's getting killed right now.

They're getting absolutely destroyed. Their factories are closing. Their unemployment is going through the roof. I'm not looking to do that to China now.

At the same time, I'm not looking to have China make hundreds of billions of dollars and build more ships and more army tanks and more airplanes. So you're not just. You're not dropping the tariffs against China to get them to negotiate? Those tariffs are staying on.

Would you lower them at some point? I'm going to lower them because otherwise you could never do business with them. And they want to do business very much. Look, their economy is really doing badly.

Their economy is collapsing. So small businesses say they are being hurt by the Chinese tariffs and some could be forced to shut down. Many businesses have been helped. Are you considering carefully for small businesses?

Why do you always mention that? You know, you pick up a couple of little businesses. What about the car business? They're going to make a fortune because of the tariffs.

Do you know that the union head of the union, who's no fan of mine, Fain, Sean Fain, I guess his name is, right. He didn't endorse me. The Teamsters did. A lot of people did.

A lot of unions did. But he didn't. He couldn't stand me. Now he's saying, wow, what's Trump's done for the automobile?

I can't believe it. I assume he's gonna probably now say, the next thing he can say is, I endorse this guy. He's the greatest I've ever seen. He can't believe it's happened.

He said, we've been waiting 40 years for somebody to do what Trump is doing. So why don't you mention the big car industry instead of mentioning the somebody that's doing strollers? Well, I'm just asking about small businesses. Are there any discussions about giving any relief to small businesses?

They're not going to need it. Okay. They're going to make so much money. Are these tariffs if you build your product here?

Remember, there are no tariffs if you build your product here. It's very easy. It's very simple. Are these tariffs permanent, Mr.

President? Depends on what you're talking about. One of the things that is going to bring and has brought. So I think we probably have close to $9 trillion of investments coming into this country.

If you look at other presidents, there's never been anything like that. This is over a period of two months. You got to give me a little break in the one month because we're three months. But, you know, let's say we had to get started with a lot of fake news at the beginning, so we had to beat that down.

But so let's say it's been two months. So in just a short period of time, a matter of a couple of months, we have the largest number ever in history invested in the United States and committed. We have between guaranteed, spoken for and people that are going to make a decision and announce a pretty soon close to $9 trillion. We've never had anything close.

Now that's Apple building $500 billion worth of plans. They always built their plants in China. Now they're building their plants over here. That's the biggest computer company, the biggest chip company in the world.

You know, the chip company from Taiwan, which is the biggest in the world, is committed for 500 billion. Another one's committed for 300 billion. We have companies. Nobody's ever seen anything like it.

Let me tell you the other thing. Very importantly, automobile companies, plant after plant after plant. Toyota, Honda, Ford, General Motors, Stellantis. I mean, nobody's ever seen anything like it.

And I don't like this, but it happens to be. They're stopping work in Mexico and they're stopping work in Canada and they're all moving here. This is important, though. You're not taking the possibility that these tariffs could be permanent off the table.

Some of them. Oh, I wouldn't do that. Because if somebody thought they were going to come off the table, why would they build in the United States? I understand that.

Right, yeah. No, I mean, that's why I'm asking, because There's a lot of, I think, uncertainty for CEOs, for business owners. They want to know, are they scared of permanent? I think there's only uncertainty in the fake news.

I don't think there's uncertainty. I mean, I've been very rigid, very strong on it. But I will say I have. I'm flexible.

Like with respect to parts made outside of the country. I gave the automobile companies a little extra time. You know, you're talking about 15% and then 10% of the parts made put in a car. I gave them a little extra time without penalizing.

And I did that only to help, you know, companies. We're looking to help companies, we want them to thrive and to hire a lot of people. And that's what's happening. Let me ask you about some of what Wall street has said.

Some people on Wall street have expressed concerns that the possibility of a recession is increasing. I want to know what you think about that. Are you comfortable with the country potentially dipping into a recession for a period of time if you are able to achieve your long term goals? Well, you know, you say, some people on Wall street say, well, I can tell you something else.

Some people on Wall street say that we're gonna have the greatest economy in history. Why don't you talk about them? Because some people on Wall street say, this is what I'm getting at. That's what I'm getting at, though.

It's their main question. There are many people on Wall street say this is going to be the greatest windfall ever happened. And that's my question. Over the long term, is it okay in the short term to have a recession?

Look, yes, everything's okay. What we are. I said, this is a transition period. I think we're going to do fantastically.

One of your colleagues on another fake news station, ABC, said, Do you guarantee 100% that a certain person is going to do a fantastic job as, let's say, Secretary of Defense? Okay, that was the question. I said, what kind of a question is that? Do I guarantee 100%?

Nobody guarantees 100%, but I will say this. I think we're going to have an economy the likes of which we've never had before. You know, my four years were phenomenal, as, you know, the stock market. In fact, even though we had to go through the COVID thing, that horrible situation with COVID we did numbers.

And when I gave it over, when I handed it over, the election was rigged and I handed it. And because of that, we have a lot of problems by the way. But when I handed it over, what happened? The market was higher than it was previous to, just previous to co coming in.

Nobody could believe the stock market. I'm talking about, I don't want to look back. But you, you did take your case to court about that. You took your case to court about your allegations against the, the election.

Let me ask you, this is my question about the election was rigged. The facts are in and it's still being litigated. Listen, you did take your case. More than 60 500.

To button that up though, sir. Just to button that up. What are you talking about? Let's talk about here now.

Let's talk about the election in 2020. Let's not talk about. Let's talk about here now. Are you worried about a recession?

No. Okay. No, no. I think we're going to have the greatest economic.

Are you worried it could happen? Do you think it could happen? Anything can happen. But I think we're the greatest economy in the history of our country.

I think we've had the greatest economic boom in history. Let me ask you about this call to Amazon founder Jeff Bezos this week in response to a report that Amazon was going to display tarif to product prices. Are you going to punish CEOs who increase their prices because of tariffs? I think what, I think what is a great misnomer is the word tariff in many cases.

To me, I don't view it as a tax. I view it as incentive for people to come into the United States and build plants, factories, offices, a lot of things. I think it's an incentive. But the thing that's not known is if you look back and see oftentimes like China or Vietnam or other countries, not just China, because China's an abuser, but there are other abusers.

Many of them are friends of the so called. I say friend and foe and friend is oftentimes worse than foe. But what people don't understand is, and this is a lot, the country eats the tariff, the company eats the tariff, and it's not passed along at all. Some CEOs are saying they're going to have to pass along.

So how do you deal with those CEO? How do you deal with those? CEO is eating the tariffs. Right.

What do you say to those CEOs who are saying we might have to pass this on to the. Well, they say that because maybe it's to their advantage to say it. Maybe punish them. No, because you know what?

I want them to build plants in the United States. That way they don't have any Tariffs. See, tariffs will. And not only will.

Look at what's happened in two months. We're close to $9 trillion of investment. We've never been anywhere near that. What did you say to Jeff Bezos?

He's just a very nice guy. We have a relationship. I asked him about it. He said, well, I don't want to do that, and shut it off immediately.

So he changed course. And will you take that same tactic with other CEOs, people who. I disagree with them. If I think that somebody's doing something that's incorrect, wrong, or maybe hurtful to the country, I'll call.

Absolutely. Wouldn't you want me to call? Mike wouldn't call because he didn't know what was happening. But I do.

Takes me to my next question. Today's strong jobs report. Likely means not clear. But likely means the Fed is less likely to lower interest rates.

Well, he should lower them. And at some point he will. He'd rather not because he's not a fan of mine. Not, you know, just doesn't like me because I think he's a total stiff and, you know, it's just one of those things.

He should lower them. And I wish the people that are on that board would get him to lower because we are at a perfect time. It's already late. But he should lower interest rates.

You rule out removing Fed Chair Jerome Powell. You know, I get to change him very quickly anyway in very short period of time. In 2026. You're not going to remove.

You don't have plans to remove him before 2026. That was a total. Why would I do that? I get to replace the person in another short period of time.

Okay. This week, you reshuffled your national security team, moved National Security Advisor Mike Waltz to UN Ambassador, just to remind our viewers, Waltz, of course, started that unsecure text chain where sensitive information was shared. Mr. President, was that move a punishment?

No, I just think he'll do a nice job in the new position. Marco's doing an outstanding job. No, Marco won't keep. Marco's very busy doing other things, so he's not going to keep it long term.

I'm going to put somebody else in, but I think Michael is a fine guy and I think he'll do a great job. Knows the countries, knows leadership, and I think he'll do a very good job at the United Nations. And in the meantime, Marco's really doing something special and it's going to work out very well. We're hearing some potential names.

Stephen Miller's Name one of your longtime, most loyal aides. His name has been talked about as a potential national Security advisor. He's someone you're looking. Well, I love fc, even though.

But that'll be a downgrade. Stephen's very. Steven is much higher in the totem pole than that, in my opinion. Can you tell us who the frontrunner is?

Right. I have a lot of people that want it. I have everybody calling. Everybody wants to be a part of this administration.

So at some point we'll, you know, probably do that. You know, there's a theory Henry Kissinger did both. There's a theory that you don't need two people. But I think I have some really great people that could do the job.

So Secretary Rubio could continue to have both jobs and definitely. But I think he even would like to probably see. Because it is a little bit different. But in the meantime, he'll handle it.

And I think Mike, if that goes forward, you know, he still has a. But I think Mike will do a very good job at the United Nations. Defense Secretary Pete Heisett, obviously, also on that unsecure text chain, he was sharing sensitive information. Are you looking for a new Secretary of Defense?

Not even a little bit. No. He's going to be great. His job is safe right now, doing a fantastic job against the Houthis, who are, like, blowing ships up and watching them sink in the ocean.

We're hitting them very hard. No, he's doing a very good job. His job is safe right now. Totally safe.

Okay, let's talk about the border. Let's talk about deportations. Border crossings are at their lowest level ever recorded. Is the border.

Is the border now secure? Yeah, it's really secure. It's absolutely. When you say that, doesn't it just sound good?

After being abused for years by an incompetent president that allowed people to pour through an open border, Criminals from all over the world, murderers and insane people from mental institutions and insane asylums. Isn't it. Isn't it a beautiful thing when you say it's the most secure it's ever been in the history of our country? Isn't that a nice statement?

Well, I'm curious to know what it means. You declared a national emergency on the Southern Order. The order is still in place. The most secure border we've ever had.

And I guess the question becomes, when will you know that the emergency is over? You planning to lift it at some point? Is it necessary? Because obviously the military is involved.

Will you lift that emergency? Well, the biggest emergency is the Courts aren't allowing us to take. Really. We're going to talk about that.

Talk to me first about this. Talk to me first about this. The border is not the emergency. The border is.

It's all part of the same thing, though. The big emergency right now is that we have thousands of people that we want to take out and we have some judges that want everybody to go to. Some of them you appointed, sir, including three on the Supreme Court. I mean, it's unbelievable.

It's unbelievable how that happens. But they do change. Just to button this up, though, are you planning to lift that emergency order anytime soon now that the borders of the emergency. We have a massive emergency.

Overall. It's an overall emergency on immigration. And if the courts don't allow us to take people out, if we had to have a court case, every single. Think of it, every single person.

We have millions of people, we have millions of court cases. Figured two weeks of court case, it would be 300 years. So let's talk about this because obviously you've had a back and forth with the supreme court. In a 9 to 0 decision, the Supreme Court directed your administration to facilitate the return.

You've talked about this in the past of Kilmar Grego Garcia from a president El Salvador whose deportation your administration called administrative error. You said in a recent interview you could bring him back, but you won't. Are you defying the Supreme Court? No, I'm relying on the attorney general of the United States.

Pam Bondi is very capable of doing a great job because I'm not involved in the legality or the illegality. I have lawyers to do that and that's why I have a great doj. We have a great one. We had a very corrupt one before.

Now we have a great one. And they're not viewing the decision the way you said it. They don't view it that way at all. They think it's a totally different decision.

Well, you say you have the power to bring back though. Your attorney general says, quote, that's up to El Salvador. Just to put a fine point on this. Do you have the power to bring Abrego Garcia back as the Supreme Court?

Well, I have the power to ask for him to come back if I'm instructed by the attorney general that it's legal to do so. But the decision as to whether or not he should come back will be the head of El Salvador as a very capable man. Well, you know, your attorney general has said the issues of that word facilitate. Will you seek clarification from the Supreme Court.

You need to go back to the Supreme Court. We may do that. I was asking about that. We may do that.

There are some people that say bring him back, put him in trial and you get them out right away because you see what happened just this morning. Tapes came out, horrible tapes from his wife. You don't get much worse than that. You don't get, I mean, he seems certainly like a very dangerous, very bad person, but even the wife who was so afraid, she was afraid to talk and all of a sudden tapes got released this morning that were devastating to him.

And this is the point, sir, about due process. The constitution says every person, citizens and non citizens, deserve due process. Why not push to have him come back, present all of that evidence in court, let a judge decide? Well, I'll leave that to the lawyers and I'll leave that to the attorney general of the United States because you have to understand, I'm dealing with Russia and Ukraine, I'm dealing with, I'm dealing with Iran, I'm dealing with Rwanda and the Congo fighting.

And we're trying to get that one straight out. And I think we have done that, did a great job. Nobody even talks about it, but I think we're close to doing that. They're looking like they're going to maybe make a peace deal, which would be good.

But I'm dealing with a lot of different things. I don't know much about this gentleman other than I hear he's an absolute not good person. And I have very capable legal John Sauer, as you know, all top people, and I have to rely on that to interpret whatever said by the Supreme Court. Now with that being said, I have tremendous respect for the Supreme Court.

Look, three of the people are people I appointed and I have great respect for the Supreme Court and I would expect that the attorney General will be doing the right thing. Your secretary of State says everyone who's here, citizens and non citizens, deserve to process. Do you agree? Mr.

I don't know. I'm not, I'm not a lawyer. I don't know. Well, the Fifth Amendment says it seems it might say that, but if you're talking about that, then we'd have to have a million or 2 million or 3 million trials.

We have thousands of people that are some murderers and some drug dealers and some of the worst people on earth, but some of the worst, most dangerous people on earth and I was elected to get them the hell out of here and the courts are holding me from doing it. But, but even given those numbers that you're talking about, don't you need to uphold the Constitution of the United States? I don't know. I have to respond by saying, again, I have brilliant lawyers that work for me, and they are going to obviously follow what the Supreme Court said.

What you said is not what I heard the Supreme Court said. They have a different interpretation. Is anyone in your administration right now in contact with El Salvador about returning a Garcia to. I don't know.

You'd have to ask the attorney general that question. Okay. At least two Americans have been mistakenly detained and released by your administration. Immigration authorities.

Mr. President, should lawful residents of this country start carrying paperwork with them when they leave their homes? I don't think that'll be necessary. But what you're not saying is that many people have been killed, maimed, badly hurt by illegal immigrants that came over that are from prisons and from jails and from mental institutions, and they're hurting our people.

And if we don't get them out, we're not gonna have a country for long. We need honest. Yeah, we need honest media and we need walls. We need to have borders.

And by the way, I built a lot of walls. And if we didn't do that, we wouldn't be able to have those. You know, we would not be able to have the kind of numbers if I wasn't successful in building hundreds of miles of wall. Very quickly, sir, the last time you and I spoke in December, you said that you would consider working on getting dreamers legal stats.

Dreamers, of course. Those who are brought here illegally as children. Where does effort stand? Is that a priority for you?

Well, it's not a priority for the Democrats because every time we talk about it, they don't want to talk about it because I guess they like it as a political issue, but they're not good at political issues because they still want to have men. Bl. Republicans do control Congress right now, Mr. President.

Dreamers a priority. Well, you need. For that, you would need to have support from Democrats, and we have no support from them. Have you had any discussions about.

Yeah, we've had discussions. We would do something. I'd love to put a beautiful immigration for everybody. But the Democrats don't want to approve anything.

All they want to do is knock out a tax bill. We're trying to get approved right now, the biggest tax cut in the history of our country. And if it doesn't get approved, it's a 68% tax increase. And that's what the Democrats want.

They want a 68% tax increase. It's rather incredible. And I do want to talk to you about your legislation. But let's talk about Doge very quickly.

Doge has fired and then rehired thousands of federal workers, including FAA employees in charge of aviation safety specialists working on nuclear weapon safety. What do you say to those who believe Elon Musk's chainsaw approach has jeopardized the safety and security of America? Well, he found $160 billion worth of fraud, waste and abuse. I mean, I think he's done an amazing job.

I think his people have done an incredible job. They're brilliant people. They know the computer. I actually asked him, what's their big trait.

He said they're unbelievable at computers. In other words, you can't fake them out because these people were in many cases, crooks. But it was fraud, waste and abuse they found. Your question should be asked a different way.

Were certain things found? Yes. How much? $160 billion.

Think of 160 billion. Is he found 160 billion? He said he found 2 trillion. Well, we're not finished yet.

We're not finished. Do you think the work continues even though he's leaving? He's leaving behind some very brilliant people? They were on television last night.

They're super high IQ people. I like high IQ people. People the Democrats don't have any of them. Let me ask you about some news that broke.

You are threatening to rescind Harvard's tax exempt status, and yet directing the IRS to investigate and rescind a university's tax exempt status is contrary to what's in the federal law. The law says you can't do this. Do you think you're following the law? Well, I tell you, I'm going to just follow what the lawyers say.

They say that we're allowed to do that, and I'm all for it, but everything I say is subject to the law is being 100 adhered to. Are you willing to take this to court? If it becomes a court fight, you're going to take it that far? A lot of cases.

All right, let's talk about some of the other actions you've taken over the past 100 days. Last month, you directed your Attorney General Kambandi to review two people who you perceive to be your political adversaries. And yet you told me in December that you would not direct the Justice Department to investigate your political votes. What changed?

Well, no, I just look at people and I'm not directing anybody. They looked at these two people. They might have known it or they might have heard it. From two years ago.

One person said he knew me so well. He was, I think on CNN or msdnc, but they're both failing. That works here. Happy to know, even though one of my guests is related to you in one form or another, although they're trying to cut him loose as fast as possible.

But it was well known that this one person, it was almost like he was my brother. I don't even know who he is. Maybe he was there. Maybe he was in the Oval Office a few times as a surrogate for, you know, somebody in some form of government, along with 25 other people that sat in the back of the room or stood in the back of the room.

I have no idea who this guy is. And he's out there. And then he did a book called Anonymous. Did a book called Anonymous.

I think that's really subversion. I think it's. I think it's spying. It's something.

It's something really bad for a long time. And the other one said that the election was so wonderful. It was such a. Well, it turned out it wasn't a wonderful election.

It was a corrupt election. Let me ask it this way, sir, because when we talked in December, I asked you, what is your message to people who didn't vote for you? Let me remind you of what you said. You said, I love you, and we're going to all work together.

How does pursuing your political foes help to you? You really did. That's a direct quote. I'm sure you're right, but I'd like to.

I promise I'll show it to you. I'll show you the tape. Look, how does that help to you? I treat people fairly whether they voted for me or not.

I want to have a unified country. It's very hard because the media is so fake. Including, like, even the way you ask questions. Every question is asked in a negative vein.

There's a toy company that took a toddlers, you know, whatever. But you don't talk about the fact that gasoline is down at numbers that nobody believes possible. You know why they're down, by the way? Drill, baby, drill.

We're drilling like crazy right now. We try to make sure every question is fair, Mr. President. Look, every question you ask says a very negative slant.

No, no, but I'm just fine for responding to. I don't think you're very difficult at all to respond to, to be honest with you. But you know what? You should have some positive things.

Like, sir, it's amazing what you've done with gasoline, because you know what? Gasoline's big business. A stroller is not big business. To this question, Mr.

President, you said you wanted to unify the country. Does going after political foes undercut that goal? No, not at all. No.

We want honest people. Okay, I think you have to do that. We want honest people in this country. Let me ask you a big picture.

People who have lived in countries like the Philippines, Hungary, Russia, they look at some of your actions. Going after civil service, going after universities, law firms, the media, they say it's out of an authoritarian playbook. What do you say to those who believe you are taking the country down an authoritarian path? Well, there you go again.

Why don't you ask it a different way? Many people wanted to come into our country. Many people love Trump. I won the election.

They didn't win the election. I got a lot more votes than they did. I won the popular vote. I won all seven swing states by a lot.

A lot of people were surprised. I said, I think you could win four, maybe five. No, I won all seven. And I won by a lot.

And I won. Actually. I think there was a lot of hanky panky going on, but it was too big to rig. That's the good news.

It's too big to rig. But let me just say so. When you make these statements about people say this, well, you know, they had their chance at the election and they lost big. So you should ask the question differently.

You should say, what about the people that want to be in this country? What about the people that love this country? But what are you saying? I'm asking it on behalf of those people to give you a chance to respond to them.

What do you say to those people, sir? Those people are going to be very happy. They're gonna have to see some results. And I think we had a great hundred days.

There are a lot of people that say it was unprecedented. It was an Absolutely unprecedented 100 days. And I hope that they're gonna be right. Do you see dissent as an essential part of democracy?

It's a part of democracy. It is. It's an important part of democracy. You're always gonna have Christ, and you're always gonna have dissent.

There's nothing you're gonna do about that. Am I gonna get 100% unified? It would be a strange place, I can't even imagine it, where 100%. Look, you have people that are good people, they're very smart people, and they honestly believe we should have open borders and the entire world should be allowed to pour into our country.

I think it's a 95.5 issue, but they believe it. They're not even bad people. Some of them are bad. You have people that be allowed to play in women's sports.

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