EPISODE · May 1, 2026 · 28 MIN
Future Work World with Barry Winkless
from Inside Learning | Unlocking human potential · host The Learnovate Centre, Trinity College Dublin
In this episode of the Inside Learning Podcast from the Learnovate Centre, Aidan McCullen speaks with Barry Winkless, Chief Strategy Officer at Cpl, Head of the Future of Work Institute, and author of Future Work World: How Leaders Can Create Destinations for Talent that Excite, Entice, and Engage. Barry argues that future-of-work conversations must begin with mindset. Before leaders redesign work, talent, teams or technology, they need a new language and a new way of seeing. He introduces three leadership roles from the book: the Destination Designer, the Societal Whisperer, and the Systems Architect. The conversation explores the structure of Future Work World, including Barry’s four-part journey through mindset, “meta waves”, the “mixing desk” of 16 areas for work innovation, and the use of immersive storytelling to move people emotionally. Barry also shares how music, science fiction, and fictional near-future stories shaped the book’s distinctive style. Aidan and Barry discuss the idea of “work type salads”, where organisations blend permanent employees, contractors, consultants, gig workers, temporary talent, and specialist networks to create strategic advantage. They also explore the concept of organisational “wisdom worlds”, using AI inference, immersive learning, and tacit knowledge capture to build deeper capability over time. The episode closes with a reflection on the shift from mono careers to poly careers, where individuals increasingly become the hero of their own working lives and organisations become part of their journey rather than the whole journey. Episode Timeline 00:00 Podcast intro and guest 01:10 Why this book now 01:58 Music and storytelling 04:47 Mindset comes first 11:25 Mixing desk equalizers 14:46 Meta waves and work type salad 18:39 Building a wisdom world 22:37 The new hero journey at work 27:06 Where to find Barry 27:57 Closing credits
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In this episode of the Inside Learning Podcast from the Learnovate Centre, Aidan McCullen speaks with Barry Winkless, author of Future Work World, Chief Strategy Officer at Cpl, and Head of the Future of Work Institute. Barry explores how leaders can create organisations that attract, retain and empower talent while balancing the need for hyper-efficiency with the reality that organisations are also living systems. He explains why future-of-work change must begin with mindset, introducing three leadership roles from the book: the Destination Designer, the Societal Whisperer, and the Systems Architect. These mindsets help leaders build a shared language before they redesign work, talent, culture or technology. The conversation also explores the four-part journey of Future Work World: mindset, “meta waves”, the “mixing desk” of 16 innovation areas, and “move”, where immersive storytelling helps people emotionally connect with change. Barry shares how music, science fiction and nine fictional near-future vignettes shaped the book’s style. Aidan and Barry discuss “work type salads”, where organisations blend permanent employees, contractors, consultants, gig workers, temporary talent and specialist networks to create strategic advantage. They also explore “wisdom worlds”, using AI inference, immersive learning and tacit knowledge capture to build deeper organisational capability. The episode closes with Barry’s view of the shift from mono careers to poly careers, where individuals increasingly become the heroes of their own working lives and organisations become part of their journey. Chapters 00:00 Welcome and Guest Intro 00:58 Why Write This Book 01:36 Music and Storytelling Style 04:36 Mindset Comes First 05:34 Three Leadership Mindsets 11:13 Mixed Desk Equalizers 14:34 Meta Waves and Work Type Salad 18:30 Wisdom World and Skills Tech 22:25 New Hero Journey Careers 26:55 Where to Find Barry
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