Genocide and Beyond: A Conversation with OMER BARTOV & PENNY GREEN

In this episode on Speaking Out of Place podcast Professor David Palumbo-Liuand Azeezah Kanji are joined by state crime expert Penny Green and Holocaust historian Omar Bartov to discuss the applicability of the term genocide, the history of its framing, and ways of moving beyond genocidal dynamics.For weeks, hundreds of international law and genocide experts have been warning that the situation in Gaza is approaching or has become an active genocide, a conclusion very vociferously rejected by Israel and its allies.They examine how the term has circulated far beyond legal circles and taken on a particular affective power in the popular imagination. They consider how this language circulates in such a way to form a basis for acts of solidarity at the level of civil society to describe the horrors that people see before them. We consider how this massive protest at the level of civil society might be a more powerful means to move leaders than the implementation of law.www.palumbo-liu.comhttps://speakingoutofplace.comBluesky @palumboliu.bsky.socialwww.instagram.com/speaking_out_of_place