EPISODE · Aug 15, 2026 · 36 MIN
Get Off the Fence: Leadership, Climate, and the Choices We Avoid with Charlie Sheppard
from Beyond the Draft · host Immaculate Chinecherem
Charlie Sheppard is a professor of leadership, founder of World Bridge University, and biotech cofounder working on next-generation cancer therapies. He's the author of Get Off the Fence: You Matter More Than You Realize and the bestselling Save Your Drama for Your Mama, and he's known for creating the distinction between the reactive Drama Triangle and his Leadership Triangle framework.In this episode, Charlie explains why climate change became the issue that challenged him more than any other, what systems thinking actually means and why it matters for understanding complex crises, and how people can move from feeling powerless to reclaiming real agency. He also shares his work co-founding a biotech company developing a molecule aimed at making cancer survivable.What We Talked About:Why climate change became his defining challengeWhat systems thinking is and why it mattersMoving from Victim to Visionary in his Leadership TriangleReclaiming personal agency in the face of overwhelming issuesSeparating climate action from political identityHis biotech work developing cancer-fighting therapiesConnect with Charlie Sheppard:Website: linked on his profileBook: a.co/d/dRalmHPFacebook, Instagram & LinkedIn: linked on his profile
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