Get used to it: Trumpism with or without Trump

Why does President Donald Trump attack his opponents so viciously, sometimes using racist tropes? Because it’s effective. And Republicans know that. Our conversation with Shadi Hamid of the Brookings Institution is about Trumpism, norms and how it all fits into a political strategy. “I think you’ll have Trumpism without Trump to some extent at least, even if Trump is voted out of office in 2020," Hamid tells host Jason Dick. “Why? Because Trumpism is effective. And Republicans see that. And that’s why they’re so afraid, I think, to really stand up against Trump because they feel something intuitively and instinctively that the Republican base is changing. And this is what in part the Republican base wants and what they respond to." Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices