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EPISODE · Feb 27, 2026 · 59 MIN

Getting Taken Down is Cool & SOCAN vs. AI

from Upsample with Carson Tworow & Will Chernoff

let's talk about fully automated slopitalism and the threats to performance rights organizations & songwriters No episode 2 weeks from now (Mar. 13), we return later in March.(0:00) Music MCP (which got taken down)(8:40) SOCAN's AI policies & advocacy(36:23) "Pre-deplatformed" cool content(50:27) Dave King of The Bad Plus' rant(54:54) RecommendationsDarren Hemmings linking to Music MCP at Network NotesSOCAN "Stop Unlicensed AI Training" petitionRyan Broderick's story at Garbage Day: "The only taboo left is copyright infringement: the future of media is pre-deplatformed"Nate Chinen's interview at The Gig with Dave King and Reid Anderson of The Bad PlusRecs: Will - watch Sun Ra: Do The Impossible on PBS (if you can) and listen to the music of Sun Ra and his Arkestra,Carson - listen to The Call by BellbirdFIND US: Will -YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@williamchernoff/-Rhythm Changes: https://www.rhythmchanges.ca/ -Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/williamchernoff/Carson-YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ctworow/ -Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/ctworow.bsky.social/ -Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ctworow/ Hosted by Carson Tworow & Will Chernoff. Edited and mixed by Will Chernoff. A Chernoff Music podcast. Theme music by Carson Tworow.

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