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You need to get a better name. I'm not kidding Hey, welcome to the wish show. I am Castle your host. We are back for another episode It's actually a special episode and we've got a little bit different crew here tonight or today Because it's actually like one in the afternoon.

I think well about 130 to my left I would have got tennis log whisper what's happening to my right? We have a special guest host the butterscotch panda the one and only Greg Pascal. Hi everybody I'm finally on an episode. Oh goodness.

We got you clip in order place Well, see I came up to your house to record on your podcast and while I was there I invited you to come down to do this one with us He did and so we've got Greg with us. We've also got a special guest I'm just gonna go through first name is that all right. No, that's fine. I don't want Dave to get fired cuz I know where Dave works and When uh when the profits listening to this podcast and we get fired So we've got Dave and Laurie are with us And then kind of the special part about this episode besides Dave and Laurie in Greg Pascal Is we have Corey and Bobby with us and they are with the family tree restaurant that we talk about quite a bit on the podcast And we're actually at the family tree right now recording.

Um, so who knows you make it a cameo ebp in here if you do let me know But we're gonna talk a little bit about some of their experiences here at the restaurant and some of the history of the restaurant So we hope this is we hope this is an interesting episode And if it's not semi-mill we'll send Tim and speed over your house to dance to make up for it not being entertaining Well, yeah, because it is my fault. I'm the one to put this together I just want to ensure everybody right now that squeaking in the background that you might have heard already It's not paranormal. That's just the door to the restaurant. I actually wasn't recording for the squeaking Well, it happened again a It's happened a couple times.

Yeah, the squeaking is the it's them going in and out of the kitchen Yes, and we're actually back in the the banquet rooms. There's not other guests here But we're still right next to the kitchen. So you may get some some kitchen sounds But beaker the you know the mystery of it though could have been a little bit, you know better You know just leave everybody guessing what that noise was till they're here at the podcast I could have but I ruined it. Oh beaker.

I'm a buzzkill. Yes Well, you know we did have that EVP When brandy was whispering or something something on her phone that I've been eating if you'd I'm still kind of watching I think she does that a lot she'll she'll get bored because you talk too much and she'll show me stuff on her phone So I just heard my feelings that makes me sad. You don't have feelings. That's true So we had a little contest not to have a guest here with us And it was actually pretty hard.

We had it was a it was a it was a It was a no-biter. There was two really good emails and I'm gonna tell him right now I was outvoted. I actually voted for the other guy. You sure?

I know I hate you now. I was outvoted though It was like four to one on that one. So yeah, in fact, it was a it came down to Dave and Dave cracked me up because Dave actually is doing it figured out yet works for the earliest church I'm not gonna say much more than that because I don't want to get Dave in hot water But he said that when he's doing his his his churchly duties at work He actually listens to the podcast. He was pretty sure he's going to hell So if you're going to hell so if you're going to hell so I'm going I'm going on The other one the one that was really close is there was a gentleman who promised us world peace He described in great detail how How him coming on the show would actually change the events for the entire world and ultimately create a parallel universe where The entire team would see castle eating nothing but red velvet but for castle red velvet wouldn't exist And it was it was very tempting to bring him on but I could just see too many Issues if we made parallel universes.

I couldn't risk it. Sorry, man Especially because I killed off all the other Greg's from all the other universes exactly Gently we have gently on the show there were a lot of consequences and I wasn't quite prepared to deal with so we decided to go safe and just Tended on his way from the world peace. Yeah, we opted to send somebody to help I don't make Dave maybe Laurie Anyway, so as we were talking and eating lunch here with they've been Laurie They mentioned that they had lived in a haunted house and they had some stories to tell so let's actually start out with that If you don't mind Dave. Oh, yeah, no problem.

So shortly after I graduated from college We moved into sandy and we rented a house there and it was just a small little rambler The basement was unfinished and upstairs was all wood foreign. It's kind of nice little home I didn't notice anything I guess what I started noticing weird stuff happening when Kids are levitating off the bed by me. Yeah, exactly No I would wait. I woke up one morning about two in the morning and I heard laughing and playing with toys And i'm thinking oh damn kids are up.

What are they doing? And I got up after your boss. I use that language. Oh, sorry I walked into the rooms and I pounded open the door because I was so frustrated because they would get up often at night and I go and why are you doing up and my daughter's dead asleep in the bedroom?

So then I walked into net a bedroom when my other daughter was sleeping and she's dead asleep and I'm like, that's odd And so I didn't think much of it um until Worry, she has a sister that would come over to our house And she sometimes she would spend the night if uh if she was if we were doing something like whatever Um, she said the same thing happened to her. She got up sick that she was walking up six in the morning And she would um, she heard children laughing and toy being played with and she'd go in and said what are you guys doing up? And both of them were asleep and so No, I'm like that that seemed pretty odd And kind of smoky at the same time and um the other thing I think the other thing that uh, we noticed when we were there Uh, we would hear footsteps all the time Um, uh, there was wood pouring and you hear cracks and all that because of the heater and all that but um There were times where I'd be sitting on the couch when I was reading a book or whatnot And I would hear footsteps coming towards me and I'd sit up and I might what he'd do not have a bed and nobody would be there And loy would have the same thing too. Well or there was when the girls would talk about the witch in the basement They would always say that there was a witch in the basement and they wouldn't go down there and play because the witch would seem scary songs to them That was super creepy.

Um, my experience I had in that house was doing laundry in the basement There was there wasn't fully unfinished. There was this really creepy room that was finished with modge podge Like 70s wallpaper and we just stayed away from that room because it was really creepy we moved in but I'd be changing laundry and I'd bend over Did change laundry? There would be this presence of someone behind me And I didn't ever dare turn around and see what it was and it got stronger Like as time went on the presence was getting worse and worse and worse almost like it was kind of bothered that you weren't turning around Yeah, yeah, I was trying to taunt me like come on lady And then um we were in the storage room which was unfinished or I was by myself and um Just a very demonic sound was behind me like this horrible growl. It was very audible And I dropped what I had and went upstairs.

I was like I'm done It's totally freaks me out never doing laundry again, right? I'm never going to that storage room again And then um I was curling my hair in the bathroom upstairs and I heard my name and I'm like yeah And I heard my name again and I thought no one's here. I am totally here by myself I was done freaked out had it and then his sister had a really bad experience too. Yeah My sister we had her over one day to or one night to watch me kids and we were out on the day or whatever And we come home and she's standing up in the living room.

They're like what's going on? She's like um There's somebody in the kitchen. What? Uh there's somebody in the kitchen and she felt uh she was kind of smooth out because she would fill uh that somebody was watching her from the kitchen And she also had the same thing which I had where she put the kids in bed and an hour after she heard someone walking down the hallway and She thought kids are out of bed again and she'd go over there Expecting or she watched expecting them to come out of the hallway and nobody did so she'd get up and sure enough their their dead asleep still So, you know I have those experience at that sandy and I'm thinking oh I hope they're ghosts because I want those experiences I want spookiness because I feel like I'm the um like the fox molder who has the you know the poster of the uh UFO and so I want to believe you know I got that hanging up in my office I want those experiences as ghosts, you know, I so I think they're fun either uh you know I I'm Having that experience in sandy I it's probably what's haunted I didn't say everything that you're telling me kind of leads me believe that it was because that's actually A very common occurrence that people have when they talked about what's going on in their homes the creepy feelings Uh, it always sounds like they had at least a type two in the house.

Maybe a type three possible I'm gonna say based on what you're telling me. Yeah, I would say that too and possibly uh even children spirits I know that uh for instance I've got a couple children spirits in my home and I've like it too in the morning heard laughing and the hall I've been like what are those little kids doing like I'm also little bastards I don't know how you didn't say it but then said i said that anyway Um, and so you know I go look out in the hall and I'll be darned everybody's Sound asleep, and so I've had very similar experiences to that myself and it's it is kind of cool I'm not gonna lie, but it's kind of freaky at the same time Yeah, because I've had brandy who's normally a host on the show come in and tell me exactly who's in my house and what they're doing It's not that creepy for me just because I know Uh, but yeah I would I would love to go back and just knock on the door to the previous runner or the runners that are there now And just say hey, uh, yeah, you're weird things happening I mean it sounds creepy in that but I would love to see if anybody else who has rented there after us have If they've experienced anything like that, just give it the address. We'll knock on the door. We'll talk here.

Go's Yeah, we'll sit at the table with his brain young beard Can we come up to your house in the The address is I'm just just telling that Tim's a very good listener and he'll listen to all of your stories Yeah, all of your house is dirty though. Yeah, free therapy trash your damn house and i'll come listen to anything you have to tell me Yeah, well, we found that people come and talk to Tim and say I've never told anybody this before this happened twice this last week One guy at work. I never even met before started telling me his life story. I'm like, I'm sorry You know, Tim actually in my line of work next time I need to interview somebody who's like a suspect in a major crime I'm just gonna walk them in a room if you're really confess I've never told me this before I did touch those kids We know you're being recorded.

Uh gotcha Don't mind all these microphones. We're not recording So, um now Dave, you mentioned he had some questions for us that you've heard or that you've kind of put together from listening to the show Do you remember any of those off top your head? I'll consult the mighty iphone that I write the notes in it's not organized where he's got notes in his phone on Really, probably miss he has an iphone. No We're not getting into this are we no which car is yours outside the blue jeep No Be my car and we will not do bad things to the blue jeep I would listen to your guys's podcast and um as you guys are talking about the experiences you have of uh Spirit you've dealt with I would write down some questions that I just kind of want to figure out and get your eyes You guys it's explanation or your theories on stuff.

Um, I can't remember the most some of the stories you guys mentioned but um Um You guys say you you've dealt with kids spirits before is that correct? Yes. Yeah, yeah Um Some of these kids spirits you mentioned they they've had they they've ever did suicide or had Uh some kind of accidents. I don't know that we've ever run across the child's birth this quid suicide Are you or anything not that I'm aware of I do know the one that was at my friend's house out and draper His mom smothered him with a pillow.

I say we've had murder victims Um, but I don't know that we've run across children's suicides, which would be consistent because really child suicides are incredibly uncommon anyway Or some kind of dramatic death. That's unusual. Um You guys have mentioned that when they have died they they don't know what has happened Uh it depends from spirit to spirit. Sometimes they realize they're dead sometimes spirits don't realize they're dead But that's kind of across the spectrum from both children all the way to adults.

Yeah, um Now what's interesting and kind of what really We had kind of a contentious episode early on with regard to child spirits for those who've been listening for A couple years. We've been doing this podcast. Um, you toss predominantly LDS. I know that you're LDS day by mlds Um We're not sure what Tim is.

Just about rubber LSD LSD I know that Greg's got no I follow the church of the flying spaghetti monster. Yes. I know that Greg's got a little bit of an LDS background. I'm not sure where Greg's it's these days.

I know yeah these days my church is the back of my eyelids That's where I worship But it's interesting because I've had some really I don't want to say heated debates because they've not been Heffa's the only one who got really Worked up about it. I guess it's probably the way to say it. Um, I know your sister, uh, had some issues with child spirits. Yeah, and I know chunga has as well Um From an LDS church standpoint they teach that all spirits were basically In their prime as adults before they came here and that after they die they go back to that state And I would agree with that when a spirit is passed If the spirit doesn't cross or crosses, I mean not passed if the spirit doesn't cross they generally stay in the form They were at when they died.

Um, and so if the spirit crosses if a five-year-old dies and crosses They will be that 25-year-old or whatever you consider prime to be spirit in appearance if they don't cross they generally stay In that five-year-old state or eight-year-old state whatever the state was It's like my aunt who has been attached to my dad ever since she passed away. She still looks like she was seven Uh, I've personally seen her in my kitchen, um, but she passed probably good 60 years ago But she still looks like a seven-year-old little girl right and it's kind of interesting because and I'm hoping it riffle feathers when I say this After religious standpoint, there's the word damned and damned basically just means stopped And if you think about it if you're a spirit and you die like I'm gonna say your aunt is damn sure for a minute and don't punch me But she dies at seven and she stays in that form in essence She has stopped her progression right there and so she is and I'm using my air quotations In a sense damned because she's stopped her progression But again that eventually, you know when she chooses to cross or you know other religious events happen then that progression will begin again So So when that happens, I mean, I guess the question is is how do how do they not know that they have died Or that they haven't crossed over I mean, well in the instance of my aunt, she's fully aware that she's dead Um, I think that there was just something that told her that she needed to stay with my dad He was only three at the time she was seven and like said she's been with him Watching over again making sure that he's all right There's been a couple of times like my dad has a sleep apnea and he's a machine He's got the Darth Vader mask or whatever CPAP? Yeah, the CPAP She's actually told brandy that sometimes at night when my dad stops breathing She actually holds his mouth open and helps him breathe even when the machine's not working So she's fully aware of what's going on Um, I know there are some child spirits that are just there they were afraid to cross over or like, you know Sometimes they need their parents to go with them So they're it's like it's like with my aunt She knows that I think she knew that she was supposed to stay here She was supposed to watch them with my father But that was like a seven forty nine with Christian and Jessica I think it was just a lack of guidance They didn't have someone there with them to help them cross over And in reality most spirits kind of fall into that same category I mean, there's a thousand one reason why a spirit may choose not to cross Some is because they've led kind of a shifty life for a lack of a better term and someone that the opportunity comes to cross they go I just stay here Um, and some like Tim said are just scared they see the bright light and they're like Um, I'm not sure where that goes. I'll just stay here That's gonna be the case most child spirits And I think that's like Tim said, I think it's just a lack of guidance We'd run across very very few spirits very few spirits that don't actually realize that they've passed away That's like the residual ones that are just kind of on a loop Those are usually the only ones that don't realize across and it's kind of rare we come across a residual Most of them figured out pretty quick that they've passed away So I have a question going off of that when you're saying these kids aren't sure to go on alone You hear so many stories and I deal with death With my profession and you hear so many stories of people talking about the people in the room that are with them You know, they've come to take them home or whatever So how in this case, you know, are they too scared to go over?

Are they not recognizing who these people are? Is that why they're not going to what's your just opinion on that? It's a possibility in my opinion like say you have a someone dies when they're five Um, most likely their parents are still alive Yeah, and they're not gonna know Sometimes when I can get another grandparents or anybody else it's already passed over because they're at such a young age So there could be some of their waiting for them stranger danger exactly They're just they're not aware of who the person is they're not familiar with them So they're just kind of standoffish that's I mean, you know how kids are Yeah, and there's instances too like Tim talked about We run across it quite a bit where a spirit is chosen not to cross Because they're waiting for somebody who's still here Okay, um, for instance, we talk about Annie on the podcast quite a bit Which is Brandi's great grandmother and Annie is here because she is watches out for Brandi Got it and so Annie hasn't crossed because she's A guardian for lack of a better term for Brandi. It's not that Annie did anything that she's freaked out to cross over four She just feels that she needs to stick around and watch over her Pause her, she's ready to go over until she's ready And so there's a lot of different reasons I mean, it's not just because someone's done something bad that they're scared to cross over That's one of the reasons but there's as many reasons as there is to do anything ever And so yeah, if you have a child spirit crosses mom and dad or she'll hear they may go But my mom and dad are right there.

I know, you know, and they stick around and then After a while, I honestly think and I don't know To the pain is on this is if the spirits been around for a long time They tend to sometimes just get lost We've run across that where we found child spirit search kind of like that they're not where they belong there And they're you know, where's my mom at? Well, dude, you're not even in the right statement Yeah, it's like going back to my friend's house and draper the little boy there was from Mississippi He said he went for a walk. I mean, he knew he was dead But he was just kind of out for a walk and next I know he was at that house just to clear across the country So One last question regarding the crossing people over you've mentioned you have helped spirits cross over correct. Yes How do you how do you know that's actually happened or kind of give us a broad understanding of the process of that because that's that's kind of interesting to me Um, what there's several different ways it can happen the easiest one and the one that we use 99% of the time Brandy who's our medium and most mediums can do this And she's tried to explain to me how to do it and I don't know if I have been successful or not I know the spirit that I was trying to cross to not cross I don't know if that's because the spirit chose not to or because I just wasn't able to do what needed to be done But basically when Brandy does it she if you were there watching what happened.

She basically nails down Brandy's very religious. So she kind of says a prayer before she does it She closes her eyes and basically she visualizes opening up a big bright white portal of light and I know that for her it's very Straining what's a good word to him it takes a lot of effort for her taxing Yeah, it's taxing that she I mean she can only hold it open for so long and when and she can actually feel when the spirit goes in Described it to me is you know, it's gonna be hard to hold up in the portal light And when it goes through when the spirit goes through you're gonna feel a change And then at that point you can close the portal light and basically and it has it's how it's been explained to me by a couple of different mediums That I've talked to and worked with is that when you die there is a big bright white portal of light for all of us But it's not there all the time. It's there for a short period after you die The general kind of consensus that I've heard roughly three days and after that a Period of time has passed it goes away and at that point if you haven't taken it by then you're kind of stuck here And that somebody can help you oh, yeah, that's what it's gonna ask is if they chose not to go then you kind of miss the train unless somebody's able to So when I die just head towards the light and towards the Light I'm doing I'm running past yeah, I say I've dealt with enough dark spirits that I suspect that my either is gonna be a big mob of them with Pitchworks losing Larry standing there with Billy. I'm out.

Yeah, I'm gonna have to run so I'm gonna get beat to death again So yeah, so that's kind of how that happens And it's interesting because you can actually for me and I don't know how to for tim But a lot of times when that's happened you can feel a change in the place The energy that you can feel before the crossing is Gone um and so usually there's like a feeling of peace Afterwards if you want to if you ever talked to a mara with the life on the rocks She was actually there. We were at her house and we crossed the spirit there and she felt the whole thing It was really neat experience for her. It actually kind of brought her to tears Because she said that when the little boy who was in her home and I've got a really good EVP him In fact speaking which i'm putting EVPs up on the wis website Probably before this will air so go look at the 2016 EVPs and that will be up there I'll make sure it's clearly labeled so that everybody knows what it is But as he passed through to find his mom she felt an overwhelming sense of joy basically not that brought her to tears And she could kind of sense that mom was there waiting when he crossed And so that's kind of how that happens and sometimes when we run into a place You know you'll run into a spirit and hey, do you want to cross and sometimes they're like, yeah, you know, I Missed my boat and I've been hearing it sucks and yeah, we cross Secret location. Yeah, I just I just randomly said all right who wants to cross raise your hand and there was literally Randy said 14 spirits to raise their hand.

I just posed my mind that if you don't do it You must that opportunity? I just well like I mentioned before and I Is interesting because the other day I can like you know that that fits the definition of damned because your progression stops And they basically are here all progression has stopped until I mean if you want to get religious until basically the second coming of Christ Or somebody can come cross you over one of the two your progression has come to a screeching halt And I think a lot of spirits they miss that window and they hang out for years and years and decades and sometimes centuries and they're like oh, man Every day is the same thing then It doesn't necessarily exist for them. So right, but I still imagine that after a while they're like oh my gosh This is so stupid. I'm just here doing nothing accomplishing nothing And so I think after a while they realize it's time to well, let's let's kill you and then wait a couple years and then see how you Don't tell you how it goes.

Yeah, let us know So okay, so when you're saying that you went into the room and like 14 people raise their hand Do you feel like these spirits kind of find each other and congregate together to give each other? I'm stuck here support You know, that's actually a good question. I don't know that I've got a good answer for you I don't know that I've got a good answer to me. I don't I don't know.

Yes. Um, I know there are certain locations going like the one we're in That's why the two twenty dollars might stop. I know like venues that we're in right now the family tree There's a considerable amount of spirits here. So I don't know if they do find certain places where they really where there's a lot of spirits And they're like oh, hey, there's people can hang out with sometimes it's just a place that they were familiar with when they were alive That's honestly a question.

I don't know. Maybe that's something that we should start looking into as we do our investigations Maybe a question to start asking I'm looking at him as I say that because everyone was like, okay, but everyone was just like what they'll eat. I'm gonna forget That's why I'm telling me. Um, yes We have we have two little kids spirits here that we had we've had for years and years and years I can't remember what their name is name was well.

They were no it was two before we crossed over probably like a year ago But supposedly they didn't know each other in life But they met in death and the one little boy was crossed over and could go but he wouldn't because he he was watching after this little girl who was stuck I can't remember what their names was it was here for years and years and I'm having a brain fart, but Yeah, so the one little girl was like stuck here, but they didn't they said they didn't know each other in life They met after they died, but he was super protected. They were like siblings like in the after death, you know what I mean? And so yeah, there there could be some that congregate become friends But it's interesting because some are like yes, get me the hell out of here and they're ready to cross and there's others who are like still really apprehensive You know, we get talked to him like, you know, they really need to cross and it's not something you can force somebody to do I mean you can't take away somebody's for choice or free will but you're like, why didn't you cross? Well, because the light was scary.

It's not that scary you're supposed to cross. Okay, you want to cross? Yeah, I want to cross and you open the light and they stand and look at it kind of go Um, and there's been instances and Tim can attest to this where we've actually had to sit there and do a 10 minute pep talk Super secure location. Yeah to basically get spirits to the Elijah and April.

We actually the Elijah was a little boy And he was I think the Bart we've talked about him yeah convinced this little boy that he was his friend I remember when I was talking up to that crossing over to this little boy that I said if you cross over you can He lies from him. Yes, I lied a lot to this little child spirit But it was it was for a good cause I told him you know, like what's your favorite animal and he said a lion I said well if you go through the light that will open for you can have a pet lion and brandy here so many Randy here is from the back on the other side of the building. Bart going I can get you a lion Yeah, and so it took probably a good 10 minutes to get Which is funny is like he finally crossed but the the other girl April did ult she refused to go for some reason I'm not exactly sure why and so there's been times where we run across the spirit that you know kind of needs to be crossed And they need a little bit of an encouragement because they're they're scared or they don't know And you know there's an instance and I think Tim was on me or No Tim was on an investigation with me Did you do the mass murder house with me Tim? Yes, we did a house where there had been a mass murder suicide in this home Yeah, and the actual I don't think spirits like it when he comes chicken chips No, they don't But the father in the home had basically killed his children and a couple other adult family members and his wife across But everybody else was still there all the children were there the other adults were there and halfway through the investigation We figured out he was there And we got the children and the innocent adults crossed over Basically the children were kind of confused to know what to do And so one of the other adults in the home stayed behind to kind of watch over them and protect them We'll halfway through the investigation the murderer actually showed up And it was things that got to a good start, but we eventually surprisingly were able to convince him to cross near the investigation I think that took like an hour it took like an hour and in all reality I don't envy him.

We'll wait at him on the other side of crossing. You know ultimately it's still good for him It's good for everybody to cross really but you know to get him out of there was Uh, it needed to happen because basically some people had come in and just bought this home after the incident occurred And they're getting ready to move their family and want to make sure there was nothing Bad left behind which is why we got called in in the first place and But again, even an individual who'd killed five or six people We were able to get him to cross it just it took a lot of work to convince him that that's what needed to happen So was was peaches there helping you so you would know if he's crossed or not? We actually had peaches and a bee. Yeah, we actually had two mediums on that particular case Um, we actually peaches was there with us initially and then the The murder actually had known uh, bee and when he was alive and so it was her who's able to actually convince him Because she knew enough about him and his personal life to say the things that he needed to hear to to move on Um, ultimately all spirits are supposed to cross it's just many choose not to and you know not to get two deep in spirits All human spirits and not to get too deep into the scriptural woods But I mean I can actually show scriptures that actually when you look at him You're like, oh, they make a lot more sense in light of the conversation we're having Um, and Not I don't want to get too religious on the podcast just because we have such a white audience But if you guys are like, oh, yes, I'll I think we've counted three because there's one here right now Oh my god I think we're up to six now.

I think I counted six listeners Um But yeah, there's actually some scriptural references if you guys are interested in those I can show you guys after uh, the podcast So, uh, why the big reason we're here, uh, and Corey and Bobby are probably early going white on earth Are they doing the sticks? They haven't talked to us yet. We invited you on the show so we can ignore you It's all good. All right, so we are at the family tree and uh, and by the way, Dave You are welcome to chime in and ask any more questions as we go through you as well great.

Yeah. Oh, sorry. I was taking an app when He's finding his religion. Yeah, as soon as he starts with the scriptures, I'm like Yeah, as soon as uh, as soon as the church brings a great idea and just down his own doubt and it's not where there's no No, now when you start talking football.

Oh wait, you don't like football. I start checking out There's very few things that sign on the wall there. I just want to cut the bottom half of it off I take it home and throw on your wall. Oh hell no I think the only good thing to do with the BYU flag is burn it University Utah BYU flag it's like a one flag with both school logos on BYU is on the bottom half so family tree I had to clarify that since you're talking about it so listeners knew what to I know I like the different Again mystery.

Come on. See see Greg. I'm not ready. I wasn't on the radio.

So I don't know about these fancy We don't know what we're doing. Yeah, totally. I need to come down and I need to I need to learn you some stuff I guess so okay. So we're here with Corey and Bobby We're nice enough to let us set up down here at the restaurant and talk with them and they fed us food It was delicious by the way.

Oh, you're buying my lunch by the way Are you the single guy shouldn't you be buying all of our lunches? Lori makes a good point No, I say all in favor Tim buying us all lunch I Yeah, anyway So we decided to come down the family tree and we talked about the family tree quite a bit because we investigate here quite a bit And this place has got an amazing history. It's amazingly haunted A lot of good stuff. There's some creepy stuff here.

The restaurant has been featured on the dead files and ghost adventures Bobby has been interviewed. I think I'm both shows is that right Bobby? Yes, sir. Um, and Corey were you interviewed on either show?

Yeah, I didn't make the cut No dead files I got interviewed and then I didn't make it on it You know, I think we're actually sitting at the exact same table that y'all did the say on set Those adventures. Yeah, I need it move That's right. I remember I actually bought that episode on the voodoo so I could see it because I was curious since I investigate here so often Um, anyway, this how long is this restaurant been in the family or this building the restaurant's been here for over 40 years now Or 40 years. Yeah, and how long have you guys known it's been haunted ever since we was like five years old Six we used to come up here after school in uh, do boxes and pill potatoes That's when we first started hearing stories from my mom my grandma and hearing things Moved and go bumping all that So let me ask and right off the bat.

I'm just gonna I'm gonna get right to the meat and potatoes this whole thing I'm gonna ask you guys each this question separately Bobby what has been the freakiest thing that has happened to you since you've been involved with this building? whale How there's a few things um sure I'm all the old man that followed me home without the first time I've had something Actually touched me physically. Um, and I've told that story a lot on the dead files and those adventures But something that I haven't told anybody I'm here Several my mom because I was working with her that day. Um, I was waitressing and I thought we had a gas Like because something was affecting my entire body and my head and like I just wasn't there And I told my mom was a good thing that I knew that I've wait just here for so long because I I just went with it I was so busy out front that I couldn't stop myself.

I just kept going and working Um, but I was it was like I was huffing gas like I was not something something was messing with my energy big time Um to where we even called the gas company to come and check for leaks and they couldn't find anything Then once the four o'clock wait just got here to relieve me and still he went away. No, it's fine I can see the quest I go. No, no gas leaks, but demon activity here That's a like I've never told anybody that one because I've thought about it so much like could something really I just kept blowing it off as no No, I was just going crazy. I was busy.

Maybe I needed water. Maybe but the more I think about it the more There was something messing with me for hours. It was hours worth And how about you? Cori what has been some some of your more interesting experiences here?

Okay, so My first one is um, it was right after the dead files aired and this indian kind of Sneaked her way and like act like a customer ate and then went to her car and got a bunch of stuff But started pulling solid around dinging bells like doing stuff that we've never seen I was just like, okay, whatever Middle of the day. Well that same day I got a package in the mail with some ghost equipment So I brought some of my nieces and nephews up to test it out so I could figure out how it worked or whatever And we were sitting at the table like the big table kind of underneath the streetlight So there's a little bit of light it wasn't too dark, but my son had a bunch of equipment in his hand We was also just sitting there in a circle around the table and all the sudden everything he had flashlight Everything that was in his hand just dropped on the table and he just started solving and I was like what happened and he's like Something entered my body. I couldn't I couldn't tell you I couldn't do anything about it Until it you know tell left and I mean just sobbing so I was like, okay, this ain't funny. Everybody get yourself Let's go never ever had a bad experience here I mean there's always lots and lots of spirits, but never anything like that So I was like what the heck so we leave come in the next morning I tell Bobby what happened and stuff we start vacuuming out cracks trying to undo everything that the indian had done And I called her she came up with a couple of things a few weeks later that I had to do with my son Said that he um Had a crack in his aura from the father figure which I just started to divorce so it all made sense So that was probably the freakiest because affected my son plus it was a negative experience that I'd never experienced here Um, the other one was probably in the regular bathroom like where he sees that where he got scratched or whatever So if I can I'm just gonna interject here for those who never been to the restaurant There's actually two sets of bathrooms.

There's what Cory's talking about which is a regular bathroom Which if you walk in the front lobby, they're right there, uh, I'll refer to them as the fancy bathrooms Now the restaurant's bisected by the kitchen and there's actually a banquet room Which is not connected to the rest of the restaurant and back there. There's also two restrooms Uh the men's room in the lady's room in the lady's room back here where we're at is or we're not in the lady's room Except for Tim every now and then we need to do well. You know, I said last time I was here I felt like I was in the ladies room because I went in the men's room and there was a box of tampons and the toilet They love us for you But the ladies room here in the back is particularly creepy anyway, sorry, go ahead. No, okay, so um I was doing a ghost and I had two mediums here that night So I split them up one on the one side of the restaurant the other one in the west room So one medium in the regular dining room one in the west room because I didn't know how their energy would like if it was mess with each other I didn't know Anyway, so my recorder goes dead So I'm walking through the kitchen.

I have my flashlight propped at like about chest length by where my chest is and I hit the doorway and the bathroom doorway over there like lights up and I could tell there was something in the doorway So I shine my flashlight on it literally there's a guy at the time I all I could like I was shaking so bad and stuff that I couldn't even explain it But I was like he was wearing like a black hoodie and it kind of covered his face a little bit Just went down But I could see his eyes and he was about the height of the doorway super super slender looked like almost like death coming to collect somebody and not good a good spirit but um I sat there I made eye contact with him for probably like 20 seconds and anybody who knows the spirit eye contact That's a long time for it to have eye contact with the spirit But I felt like about an hour and a half. Oh it was days I was just like and I was just you know stop I was just like what the heck so as soon as I I Like turned it to my right to make sure that the six people that was sitting there was still sitting there They're all right there and I went back up and there was and he was gone But it was weird because I could tell he was negative But I also it was like he was making a statement to me without saying a word He was like I'm here. I know you're in charge of this girl stuff. I don't care if anybody else sees me here I want you to see me so that you know I'm here I'm in charge.

I'm the main man That's like that's what the feeling was and it was it was freaky But after a while and I could get you know pulled myself together a little bit I was kind of like a cloak like it just hung over him kind of came down on his forehead a little bit He was freaky though He was probably because I've seen a few spirits like solid as you are I just standing there That looks just like you are I but he was whole different about him none of them have ever made eye contact tell him Let me ask you to tell me physical flaws that you can remember No, the only thing I remember is his skin was super super super pale his face was pretty skinny That's all I can remember in his eyes Are you asking for physical flaws to make yourself feel better? Yes, okay. Just had to make sure no It's the reason I actually ask is um non human spirits. We've never had a physical body cannot Reproduce the appearance of a human form without some flaw I mean they may appear to be human, but they may be missing a finger or may have a deformity or there's something off That'll always be something missing or incorrect as they try and reproduce a human form Um, I think the fact that he almost pretty much looked like a skeleton might be yeah, I was gonna say yeah It still sounds and it's interesting because I don't know if Tim's thinking this but Tim and I have investigated probably unless more than you have Cory Actually, not the first time I've heard of that spirit say that description sounds very familiar They were standing in that back hallway there with the door outside In fact if it if it rings true to and correct me if I'm wrong to him, it almost sounds like Lucy's boss Yeah, that's one of the they were calling zozo But if you listen to our last episode which at the point this airs will be two episodes go the pub of the clown Um zozo's not real, but we definitely think that that's more or less her her boss like kind of checking up on her Yeah, and so that's and when you say you felt like you saying he's in charge Yeah, that would be consistent with what we have heard about this particular spirit And that's that's exactly what I was gonna say is the time that I seen him was the very first time he was seen But that's exactly it's like he knew I was in charge of ghost town stuff.

He didn't care What anybody else seen or knew about him? He wanted me to know you know, I think you're actually about how long ago was this? Probably about two years ago now. Okay, so it's been a couple years Yeah, because we had went up to fit finches cemetery and then came here to do a ghost town So I was thinking got to the follow follow us from the cemetery, you know, I didn't understand but he stuck around so you know It's funny about that is uh, we started investigating here almost exactly two years ago I think it was two years last September.

Yeah, I think you're right after you back look at it Because it was right after I got attacked at the Zion building about two weeks after that So it was two years ago in September when we started investigating here So it's I think it's really interesting that when you first saw this guy Uh, it's right about the same time we started coming down here and investigating Not to make anybody upset where your body bets tennis fault Quite possibly I've been touched by the devil So give us a little bit of history about the bill you know, you talked about it on some of the shows like dead files Tell us a little bit about what you know about the bill I love this thing they're doing over there. It was like they're pointing the microphone to each other like fighting I don't want you talking Well, no we've had to do that with other shows. It's like, okay, you do the history. I'll do this How about you know, I'm gonna do this After muting to get up his mic Tennis law blisters ladies and gentlemen tennis law blurs Tim if you need to you can share my mic Because we're not using it.

There we go. He's sleeping Oh, you told the snuggling that's ensuing and it's not from the sisters It's not and it's not like hot snuggling either There's lots of weird groping going on too. I don't know what that's all about but uh, anyway, sorry I'm on my quest no touching with the swimming suit covers. We'll be all right Does Tim wear a girls or a male swimming suit?

Oh, do you even have to ask girls? Like 1930s swim out fits are you talking about like on ourselves or on other people? Well, I think about all right, so let's talk a little about the history of the restaurant here Okay, go ahead. I'll be well my grandpa built the restaurant part about 40 years ago originally for a sporting goods store And then after he passed away in 84, I believe my grandma turned into a restaurant And the area that we're at right now my grandpa had as a bar before At the same time as a sporting goods store before that it was a post office bus station The mechanic shop for a model t-ford place.

Um, the basement used to be a restaurant a long long time ago Um, they also did boxing matches in the basement. I don't know if I'd eat food in that basement I know it but there really was a restaurant that you could see the wallpaper around the top edges That was from the restaurant. Yeah for those who've never been here. You need to come here on a ghost hunt But the basement here is super extra creepy, you know, or just to come either food is awesome.

Yeah, or just I have the food is awesome. I read you Well, can I say that's one of the things is like everything that she just explained everything's always been a place of gathering So we kind of just assume that growing up with how it's been so haunted and stuff that in life It's always been a place of gathering for people to come to and you know, enjoy each other or whatever bars and restaurants and whatever And we figured that's just what was happening in death like spirits were just coming here to hang out and that no clue And that's actually consistent with a lot of what we found that we found Investigating is that a lot of time spirits you choose not to cross go where they're most comfortable So if it was a bar if it was, you know back in the days when your grandfather has this as a sporting goods store I'm sure it's the kind of place where you don't just I mean that is you go to Walmart grab a tent or something off the shelf Now you go back in those days you go in grab a tent You talk to the owner because your friends with them and two or three other people come in and say hi and grab a cup of coffee And so even then that would still be more of a gathering place back in those days than yeah What we think of these days and so yeah, that's a good very well be why a lot of spirits have congregated here Yeah, bus stops. I mean everything, you know So now it's really two separate buildings. It's been converted to one is that correct?

Yes And really I guess the way the block is lined out It's kind of it's one of those old-fashioned kind of main streets where all the buildings are connected by a wall pretty much down the block for the most part Um So when did you guys start doing the ghost hunts? How we've done them for years and years but it would be like a group would get a hold of us and want to come in It was like a big thing my grandma would come up because we was like holy cow I can't believe these guys want to come let's see what they get you know It was all exciting because it would be maybe one or two a year Um, but it's been happening for at least 15 years. Yeah, it's about when my mom Um bought it from her brother that we started really getting heavy into the ghost stuff Now what kind of activity do you guys noticed? Not just on the ghost hunt but just in the restaurant in general I guess what kind of tipped everybody off to the fact it was haunted Uh things flying off the counters, um The mixers turning on on the realm.

That's a lot of the stories from my grandma back in the day There's one with from my mom when it was a bar There's a truck parked out in the back parking lot and the owner was sitting at the bar with his keys And the truck started up and ran through the back of the building Um So I don't think they thought haunted back then but that's just more stories that my mom Just kind of added up the holy crap that this was going on for a long time Um, but mostly machines turning on things falling off the counters the bells ringing the clock's going backwards Yeah, there are any like unusual stacking of things. Oh, yeah There's one my mom long long time ago. She walked in um satter person on the kitchen table walked into the dining room And then walked back into the kitchen and there was three chairs stacked on top of the table and her purse was stacked on top of the chairs So she ran out the front door and waited for the cook to get her Which which begs another very interesting question and I know that we've had some experiences How many times have you guys each personally decided just to get the hell out of dodge and call it a night here at the building? Um, Corey does a lot of things.

What happens a lot with me? I kind of just toughened it out. You got to finish your job, Corey She's a different story. Yeah, you have that no I'll show you attitude like you're not gonna push me out of anywhere And I'm just like wait would you say all right later?

I'm out. I'm a chicken I just know one of our first investigations in 10 contestants is that about halfway through the night I look around to find myself and Twitter investigators here and the rest of the entire team not only out of the restaurant But across the highway I had to go retrieve the rest of the team I still have that on video of me running across the tree following brandy and pretty sure I said I'm getting F out of here Well, it's funny to me when people say move something and do this and then they do it and everybody runs It's like you just ask them to do this for you. So what are you running scared, you know? So now that you guys have got the ghost hunts going on a regular basis, how did you guys would you say you guys do ghost hunts here?

Uh lately it's been a couple of months, but there was a little break for me for a while So I don't know how long or how much I was doing but I mean it's usually at least two a month Okay, and what what's some of the more common that can be you guys see when you guys do your ghost hunts? Oh god, it's hard for me to say because I've literally been off for a year and a half until the last two weeks Yeah, we talked about Ashley before on the on the podcast and Ashley has I'm using my air quotations again retired from the ghost hunts And is now working somewhere else and so Cory picked back up when Ashley left So Cory has been kind of out of the the loop for a little bit, but she's just got back into it Yeah, it's a hard thing even the last couple weeks like I don't know what spirits to talk to I don't know what Know what the environment's like up here like I feel like I'm having to refigure all out again Like hey, what is it even is it my more negative fill? It's the Indians been taking over lately I don't know is it too territorial men gone and it's just been a fun house around here My mom said just barely it was like last week. She said Uh, your next ghost hunt you need to talk to the spirits and find out I guess they went into the one bathroom in the morning and all they could smell was wheat like freshly smoked weed Blasted for like that was too She said it lasted for like four hours at least and she's like Uh, she was on the in the kitchen and she was like Said I said something and she said all the sudden she heard a lady playing as they say mine Like really loud so she's like you need to go up and find out who the lady is that's making it smell like weed I mean there was even a couple of employees that I called him was like if you guys did it go I smoked weed you need to tell me the truth and I was like, no, I swear to god.

I swear to god But I don't know We'll see I'm gonna ask on the next ghost hunt and I have a question for you ladies if you don't mind me hopping and asking okay So one thing I'm kind of curious about too is have you ever had any patrons who are just here to eat food And you know, that's all they're intending to kind of they're not expecting any kind of haunted activity where while they're eating They either have experienced something or have seen something and they've told you guys about it Has that ever happened just during the day? Yeah, I had one I was waiting on a table of four It was kind of by the bathrooms out front and I could see into the the back dining room out there And I was taking their order and there was a high chair with a red booster seat sitting on top of it And all of a sudden the red booster seat goes flying off the high chair and I looked at a girl that was facing that direction I was like, did you just see that? She's like, oh my god, yes But that's the first time I've actually seen it with a customer at the same time. Yeah, nice It was cool.

I'm still waiting for my experience is my first time here. So oh just wait, we'll go downstairs Well, what this is all over we're taking to the basement So now I know the ghost adventures have been here in the death house has been here Um, we've been to other places where they have investigated and we've gotten stories about You know staff members asked to yank strings and bass and asked if that EVP's they could use for their episode Basically for an act better term fabricating evidence to make for some good TV Um, when zach backins and those guys were here, um, what would how did that go? Do they fabricate stuff was that episode legit? What is your guys's opinion based on your experience?

Uh with them coming down I my opinion I think they did really well with it Uh, they they didn't edit too much really Um, even our little saions in the back like everything that happened it was I mean it by minute exactly what happened like they it was way better than the dead files definitely So and I know you guys mentioned that the dead files you felt like they For lack of better term, did you guys wrong? What was your experience with with the dead files? How did that go down and what what things did they do poorly? What things did they do good?

Well, they were good at um getting kind of figuring out who was here But then when she was giving us advice on how to get rid of them and we started doing that stuff and they came back for the revisited That's when they turned us into um Hateful little people that wanted to just keep souls in our building forever. Um, and that's not even what we told them in front of the camera What we told them was totally different than what they played on tv Well, and what she told us off-camera she told her my mom this is impossible to clear this building She said you would have to have like three what did she say like three of every religion here at the exact same time and blah blah and she's like it's an impossible task and she said and even after that you'll never get rid of all of them Yeah, but then they leave and then want to do a revisit it and they're like hey We realized we left you guys kind of looking negative So if you let us come back Will help you save your customer base or whatever let them come back and they literally like put words into everybody's mouth Everybody's so did they do that? I guess they're creative editing. Yeah.

Oh, yeah There were some parts it was like I don't remember saying that but I think they pieced it together to where it made a sentence Look like I said it, but I don't remember saying it that way I honestly think the funniest part was when you said when they have you seen I will never go in that building again Or something like that and yeah, you was the one that opened all by yourself Yeah, I'm not scared of the building or the spirits They can get pretty creative with the the way they edit stuff and make it sound like you've said something completely different Yeah, what's coming to mind right now is the old Simpsons episode where Homer's trying to grab the candy And uh, maybe sort of thinks he's trying to sexually assault interviewing home or anything sweet candy and they edit it so sweet sweet can you see the clock up on the wall like bounce around So now you mentioned uh You know, they said they tried to save your customer base has any that has any of those shows affected your customer base is that? I think I think there's been a few customers that truly believe that every every single thing that they've seen on tv Is the 100% truth like so I think there's some people that's like no, I won't go in there That's way too crazy stuff, but in a lot of ways it's brought a new crowd to us So, I don't know well, I know that we talked about you guys quite a bit on the podcast I know that we've come down here. I'm not gonna lie. I never eaten here before we started ghost hunting and now I know that I come down here quite a bit So if you could do those shows again, do you guys think you're doing?

Or do you guys think you tell them to not dead files? Yeah, not not that way But those adventures. Yeah, that's weak enough to sound that's that's what wait wait stuff Well, because it goes adventures. They did like the stuff that we do they had their equipment they investigated they were talking to the spirits It wasn't just about what the library can tell you have who's been on the land, you know, like they're actually Like the real evidence, you know, like what we all do So now I know we've kind of talked a little bit about some of the scariest things that have happened to you guys some of the freakiest things Uh, and I don't know maybe these are the exact same experiences But what are some of the coolest things that you guys have experienced while being here as far as just I think I think mine would probably be the first time I started hearing Kimber Because I was sick.

So I just got surgery and some happened with the plumbing on the one side So me and a friend came over I was just laying on the booth because I was thinking he was trying to get it fixed or whatever And all of a sudden you heard this little girl just start singing like the happiest Cheerful little girl and it was like 11 30 or midnight and I was like, hey, nobody's gonna be walking by with a little girl that happy at midnight So I sat up like and I was like, what did she say? And she just started going again And I think it was about a week later me and my mom was in the kitchen in the middle of the day I think it was like three o'clock and all of a sudden i'm getting ready to walk out walk out the door and um all of a sudden You hear this little girl like happy as can be start almost like she was telling us the story She was like And me and my mom we couldn't even be like do you hear that we both just stopped and looked at each other and kept going and going and going But it was just like the happiest just she was it was story time. She was telling us the story. It was super cool That was mine.

Yeah, and this is at your house or here. That was here in the kitchen. Okay. Yeah, you know It's interesting you say that before Bobby starts on hers because we've been here before and with brandy our medium and kimber likes to sing because If you actually go and watch my video that I put together from this place towards the end of the video you can actually hear kimber humming.

It's kind of cool Yeah, I just remember one that brand is like oh my gosh. I wish you would shut up She keeps singing that same song over and over and over it's driving me nuts Um, so that's kind of why you say that that you heard her singing because brandy has experienced that that it was driving or not because it was continuous and nonstop. I wonder what song it was For real of a bit. It was the same one I heard it was entertainment by metallica Yes, let the bodies before So how about you Bobby?

Well for me is um when you get confirmation from the spirit Like I've had things knocked off the shelf on me before and I stood there staring at it It's like was that really just you and then something else go flying off the shelf Um to where you know, you're not crazy and you're really like wow there's actually somebody here right now talking to me Um, there's one time a long time ago me and my sister and my mom We did a sleepover up here with all the grandkids had ice cream and slept over out front and Corey set up with the boys late at night Knocking on the the wall to get a response and she was getting knocks back on the wall and the kids like they're excited about it They were so excited that somebody's actually talking to us so seeing like my kids now see that there's something out there I think it's cool. It opens up their mind a lot. So you guys I just talked to you guys you guys been growing up with this since you guys were just Little then yeah, oh yeah, so okay. So let me ask you this Um, I have got a daughter who is 12 years old and she is dying to come out and go since I told her not till she's older Um since you guys seem to have a lot of experience with it as kids and with kids What are your thoughts on children being involved in this at all not a chance Back in the day when it was all just more positive and uplifting, you know, because we would like to see what this story She was talking about I turned it into a game with all spirits I was like, okay, we're gonna get us who you're sitting by I'm gonna knock three times and then you knock and it was all just fun You know, but ever since we allowed people to come in and try to clear stuff or what it was at first indian one that just caused chaos It cut it started.

I don't know brought a different field to the building I wouldn't even I might sleep over again, but I wouldn't let my little ones come like I did back then It's interesting to say that because I would still probably be the opinion That's a bad idea for little kids just because there's some dangers that if you've done this long If you kind of know what the dangers are right? I kid could traipse into unknowingly and yeah, there is some dark stuff You're not enough. It's been here for a long time or if it's been recently brought in That's the one hard thing I'm sure you guys have experienced with public ghost hunts is when strangers coming into ghost hunt you don't know what their Methods are and if they're safe methods are not safe methods. I know we talked with a Paul Wheeler on one of our episodes was about four episodes ago Tim And he leads grim ghost tours and he had a group that they took to asylum and some Dingling brought in a Ouija board and was messing around with it before they figured it out and kicked him out of the building But they did all kinds of damage on a spiritual level there Asylum and one of the wings was changed became completely dark Wow, you know, we went in and cleaned up some of that after the fact, but yeah, so Sam was the Indian thing it's nothing against Indians or what they do I think that the building and the property hadn't had that had that kind of attention for who knows hundreds of years You know until that first Indian came into the cleansing and so I don't know It was like it was just a battle of energies, but it's true And that's what we have to you know, that's why we have a couple of us up here in ghost hunts So we can kind of watch what people are doing make sure we're okay with it because you guys all get to go home We've got our kids working here to earn money for cars are, you know siblings everybody that this is our life We this is how we make you know, this is how we pay our bills So we have to deal with it.

So do you guys when you go home do you carry on that experience at home or is it just here? Now usually just here Have you ever experienced stuff following home or causing problems at your homes? I did when I lived on a spot. Yeah, we've had we've had stuff follow us You have one following in the car for a while, right?

Yeah, we don't you just have to bring them back My mom's called me before and been like hey spirit followed me home But you come get them so I'll go to her house and be like hey, you know, you're not allowed to be here You're in the car. You're going back with me and literally driving back up here open the room and yeah It might sound weird, but we might look like quacks where we're doing it But home is a different volume. So I have a question about what you're saying for you guys when spirits follow you home Um, I mean obviously you're probably not gonna go drive somewhere and take them back How do you get rid of them and where does the spirit go? Does it just find somewhere else to haunt?

Does it automatically teleport back to where it came from? It depends and that's kind of a complex question For myself and Tim, I know that we take great measures after we investigate anywhere Be at someone's home be at a place like family tree That as soon as we exit the building we take a lot of steps to make sure that nothing is following us to begin with Yeah, and in all honesty, I've been very successful Um, I've had one spirit follow me home, but it followed me home from work when I wasn't even doing ghost hunting It would follow me home from my day job. Um, I've mentioned this on some of the podcast before I take stage with me everywhere I go Uh, whether it's a negative location or a positive location It doesn't matter I stage my car before I leave as just an extra precaution because I know spirits both positive and negative don't like the smell of stage So they kind of avoid that. Um, I also play when I when I go to a more negative location I'll play church hands on the way one of the time I got your favorite, uh, you know, I actually have one of the songs I play is Is from the BYU choir.

Yeah, wait, wait, wait, we discussed BYU is not good. Well, the university of Utah probably doesn't sing a lot of church Hence the entertainment. Um, hey, there's nothing wrong with that. It's on my playlist.

It's playing a majority Yeah, in fact, I do if I'm going to a really negative investigation or leaving a really negative investigation I actually do rock the mo tab. Um, in fact last night and we'll talk about this on a future podcast Uh, we actually went back to cleave Evans house. We've talked about the podcast before and I kind of knew I kind of knew something was up Uh for a while and so I was kind of preparing for it and anyway, we went back to his house and I think based on what we saw last night I think his house is finally finally done. Yes I have to throw an issue on there and we'll talk about that in future podcast This isn't really about his house But yeah, just because I know all the dark stuff that's been at his house You know going to and from his house.

I rock it just because I want to be prepared when I get there And I want to make sure that I'm not taking any of his fun friends home with me Yeah, um, but you know, like I said the one time I had something following me was from work My children started seeing a strange guy in my house. Uh, and there's no male spirits in my house I kind of knew what was up there. So how do you know it was from your work? Uh, because I we work with a bunch of good mediums and they I was able to have them come check it out and tell me what was up basically And then we cross that spirit over and it hasn't you know my children don't talk about him since but where corian bobby work here You know, it's not reasonable or feasible.

I guess they could if they really were dedicated But to you know say prayers and burn stage in their car every time they leave work It's just you know any one of us when we leave work like, uh, you know grab the keys and away you go And so your bound to have something follow you from time to time So you two felt successful though bringing them back. Oh, yeah I think you if you truly believe it and you know that I don't know your mind and your soul is stronger than theirs, you know, then then you can put it That's what it's all about really with this spirit world is kind of your boundaries and making sure You know, it's just like the fact that like if I get surgery or my kids get surgery I won't allow them close to this building. Yeah, because I want their you know healing energy to be right I don't want any energy from here to mess with it or like my kid when I was going through the divorce and his Or was cracked. It's like, nope.

Okay. Now stay away from here But I think it's just it's kind of like you said you do this so long You just learn how to start protecting yourself you learn how to you know Because I'll go on those hands and I'll say it and I'll do that stuff But like you said work in here You don't bring your stage and every day that you get off work say to yourself I just do the easy thing and anything that tries to follow me. I just say go follow castle Go look him Stay away from me. Yeah, and I actually I just realized I didn't answer your whole question, Lori Yes As far as where they go and where they need to bring them back or not you can But spirits can actually travel pretty much at the speed of thought And so in reality they can come back on their own if they want to If you're tossing a bad spirit out of a location like if we go to someone's house And they've got a bad spirit there and we get rid of it.

Um, I don't know where it goes I don't care where it goes as long as it's not in their home anymore And generally that kind of spirit will gravitate to somewhere where it feels welcome. Yeah, um if that makes sense Yeah, yeah, totally I was just more curious like if you've done ghost hunt and obviously you protect yourself But I've just heard of people that have done ghost hunts that have been followed home So I've always been curious to know You know how you just read the spirit to you especially and it really piqued my interest when you guys said that if You know if a spirit would follow your mom home, you didn't differentiate what kind of spirit was you just call right? Come back. This is where you belong.

Yeah, so and it's interesting too because I I'm good friends with a Cammy and Kim from asylum 49 and they've had a lot of experiences where they're working at the haunted house and they have things from the hospital They're yeah, so I'm 49 following them home all the time. It's just because it's the kind of thing where you're there every day Yeah, and they get comfortable with if I go out and I'm specifically talking to spirits I make sure that they realize it when the night's over the night is that the date is over. Yeah, um Whereas just And every day occurrence, you know coming to work and you're not directly communicating with them I think the chance of them following you home is greatly diminished So I don't think stuff follows Corey home every day, right? Uh, but you know on occasion something may say I wonder what Corey's up to and follow Corey home They kind of learned boundaries.

Yeah, yeah, yeah Did you guys set boundaries? Obviously you said that so so let me ask you guys if someone wanted to come down here and eat your delicious What are your hours here for your restaurants? Oh gosh, oh It's like nine to nine isn't it and the weekends is nine to ten? Yeah, and the food is delicious is on Santa Quinn main street Now if somebody wanted to do a ghost hunt if they said, you know what I'd really let through a ghost hunt Um, I have no experience whatsoever, but I think it would be awesome to go ghost hunt What would they do if they wanted to come here and ghost hunt what would they need to do?

Um, basically just call the restaurant. You got to have a six person minimum and I think my mom requires half of it down now So it's $40 person it comes with dinner and you got to pay 20 and a deposit to book your night to make sure it's yours But um, yeah, just bring cameras bring whatever you want to bring for yourself And then I have a little bit of equipment. I got to start building that back up but just And really I would tell anybody who's never invested before that really if you got a smartphone You're probably good to go for the most part because you can do all of your recording on a smartphone You know, obviously want a flashlight, um, you know, Corey's gonna be able to tell you how to protect yourself so that you don't get yourself into a whole lot of trouble Uh, but yeah, you just contact, uh Corey here at family tree and actually I don't know if you guys knew this or not because I set it up with Ashley and b But you guys have a website for ghost hunts. Do we?

Yes. Oh, oh, I hope no, please Um, I hope nobody's booked any so actually if you go to that website, uh, I believe it says on there for like public for like larger public Cons to tell them to contact us. Yes because Ashley didn't know how to have a make it holder So no one's contacted me to pass that message on to you guys. Um, this is the thing though Is it is good to have a group that for, you know, say a couple of two people that want to pair normal experience or want to learn What ghost something's all about they need to know where to go to be able to do that So if there's a group that they can sign up under like you guys do come everyone's know how and bring some people and kind of show them an experience And that's what they're gonna do is if any of our listeners ever want to come here and investigate and they're kind of Not sure about, you know, who or what or what not?

Um, or if you just need to fill some space because like I said They do require six people. So if you're like one person short, give us a call and we'll fill that space for you I have had groups contact natic college group actually contact me. Did you come on that with him? That sounded dirty Give me a call.

I'll let space for you There's a reason you're single Shoot because I hate people Or it's the creepy bird. Um, just you like to caress it. I love you Tim Nice Wow, this one sideways It wouldn't be our podcast if it didn't that's true. In fact, I'm surprised it's taking this long to go That sideways, that's because I don't have my own microphone.

I had to wait. That's true She's having to share Um, but we actually had a group from Westminster college who's working on a class project who wanted to do a ghost investigation They contacted me and uh, were you on that with Tim? Unfortunately and Tim and I brought them down here and we had an investigation So if for some reason you really want to investigate bad and you're kind of nervous as long as you pay for me and Tim to be here Uh, we will come down and investigate with you and bring all our gear and introduce you to Corey and tell you the most delicious items on the menu to order They're all pretty delicious chicken fight steak. They're chef sounds pretty good I made a slaughter to chef salad before we started I had a scone.

It was awesome. I was pretty good too You ruined the chef salad with your dressing that blue tea dressing was delightful the burger is also really good here nasty Um, but if you want to go to that website, it's ghost talkers.com and I will talk with Corey after this is done and get the right email address on her now that she's doing the hunts Um, but ghost talkers.com or org I think it's a dot com. It's a dot com look at Tim. So we're not doing bad information.

I like giving bad information Let's see who's gonna get this first. It's probably you But that would be the website the ghost hunter menus on the website Uh, the cost is on the website. There's even some evidence on the website Awesome. Um, and so if you go there, you can kind of see some pictures what this place looks like on the inside Um You probably see lots of pictures of me and Tim because we were going to put the website together.

Um, I was looking at it the other night actually There is at least one picture of me on there Yeah, at least one. I used what I had I used what I had. Oh, it's pulling up is creepy anime stuff That's Tim's if it's gay anime. It's all Tim's Again, that's why you're single.

I wasn't gonna go there. Thank you Laurie Got you covered good night. How long did people look up a web address? I'm telling you it's pulling up Japanese weird stuff I gotta like there's some weird novel ghost talkers and I thought you're being a smart ass That's not the site I hope nobody like positive pocket for it after I get that address book But it keeps pulling up also you're out of luck.

Sorry For listeners who are like at this point of pocket swing what the hell there's like 15 people sitting around this table looking at their phones It's one way. I don't have mine and I could have it in two seconds. It's one web address and everybody's struggling. You made the damn thing I did Oh, man No, it's not that Cory, tell us a story why we try and film this weird Cell I think you were denied all right here.

We go folks Whispering for the recording. Yeah, she says she's got a p. I think I don't know go to battle shut that door. I was gonna edit that out, but now I'm gonna leave it in just go just go You got this this is gonna be like the best part of podcast where we're like as professionals can possibly be It would also help just ghost talkers.org g-h-o-s-t-t-a-l-k-r-s dot org org or as I like to say Org you were when you first get there like the very first picture of lurch in the basement talking to Lucy Yep lurch and silent dawn and who else is in that photo three random people?

I don't remember Lurch silent dawn and three random people we don't remember But ghost talkers dot org or org or org however you want to do that And you can see some pictures or some evidence Um, and I will make sure that we get the set up to the proper email addresses on there So you can contact and book an investigation like I said if you want any of the wist members come with you We need update that because the the year on the bottom of theirs 2015 and we're almost done with 2016 It's been a while since I've gotten there and updated things like I said ashley wasn't very tech savvy so it got neglected Um, anyway, anybody have any questions before we end the show? Dave's looks like he's a channel with the question over there. Nope. I don't I just want to say thank you for having me It was a lot of fun.

I was nervous as heck. Thank you. It was good having you guys Um, if I get brave enough to alter the course of the universe we may invite the other gentleman to something later You might want to bring a lot of sage Can I have some of your sage tan Only if you ask it more sexy like Greg. Thank you for coming and co-hosting with us Uh, well, thank you for the invite and I'm gonna watch greg's letter cheeseburger here in just a minute I mean to be honest the whole reason I came down here was just for the food.

I could care less about being on the uh I gotta tell you if you listen even from Salt Lake Valley, it is worth the draft come get one of these scones Besides besides the fact it's bigger than your entire head. They're delicious. I'm gonna mose this basket like a baby Yes, because you know the size of a baby I named mine Then you cried the whole time you ate it Uh, thank you, Corey. Yeah, you're welcome.

Thank you, balmy. You're welcome and have a good night everybody Have fun storming the castle. Don't do that. It hurts You're listening to the Wisps was at your investigative studies for paranormal science Their grown-ass adults they like to sit in the dark and talk to each other, but they all love their moms So that should account for something