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I am on your own son. And I'm the other horse, Paul. And just before we went live, Chris was like, oh, can I quickly run off and go off for a poll? We've got no.
Because you have to sit in the bucket. So if you hear any noises and grunts, it's not ghosties and guris, it's Chris's poo-pains. So I warm you legs up. Oh, thanks.
So hello new people. This is the Nodie of North Forkast. Yeah, hi everyone. Happy Sunday.
We're ready to start a new week. Yeah. New week. I love the season though.
The leaves are going brown. Getting colder. The nights and the mornings are dark. I love it.
Oh, I do like awesome. It is. Awesome. It is.
Yes. But it is spooky season. All the monsters and horrible things come out at night. We say less of Lee because he's not allowed over the player as much.
Because he's not allowed to be in the streets in the dark times. Because he's dangerous, dangerously. But yes, tonight is a fun one. Yes.
This has been something that I've been wanting to talk about for such a long time. And now we do it. Yes. So let's say we do the works and get the disclaimer out the way so we can get shut down as quick as possible.
I mean, at least I don't know what that happened. So the disclaimer saves us all. That's true. Yeah.
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There's our opinions are wrong because we can all agree to disagree and find them. So let's keep it fun. Keep it kind and keep the toxic behavior out of notism. Yes.
Very well said. And we're being proud best to do that and kind of give us a little bit of a fresh art. Not just like saying anything that we're doing but mainly in the Facebook group. We're trying to get that community atmosphere, the community vibe back.
And to say a big welcome to the new two bosses in town, better and Sarah Peach, who's going to kick everyone's ass and put everyone in headlocks and give them a good talk and two because let's be honest, the old mods lay in Chris, they're slacking a little bit. They're not doing as much job, they're causing more trouble than the worth. So we need to bring the ones in. We need to bring the ones in to keep them all under.
Yeah. And to make sure that I don't let bots in. That's that's bots in robots. Not bots that could be anything that doesn't make sense because we're like bots.
Especially I think Jix the bot man is an evil spots the most. Robots. All right. Yes.
I believe they're bombs. Normal. But Chris, my mother got a Jesus. We're talking about robots.
And true in any of our fashion, I do have the taglines for the movie that we don't know if nobody knew already. It is the brightness, which I learned today. I can't spell it. The amount of times I'm going to rewrite this taglines.
I just fucking. Goddamn it. Yeah. Yeah.
So something has put the fear of death in the living and then send the dead. Running for their lives. That's good. I like that one.
It's a good sign. I should have left the last. I should have left the last. Oh, is that a good downhill now?
I think so. Yeah. But no rest for the wicked. Right.
Okay. You're going to love the next one. Dead yet? Is that it?
Yeah. Excellent. Your numbers up. Okay.
That's better than dead yet. Yeah. Getting better. Frightening, isn't it?
Oh, this was the 90s as well. Do you remember so? Two more. When your numbers up, it's up.
Yeah. That's one. Death is no way to make a living. I like that one.
I like that one. Yeah. That one's all right. That one's all right.
That one's all right. That one's all right. That one's all right. I'll give that.
I'm sorry. I do like dead yet. Dead yet. The last one reminds us of Telly Parton, so it makes it like even more.
I can't even remember what I've just said. Reminds you of Telly Parton. Yeah. Yeah.
Right. Right. We're getting nine or five dead to no way to make a living. Oh, okay.
Okay. Yeah. Yeah. It brain dead.
Or do they just want to pretend Peter Jackson. The one. Yeah. We're really focused on heavenly creatures rather than branded.
Right. So heavenly creatures is featured. There's little tidbits of that movie sprinkled in this one because they want you to forget that that's the type of movie he used to do. Yeah.
I've never seen that one. Yeah. Because this was his bit. I know Sammy's going to come out with all the facts and things.
But all of them. From what I can remember as well, this was his kind of like little tester movie before Lord the Rings just to make sure if we get the practical effects like what we can do or CGI can do. Yeah. So this was his little fory into movie making shows.
It is. And to be honest, if you don't have this movie, you don't have a certain Hobbit come join the cast. Oh, okay. Oh, yeah.
Because as we know, Sean Aston goes on to play Sanway's Gown chain Lord of the Rings. Here's Daddy. Jon Aston is the judge. Oh, yeah.
And he could not speak more highly of work and repeat a Jackson. So when the opportunity came up for him to audition for it, you've got to do it. You've got to go and work with Peter. And there you go.
History is then made. So it's Jon Aston unique as that before. Yeah. Cool.
That's that as well. It's Jon Aston. Isn't this something like he's not biologically really. No, it's not.
He adopted him. Yeah. He's even say he was married to his mother when he was really young and adopted him. But they they are father and son.
Yeah. They there's no. Yeah. They have a lovely relationship.
But he has a beautiful relationship with his mother father and his mother and father still even though divorced still have a lovely relationship. So we've got Sean Aston just seems the most healthiest well brought up. Honestly, you know, for an Apple baby, it could have gone so wrong. And especially with the fame he got a such a young age.
But no, he managed it. He's so grounded. He's so aware of his own mental health. Like I think I've mentioned before, he did a beautiful podcast with them.
And he's just so aware of himself. He's lovely. He's more highly oven. No, no, I agree because he's like spoken out many times about mental health depression.
And like he's a big advocate advocate for the funds and stuff to speak out and talk to him about as well. So that's again, I love the man. He is one of my favorite. Like if I ever got to speak to people like if you got a list, he would be number one or two on that list.
I've never got the chance to have a conversation with. So one day, but yeah, 1996 this came out and surprisingly enough, this was a massive flop. Hugely. And it's all down to the studio.
So they wanted to push for Halloween release and Peter Jackson. So Peter Jackson was really pushing for it in the studio. I was like, oh, no, no, we're going to do it. We're going to do it in the summer.
It's going to be a summer blockbuster. If it wasn't, and also this movie isn't technically finished. Right. Okay.
So what we have is what was sent to the studio. And they just went, yes, this 100% this. We want this and Peter Jackson going to finish yet. There's so much that's been cut out.
So much with the judge. The graveyard scene, especially. Yeah, there's so much that is being taken out because there's so much influence in this movie and actual real stories as well. And that, yeah, Peter Jackson never got to really finish his movie.
Well, Chris was telling me earlier, he has an interesting fact about this as well. Oh, God. So about the movie being cut and things being cut out with this film for the censors, Raisin? Oh, yeah.
It's in the, I think they didn't want it for UK censors. We're doing it in the silent and the last shoot to the door got the times. I think you shot too many times and they had to take it out. But it didn't lower the age rating.
So the studio said now it doesn't matter anyway. So you kind of took a half of it and then made one of the death scenes more brutal. And I think that it's the grumba. It's death that you don't want to die in the bed and she was stabbed up.
Yeah. I think that's it. I don't know because where I read it didn't actually say it. But yeah, that's...
Now with this movie as well, I, when I first watched it, because as somebody said, there was big mistakes with the studio at other times and campaigns. It was not the movie that I was expecting. If this movie came out now, I think it would have been a more of a success than it would in 1990. Because this was basically advertised as, I guess, a lighthearted comedy or like a fun romp and type thing.
It's not. It is a dark comedy. It is actually a humour in it. But the horror aspect is the strong point and that's where the kind of focus on.
And I think if it's a corporate now, the would have, like I say, a little bit more darker. Well, it would be like a cleaner effects. And I don't mean that. Because the special effects in this is really well done, especially the practical effects as well.
But I do think this would be better received if it came out now, especially with the torn. And I think again, this might be down to audiences as well. The audience isn't used to saying, or wasn't ready or even couldn't even say Michael Jack, Michael JF Fox as a bellend. Because he is a bellend in this movie.
He's got redeeming features, but for the majority of this movie, he's not a nice person. No, he's totally unrecognisable. This is not Marty McFly. This is so bizarre.
When I was watching it, I was like, God, it's not even him. And he was always front runner. He was always going to be the main person they wanted. They wrote the whole strip around him.
However, they did have a backup and a backup just in case. He said, no, but I know who was back up to him. He was absolutely fucking hilarious. I took it.
So, Tom Cruise, the first one. Oh, no. No, Lee would wang her with that, but no, not me. No, it would have been a whole different, totally different.
It would have been more action than it would be horror. Yeah. Matthew Broderick. I can feel it.
I know. Well, I think it would do a good role for that. This type of thing. Sad sack.
Like, survived the car crash. Oh, hey, it's life in the city. It was in life. Yeah.
And the next one being Johnny Depp. No. No. No, I don't think I'm right.
It's not in the end, Phil. No. No. No.
Mm. You just hit another one of them. These. John Kuzak.
I love John Kuzak, but I just, I don't know what, he's too, he's too wiry for me. Yeah, he doesn't do lost. Like, if you want, like, watch him in high Fidelity, John Kuzak. It's, I hope he dog, Mooney.
I remember when you hadn't seen that film as well. That'd be too much pleasure. I love that movie. He's so grungy.
And he saw, but he can do, he can do, like, wiry. And he's like, oh, no, no, I can't see him playing this. Even I do love him. The last one, I don't even know where the mindset of people went for this casting.
Danny DeVito. Yes. Yes. What have you been perfect?
The love story might not have made sense towards the end. Good end. His love story in France doesn't make sense either. So that's fine.
Can we have a, no, it was sunny version of the brightness. You mentioned Burton. There was two other directors who were in line to do this. Zemeckas was really interested in Tim Burton and also Sam Raimi.
Yeah. I would, this would have been an all-out horror film if it was Sam Raimi. That's the thing. It would have been a fucking I-Fest.
Zami Bruce Campbell would have been the lead. Possibly. Yeah. That would work out.
I would like that. Bruce Campbell from Bubble Vortex. Yeah. But that wouldn't mind that one.
And I think Tim Burton, I think, because we would want it before, this movie would have probably been compared to much like Beet would do, especially if Burton got his fingertips on it. There's so much, the organ insane of it with the house, when you're panning up to the house, it all looks like Burton in a way that just would not fully recognize this Burton, but there is something there. And this movie actually initially comes, it doesn't, so Zemeckas is obviously the producer of it. And it was going to be, it was conceived initially as a teal from the crypt.
Right. That's sort. Okay. But then it kind of spiraled and went to the way that it did.
But that was quite interesting because I was like, I could kind of see that as well. I could see this kind of shortened down because it's such a clever, good story. It is. And I think we'll comment on it before we went live.
The writing in this movie is so clever and so keeps you on the ball. And remember this is in the 90s where the twists movie or the twist ending or the twists were absolutely huge in the 90s. Like everyone was trying to do that kind of fads. Like you have the usual suspects, the sixth sense.
This one does it a little bit more subtly where the change up isn't more, I didn't say that coming. It was still quite an interesting way of doing it and trying to portray, or who's the bad guy, who's the good guy. And it just shows you that in the real world, it's all the tones of gray. Like nobody's holier than white and white.
Everyone's got a little bit of darkness. Everyone's doing things for their own person. Again, everyone's doing stuff for the reason. Like the last who's Patricia who's locked away, you think she is the victim, she's being manipulated by all things.
And she's like, I got just as nuts as basically Jake Lucy's carrying a Johnny Bartlett. Yeah, Dee Wallace. Dee Wallace is only cast in this. Not only.
Dee Wallace is a fantastic actress and the range on her is unreal, but it is E.T. that they look at because they think that, because I don't think Dee is, for all Dee would be recognized now in the horror realm. I don't know if that's the case back then. So they've looked at E.T.
and went, oh, look at her only mother. No one's going to think she's a psychopath crazy person. Let's cast her and Dee does it fantastic. But that whole story with Bartlett and her is real.
Right. It felt like a Mallory from Natural Bond colours. That's very Bonnie and Clyde. Yeah.
But yeah, it's actually based on the killing spree of Charles Starkweather, who murdered 11 people in Nebraska in Wyoming in 1958. Right. And she, sorry, Amazon's just coming to bust them in the door. And she is the- What in the box?
What in the box? In the vitamins. Vitamin. She's not going to cut Charles' head anymore.
I fucking horrible. And she was based off his real life girlfriend who, up until whenever, kind of said, I had nothing to do with this and then was turned out she actually did. So yeah, that whole story is based off of true events, which I thought was really, really interesting. It's probably my favourite part of the movie is them too.
Yeah. It feels like there's three different movies all melded into one. And sometimes when you get a movie like that, you can tell when it feels clummy. This didn't feel clummy, but you could tell there was different aspects.
Like you've got the Michael Gf Fox one, he was one through the redemption thing. You had the uncle, the doctor and her trying to get out with the thing. And like the whole side quest with one of the most bizarre FBI agents that I've seen in a movie, which is just fucking unreal. Like a time.
It's just unreal. Like, seemingly. But then you get the serial killer aspect and that's when the movie takes flight and actually starts grabbing you a bit more. Because not seeing it's getting lost, but it spends a lot of time trying to build up on lead to where you want it to go with this one.
Like you think it's going to be like almost like a jockey Casper type movie with the ghost. How daft and stupid they are. But again, it's an interesting one as well because Michael Gf Fox, Frank Vanister, is playing basically a Schneider con man on a gift that he's got, like saying like the dead and being able to interact with them. But using that in a way where it's like fleecing people.
And again, I think the tribe's so hard in this movie to get you to kind of not like Michael Gf Fox. It's just so hard not to like. That's the problem. No, I get I talk to get that.
I love Jeffrey comes in this movie. He really talks about artistic liberties with his look. And he really, yeah, the hairstyle is very much style of Adolf Hitler. He wore black contact lenses to make his eyes look, you know, dead.
He's just such a fascinating character. You know, I used to get him and the guy who played tunes mixed up so many times. Right. Yeah.
It's just something until I think until I saw Green Milo, I was like, okay, they're definitely not the same person. I think when I was saying this, I got him and Marty McFly's dad mixed up. So I thought it was like, oh, okay, it's a hair. Yeah, I was like, how the hell is the money to get them to work together?
Just me here. Yeah. It's a hair. And the.
Is he here? He can do it back to the future. Yeah. Who would have like, oh, there's so bad blood.
So much. Is that because he's so not six with his wife? I thought he was worth all the money was under this recastum. And he sued the company, basically for using his likeness or using an act of that thing.
And said, I wasn't bothered that the recastors. It's the fact that you saw him and that was so much like, and people thought I was a bad actor. So he said, you want to learn about him, Eddie? Yeah.
And people spoke so highly of Peter Jackson in this movie. So much that Dee Wallace can't will forever be grateful for him. Her husband Christopher Stone actually died during production of this movie, which was for us and how to go back and forth from New Zealand to the United States quite a bit. They were nothing but a commentate.
And what she then found out afterwards was it was Peter who was paying for a flight the whole time. Together backwards and forwards to it. Yeah, he's just there's so much good that that man does that I don't think people like hardly realize. Yeah.
And just nothing to do with this movie. But him personally, he put up the, not the entire, but the majority of the money for the West Memphis three defense trial, like the defense, he paid for the majority of that because it doesn't like bullies. And he wanted to wait a hell of him and Fran helped so much. Friends obviously, DM, Fran Walsh, is involved in this movie as well, which you wouldn't expect her not to be, would you?
If he's there, she's going to be there. But the more I read about this movie, it was just, it was one lovely story after the next. Yeah. It's a strange one because, as I said, this was a massive flop, but it put Peter Jackson in the busy spotlight for, like I said, a movie studio was the people who he worked with that he was, as I said, the only choice for like the Lord the Rings movies when they came up because it was like, how are we going to get this to work?
He had built that like, say, so much goodwill or friendship because of it, like starting back in this movie, that 100% they trusted him with such a thing. Because if you think about like, he's a record before this, before Lord the Rings, sorry, he's, he's a B movie director at best. Yeah, at best. And the performance in this, again, this could have been a B movie, but for the people involved, like I said, the D Wallace, the one of the ghosts, she, McBride, who played Cyrus, he was brilliant.
He's fantastic. I love him. And the judge Sean, Jon Aston is one of these, and there is a very uncomfortable scene in this movie with the judge, which I thought was probably wouldn't play out well. Yeah.
In, in today's, when he sees one of the mummies in the sarcophagus and he's going, oh, I'll go in and start banging on the mummy. But then he says, I love it when they just lie still. I was like, oh, dear, that line, I'll please. Yeah.
Yeah. And you saw right though with Peter Jackson's, how he goes on from this to what he does next, and it starts with what a digital limited, who literally had one computer. Yeah. And their capacity went up to 35 computers in order to make the visual effects demand for this movie.
But because of that, because they made that investment in this movie, it helped when it came down to the fellowship and the starting point of being able to piece together what he wanted to do for Lord of the Rings. So without, it really is without this movie. And it's not just the work he's done. It's the background work that he does.
Lays that foundation for what's to come. He's just, I can't stand it. I just love this man so much. Well, let's not talk about the, the water movie too much though.
Why, let's talk more about it. Yeah, let's talk all about it. Well, yeah, again, if you look at this movie, now this is going to surprise you as well. So 1996, this was the time of the blockbusters where money was getting pumped into like films, like think about like Jurassic Park.
Like I said, it was the horror of like, uh, a resurgence, but like a lot of money was going into these big movies. And if you look at the special effects now, like in this movie, you would think this would be closer like about 80 to 100 million per per foot. It's 26 million. So great deal really, especially with like the makeup visual effects and visual effect, the makeup is Rick Baker.
Yeah. And fantastic. You can't knock Rick's work really can yet. Um, score is done by Danny Elfman, um, which he did because he just, I think it was a chance meeting that they had.
You went, I want to work with you when you next movie and you went ideal because the next movie is and that's how they came about. That's, do you not think that's why they, because the opening of B. Jesus very similar to the opening of this. Yeah.
The build up with the music to the house and I think there was intentional that way as well. You're right. Kind of gave that type of vibe, but I'm happy for it. I'm not mad at this.
No, no, no. I, again, if we look through this whole thing and look through the, like the special effects in the movie, watching it with brand new eyes and watching it in PhD this morning, there's probably only two parts I would see it. Oh, could I put it now? One is when the reapers are looking through the wall.
That's very much, you can tell that's an 80s special effect where the wall's moving. If he was practical, we'll put it into the room wall. It might have worked in, but again, a bit more expensive. And the other bit is when you see Michael J.
Fox blasting the reaper with the machine guns and he's flat, and he starts to flatten the face. And it changes from this like horror face to Gary Buecy's face. It's very CGI and very like, not Gary Buecy. You get to kind of mix up with the teeth.
You do. But some of the bits that hasn't aged well, but then you go back to like the practice effects to use, like the jaw bone on the judge. Oh my God, the jaw bone. It is absolutely phenomenal.
And like things where he spares the fly spring and the nerdy ghost spiritual con, like one of us. Yeah. And it kind of distributes. I like that.
It's stupid because I can call it a med. It just looks like a med. Yeah. Do you know what really makes me a little bit icky?
Is the ectoplasm that's coming from their eyes and that? It's like, oh, I don't know. That's the details I love about that. I know, I know.
I know. It's not just like, oh, it just got to course me in the light. It's like, and it's not. It's still there.
And that's not the judge. Not the judge. No. It's on the right now.
But then you get the the arsele. Rear who dies like is one of the first people he died in it. Oh, and when he becomes the ghost, it's like, he's like self-centered ghost you'll ever meet. But when he comes face to face with himself in the coffin, I just burst out laughing.
I was like, oh, you said yourself right. And did you say earlier that you agreed with rear? Or you just said that right? Right.
So I sympathize with him and see where he's coming from. Because imagine you move to, I don't know, Northumberland three months ago, starting a new job and everything, got a white picket fence, really nice house. And then some arsele, he's driving like a maniac, smashes into the offense. What would you do?
Yeah. And he's just, oh, yeah. But then tries to flee some as well. And then he comes and he's just like, oh, yeah.
I'll look through him, you fake binocular, you're riddled with ghosts, yeah. And then he pushes a torso down. And he's just like, right, we'll call it even for the fence, yeah. And then runs over your prized norms on the way out.
How about, yeah, I'll piss off of them too. The prized norms. There's only a new thumbling block coming up like from Chris. I would say a prized norms on this whole house.
I've got a prized norm. I wouldn't be happy. What's what you know I'm called? It doesn't have a name, but a friendly paper.
There's a nice little gnaw. I'm not gonna make fun of that. No, I'm not gonna make fun of that. That's why I said it.
And it's what what you're called. Lucy's the last, isn't she? Dr Lucy, she doesn't agree for her husband. No, she does not.
No, she's not. She moves on perfectly. I think she was looking for a way out of it. No, but you don't need it.
I mean, come on. Give some time for him to go called a bit. You don't need to go and jump the first person you made. And Chris, this is the first time you'd seen this.
Probably, yeah. I'd only seen clips of it if like the ghost sergeant and stuff. No, but you told me last night I had me in absolute stitches. Oh, yeah, I can't say that.
No, you can't at all. But oh my god, yeah. Lee, oh god, what's his name? Lee Emery?
Lee, Lee, are you early? Emily, yeah, from a metal jag. Well, metal jaggers. Yeah.
Oh, Lee Emery, that's it. Oh my goodness. They kind of fought for him. He wasn't too sure because it was like, obviously New Zealand and traveling and yeah, they really fought for him to be in this movie.
And it's so- What else can play him? No, nobody can do that. No, it's just going to say him. He's just like, when you think of that really strict, like, gonna re-sorgent or whatever, you think of him, like breaking people's balls and being a, you know, coming out all these scenes, which is probably off the top of his head as well.
Yeah, I actually remember watching it. This is something that I've washed with, and he introduced this to it. So it's got to be in the last night, you know? But I think it was the same night we watched Fright Night.
The rain there. Right, right. So we watched Fright Night and this at the same time. We've done some good double features like that before.
Avengers and Beatty said, and the Munster's got it in the same night. Oh, that was good. Surprised me as well. Like when you're watching it back now, you go back then in 1960, you don't notice like all these different people or people who's in it.
But the actual cast was phenomenal. Like the guy who did the Sheriff Sheriff, World Perry, like you, it's one of those actors that you won't know the name of, but you'll have seen it. You know the face. Yeah.
Because he always plays the police office or anything. And it was quite interesting to see a sheriff that had common sense as well. Because it's like, oh, the suspicious circumstances around these people being killed. But how can Michael J.
Fox's character be physically killing these people? It's like an impossibility and the sheriff doesn't kind of believe in the the movie magic where it's like, oh, he must be the killer. He's like trying to take it as a sensible approach as well. And that was quite refreshing to say that from.
Yeah. Like the police as well. Kind of cop in a policeman. Yeah.
But if you watch all these horror movies, like if you watch the screen movies now, like Dewey is a police officer. I'm sorry, Dewey would never pass any type of police. Good, good, good. God, no.
How are you even made the forces beyond me? And Troy Evans is the actor. And I nearly killed him off. I generally thought he died earlier this year and he didn't.
But he has been in like his, he is one of the, he was so right. He's one of those people who you're like, oh, I don't know the guy's name, but I can picture him in nearly everything. His credit of work is ridiculous. It's, um, Delicious man.
Delicious man. Yes, Ventura, the sound, the siege, Twin Peaks, uh, my blue heaven, Halloween five. Mm-hmm. Um, Don't think he's not.
There's a team of. I don't think there's a franchise out there or like a movie that hasn't got him or even make clothes. Especially in the 90s or the 80s as well. Yeah, the last thing he did was, um, Bosch.
I don't know what that is. Um, yeah, he was. He was really good. All right.
Um, I loved his, his last bit where he wanted to write a book and he's like. But it's what he's going on. I think he got an angel might be able to help you. He's like, good one, right?
And you see Coom's sitting in the back thing. Oh my God, Jeffrey Coombs. But the one that surprised me, just having kind of like a, a career higher at the moment is Melanie, the ladies who plays one of the deputies, you see him in the background and she'd say something, but she's playing like just the main character in yellow jackets. Oh my God, it's role is I wish she's, I wish people would just see a rose.
Cause then I know who you're talking about. Yes. Sorry. Sorry.
The crazy one out with two and a half men. Rose. She's been in the last of us as one of the main bad guys as well. So she, she was also married Jimmy Simpson.
All right. Yeah. Your French. Yeah.
Now she's married to John Ritter. So I think he's called Jason Ritter. Yeah. Yeah.
She's with Jason Ritter. We had to be literally have just had the same conversation. I'm on since we should get to see tomorrow. That's why I love like these.
I didn't know she was in this. Yeah. She was just like, it's a deputy player in the background. When the rock and I was like, fuck, that's a, I recognize it.
But the cast and everything was, was great. And everything, how the movie kind of plays out, as I said, even in the part, but as soon as the serial killer angle kicks in, I love the theme with the numbers on the forehead as well. I thought like that was just horrible. And that's where it kind of leads you back in when you see these people who die of the heart failure, have the numbers and they gradually are a lot higher than what they were expecting as well.
And cause they do like it. I have all the loose ends in these type of movies as well. Peter Jackson is quite a good one to do that. When you find out this kind of the backstory of Michael G.
Fox's character, Frank and how in a car crash, he blames himself for his wife dying. And you find out that's not the case. And what happened to it, it makes the film a little bit harder. Cause there is a few jokes in this as well, but it's so dark.
And this could have went to Riz. It's, I know it's one said in the chat earlier, this could be in the same level of ghostbusters where I've said many of times, if you take the jokes out of ghostbusters, ghostbusters is a really scary horror film. Did you notice the little nod to ghostbusters in this? Which one?
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Yeah, it's a little nod to ghostbusters. Well, it wasn't that all of these quickly films in the 90s, because like you said, you've got the Casper cameo where you've got done that right as a shit. Yeah, honestly, I've not seen that movie, probably since it came out. And also.
I'm sorry, but the touch was one of the strangest things you've ever seen. I don't want to see it. And also, Michael G. Fox calls the, and I think they kept it in the movie as well.
He calls the judge, Doc. Right. Yeah, I'm sure we were able to keep that in too. And what we were talking about earlier with the scene that was cut out for being too gruesome was Geoffrey Coom's death scene.
Right. It wasn't going to make him, it was going to knock the rate and off or something like that. He originally died of a code shot with the chest, which was changed in force reduction to his head exploding. Yes, that was a very tame explosion as well, I think.
Yeah. Because it would just like disappear, then there's a bit of splatter. Also, German Reus Funeral, you can see in the background, Frank Bannister's house is burned into the ground. Right.
Because the set production was done with it and just fucking flung the floor. It's a very old sound effect. Yeah, we'll just see if sometimes shoot this scene and get rid of that house. I think it was a half-built town set anyway with us.
Yeah, it was pretty much falling apart. Now, this is not made put a slight on the movie at all. This is me, this is one of my favorite films, especially like Siri watching us, I'll enjoy it now. Did the movie feel long to you guys when you're watching the back now?
Yeah, I got to shock this morning when I put it on and it was two hours. It's close to it. I think it's like five or ten minutes away from two hours. It felt longer, but I think that's because the first half of the movie is very slow-paced.
But you can have to don't mind because the certain movies that you can, it's like a roller course that you're going up, going up, going up, and then I think the middle part, well, not the middle part, when the star kicking off, it goes so quick. But then it slows down again. So you kind of like, it just depends on how to finish it or how to move the movie as well. But I think if they're going to make this now, or if they did make it then, this, and it's interesting what you're saying, this was going to be like a part of it.
Sure. I think as a TV show, this would have worked so much better just because of all the different elements in there. There's a lot going on. Well, it is like three different parts.
Well, it did feel a bit long, but I kind of wanted to drop one of them and expand one of them more. Because the first off is the con man phase. Then there's the investigating and then it turns into kind of a horror film. I kind of wish to pick two of them.
Either went more on the con man game or went more on investigation and, you know, expanded a bit. So I think it felt longer because it was like something you get interested in, like they didn't go around houses and do in exorcisms. And then they just drop that and forget about it, never mentioned again. Then they move on to the next.
Yeah, because there's stuff that I wanted to know about. I know it was just basically a piss dick, but the equipment used, that was quite interesting. Because it was like, oh, how did he invent that? How did he look that he just fine swing off the net that kind of did this as a practical thing?
I wouldn't have the internet, would he? Wasn't really a thing. Very true. If I could have kicked getting back then, it wouldn't have been in there.
My big dial up, but I don't think he would have had it there. It's a bunch of more solid. Yeah, watching shit like that. Did you know?
Did you know? Did you know? There is a book? Is it based on a book?
No, it's not based on a book. Right. The book I think the book come afterwards. In the novelization, which is based on an earlier draft of the screen player, newspaper editor Magda and reporter Steve had bigger roles.
The Jew showed up at the restaurant where Magda got drunk and proceeded to antagonize both Frank and Lucy. She wasn't at the museum. It was at the restaurant where Frank saw the ethanol, the ethereal number etched on her forehead. He later showed up at her home interrupting Magda's seduction of Steve.
The young reporter left in the river by the same fear and the Frank was trying to kill her. Magda ran off into the woods where her death played out similar to the film. Later, Frank would be sharing a jail cell with Steve who was picked up for drunk driving. And so yes, there was an actual book.
Oh, that's interesting as well. As Chris said, there's interesting. Well, everything in its past was quite interesting. You're going to go on one and move in.
Same with the characters. Like the reporter characters at the start, I thought they were going to play a bigger role and have more of importance and or when she gets killed. That's him going to jail. But I didn't have the emotional punch when they did die because it was kind of like, is that meant to be a big moment?
Is it could have been a big moment for that? Could have been down to how what was chopped out or what was left in or what they moved around in the script as well. That's why I think it would have worked really well as a TV show as well. Because you would have got the elements, you would have got the growth.
Because in a terrible movie, there's so much going on and so much packed in and so much interesting stuff as well. Like, I would love to know what other stuff he did for the ghost London or how far he was going to go to get his house rebuilt for his partner for his wife and see that relationship as well. Again, the only thing that I felt forced, but it felt a bit strange is almost like the climatic scene when you get the final battle between like Johnny Bartlett and Frank when Frank's dead. And his ghost form then drags her like, like Patricia's ghost out of her body without killing it.
Like, it's in the killing that without any explanation. She can do that as well. Apparently so. Yeah.
Apparently so. I was thinking that's a bit far-fetched. We're talking of ghost forms. I love the work that is put into when Michael J.
Fox has been ragged all around the road and being driven on and it's watching it on my telly. On your on your on your small screen. Yeah. It's tiny.
I don't know what people are talking about. It's so small. Small screen the pictures. It looks perfect though.
Yeah. They did this. You would think this it might look a bit ehh Harry Potter-ish. You know like that, Harry Potter.