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Nov 17, 2025 54 min

Give a Sh!t Posture Management

from Great Security Debate

On this weeks’ Debate, Brian brings a truckload of acronyms for more single panes of glass to help us consolidate our various single panes of glass, Erik may actually be Brian (or maybe Brian is Erik), and Dan confirms he still (and likely always will) spend the rest of his days living in the house he just built deep in the Trough of Disillusionment. What started out as a chat about some new technologies in the space turned into a treatise on the state of leadership and the future talent pipeline’s need for more curiosity (and why we think they are starved of the opportunity to learn to be curious). Along the way we talk about what motivates organisations to do security right from the get go vs leaving it alone based on difficulty to remediate, and the risk balances of both (think: productivity vs security). Throw in a little “binary opinions have dragged us into the mire” and you’ve got a full episode of The Great Security Debate. We also drop some hints about a new show coming from The Distilling Security network in 2026 called The Final Act which will bring guests in the later stages of their careers about the urgency of our careers in security and tech, what they want to leave behind as legacy, and what they are doing to prepare their orgs for their eventual departure. Add on how they have and will give back to the community, and what their successors want to see done before this first generation of security and tech leaders hit the road. Please subscribe and leave a comment. If you’d like to sponsor the network, please email [email protected] Thanks for listening! Show Notes: What is Data Security Posture Management (DSPM) - https://www.ibm.com/think/topics/data-security-posture-management What is Identity Security Posture Management (ISPM) - https://www.sentinelone.com/cybersecurity-101/identity-security/identity-security-posture-management-ispm/ What is an Institutional Review Board (IRB) - https://www.hhs.gov/ohrp/education-and-outreach/online-education/human-research-protection-training/lesson-3-what-are-irbs/index.html Lucy pulls the football (hand egg) away from Charlie Brown - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dsm7K1Xkn4 Healthy foods are more costly - https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/27/healthy-foods-are-often-more-expensive-heres-why.html Why Ford cancelled the Bronco after OJ - https://www.slashgear.com/1560204/reason-ford-bronco-discontinued-after-oj-simpson-trial-explained/ Not enough data - GSD Episode 62 [Audio] - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-100-years-ai-flood/id1513770103?i=1000735045511 Not enough data - GSD Episode 62 [Video] - Book Recommendation - Anxious Generation by Jonathan Haidt - https://geni.us/lDrdn3 Book Recommendation - The Coddling of the American Mind by Jonathan Haidt - https://geni.us/Xqary2V Ford has 5000 skilled mechanic jobs they can’t fill - https://fortune.com/2025/11/12/ford-ceo-manufacturing-jobs-trade-schools-we-are-in-trouble-in-our-country/ Some of the links in the show notes contain affiliate links that may earn a commission should you choose to make a purchase using these links. Using these links supports The Great Security Debate and Distilling Security, so we appreciate it when you use them. We do not make our recommendations based on the availability or benefits of these affiliate links.

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  1. 0:09 Introduction to the Security Debate
  2. 3:17 Understanding Data Management Challenges
  3. 9:56 The Importance of Identity Management
  4. 13:50 The Role of Non-Human Identities in Security
  5. 21:35 Transitioning from Tech to Manufacturing
  6. 28:25 The Impact of Food Industry Dynamics on Security Practices
  7. 35:11 The Impact of Modern Constraints on Creativity
  8. 38:17 The Impact of Risk Aversion on Childhood Adventures
  9. 45:04 The Importance of Controlled Failures in Leadership
  10. 51:40 Leadership and Legacy: A New Chapter in Understanding

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