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EPISODE · Aug 26, 2025 · 59 MIN

Going Steady with Herman Daly: ‘The canary has fallen silent’

from Cities 1.5 · host University of Toronto Press

We follow Herman from the lecture halls of Louisiana to the forests of Brazil – and through a period of global upheaval and personal transformation. Herman was profoundly shaped by the realities of inequality and ecological fragility in the Global South. These experiences helped crystallize his vision of a steady-state economy; one that operates within the planet’s ecological limits and prioritizes human wellbeing and ecological boundaries over endless growth.With reflections from his family and followers, this episode captures the moment Daly’s thinking moved from quiet resistance to creating economic theories that would go on to have a truly global influence. Featured in this episode:Colvis Cavalcanti, ecological economistBrian Czech, Author of Shoveling Fuel for a Runaway Train and executive director of the Center for the Advancement of the Steady State EconomyRob Dietz, Program Director at the Post-Carbon Institute, co-author of Enough is Enough, and co-host of Crazy TownTerri Daly Stewart, Senior Occupational Therapist and Herman and Marcia's eldest daughterKaren Daly Junker, Senior Manager of Provenance Research at the Virginia Museum of Fine Arts and Herman and Marcia’s youngest daughterDenis Lynn Daly Heyck (Deni), Professor Emeritus of Spanish language and literature and Herman's sisterKaty Shields, Regenerative economist and co-creator/host of Tipping PointPeter Victor, Professor Emeritus of ecological economics & author of Herman Daly’s Economics for a Full WorldKate Raworth, Author of Doughnut Economics and co-founder of the Doughnut Economics Action LabThank you to the Daly family for their generous support in sharing Herman’s story.Thank you also to our series consultants and fact checkers, Peter Harnik, Rob Dietz, and Peter Victor, who also graciously supplied the interview tape with Herman Daly, recorded in 2022.Visit the Cities 1.5 podcast page on UTP’s website for the media citations used in this episode.If you want to learn more about the Journal of City Climate Policy and Economy, please visit our website at https://jccpe.utpjournals.press/Listen to the Cities 1.5 five-part miniseries “Going Steady with Herman Daly: How to Unbreak the Economy (and the Planet)" here: https://lnk.to/HDMiniSeriesCities 1.5 is produced by the University of Toronto Press and the C40 Centre, and is supported by C40 Cities. Sign up to the Centre newsletter: https://thecentre.substack.com/Writing and executive production by Peggy Whitfield.Narrative and communications support by Chiara Morfeo.Produced by Jess Schmidt: https://jessdoespodcasting.com/Edited by Morgane Chambrin: https://www.morganechambrin.com/Music by Lorna Gilfedder: https://origamipodcastservices.com/

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