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EPISODE · May 2, 2026 · 1H 2M

Going With the Flow: A Trial Lawyer’s Guide to Wisdom and Justice

from Shades of Jade Podcast · host Sam Wooldrik

In this episode, Samantha Jade sits down with Bob Martin — a 40-year trial lawyer, former prosecutor under Janet Reno during the Miami “Cocaine Cowboy” era, and current law professor who also teaches meditation and wellbeing at Elon University. Bob explores how deepening self-awareness helps us better understand others — including those on trial — and navigate conflict with greater empathy and skill. From defending the indefensible (while still believing in justice) to what it truly means to “stand up” for someone’s constitutional rights, Bob offers a seasoned lawyer’s perspective on why vigorous defense isn’t about guilt or innocence — it’s about protecting the system for everyone. Bob and Sam also dive into today’s polarized world — the dangers of information silos, why consuming multiple perspectives matters, and the role of an informed citizenry.- Check out The Flow here: https://awiseandhappylife.com/  - To find all my deals, visit: https://mydeals.page/7fu7 - Want to be a guest on Shades of Jade Podcast? Send Samantha Jade Wooldrik a message on PodMatch, here: https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/shadesofjadepod - Music: Mozart Horn Concerto No. 4, K. 495 – III. Rondo: Allegro vivace, performed by Dennis Brain (public domain recording from Archive.org) 

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