Gray Rhinos and Black Swans: Making Sense of Rising China-U.S. Tensions

In a new episode of Talking Policy, host Lindsay Shingler talks with Jimmy Goodrich, an IGCC nonresident fellow and leading expert on technology, geopolitics, and national security with a focus on China and East Asia. Jimmy weighs in on the realities and misconceptions surrounding China’s heightened political and economic rhetoric, and what this posture may mean for future competition with the United States. This interview was conducted on August 6, 2024. The transcript has been edited for length and clarity.