Guest Host Lisa Von Geldern with Susan Ellsworth & Ron Desouza

Guest Host Lisa Von Geldern with Susan Ellsworth & Ron Desouza While Kathleen Winn was in federal court arguing that the Elections Procedures Manual violates the First Amendment, her guest host for the morning had her own court to hold. Lisa Von Geldern — Arizona state coordinator for the John Birch Society, organizer of the Salt Lake City conference that had just wrapped, and a woman who moved from California to Arizona to escape overreach only to find it arriving close behind — spent two hours making the case that constitutional self-education is not a hobby. It is the only mechanism that actually works. Two guests joined to reinforce it: Susan Ellsworth, the Arizona coordinator for the John Birch Society, who walked listeners live through the Freedom Index scorecards for every Arizona congressman; and Ron DeSouza, a young Tucson entrepreneur whose grandfather was a John Birch Society chapter chairman decades ago, who drove to Salt Lake City and came back convinced that the right is finally starting to organize like it means it.