Guests - Ava Chen, Betsy Smith

Guests - Ava Chen, Betsy Smith The morning Dr. Anthony Fauci sat before the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee and repeatedly invoked his Fifth Amendment right, Kathleen Winn built her Wednesday broadcast around a single claim she and her guests have pressed for years: that the origins of COVID-19, and the response to it, were neither accidental nor benign. The hearing supplied the hook. What followed was two hours of argument — first a sweeping account of the pandemic's origins from the movement that says it warned the world in 2017, then a blistering local turn on crime, prosecution, and the Tucson officials her second guest holds responsible.