Guided Meditation

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Do we seem loud? You're loud. I like the way the Tim's looking. I got a third eye, a grand in my forehead.

Speaking of third eyes, that's gonna be kind of our topic for tonight. Sort of. We're gonna make this... I just decided because we're gonna do this is a two-part episode.

Oh, we're in two parts now. Yes, we haven't recorded the first... No, but it's two parts and we're not doing them back to back. Well, my favorite part is the fact that Tim's gonna make this a two-part episode and we're gonna be like 20 minutes since the podcast going...

And it's gonna be a little bit of a short one to that post. That was my thought exactly. No, it's a two-part. We'll continue.

We'll have to talk about this mini Ouija board. Yes. We'll do part two, April first. So, April fools.

Was also Easter, which is one of our scheduled recording days. Oh, how about that? We probably won't record on Easter. Probably we won't.

We'll probably do the week before. We'll figure it out. Anyway, welcome back to the Wish Show. I'm your host, Castle.

To my left, we have Lurch. Hello. To my right, we've got Dianne. Hello.

We have got Tim, aka Beaker. What's happening? We do not have Brandi with us tonight, but we have the host formerly known as Silent Dawn who actually talked a lot in the last episode. He can't be called Silent Dawn anymore.

He's talked a lot, not just the last episode. Like starting this year. It's like, is that your New Year's resolution? Yes.

So, talk on the podcast. Hey, it took four seasons since we came out of a show. He talked a lot on the Winchester episode. He talked a lot on the last one.

He sees he's no longer. We can't call him Silent Dawn anymore. Actually, the trick at home is getting him to be quiet. So, the Silent Dawn moniker is just weird.

Have we been doing this four years now? It's three years, but season four. The green half of season four. We've been divided the seasons up into years just to kind of keep track of...

Doesn't seem that long at all. So, yeah, this would be the start of the fourth year. Who knew that we'd have four seasons to talk about in right stuff? I think it's the after like a third episode.

I'm like, I want to be talking about next. I don't know. We need to get that half a guy. You know what else we need to do?

Special guest interview with him. We need to go through some of our earlier episodes and recover some of those topics. That's what I'm talking to do. Because we've talked about before and a lot of our knowledge evolved as we learn more as we do more.

So, it'd be interesting to go back and revise and update some of those earlier episodes. It's kind of like our website. I don't know if you ever read some of those articles. Yeah, they just need to be updated.

Yeah, I've read them online. It's like, oh, do you take this down? Yeah, I need to. We actually need to go through an overhauled entire website.

Don't go there. So, don't go to West Side or something. You've got like a thousand more clicks getting the website tonight. Do you know that it doesn't make any difference if you say which direction people are sitting from you?

Because the listeners really can't tell. That's what they can form as visual. I could put up my camera and they could actually see it if I remember to do that. Why don't you?

I could. I could. We need to. It's kind of fun sometimes to get those live input questions.

I think I've been talking to the new ones and we might have them back on the show. We'll do it then. I think that'd be actually a great part for a two-part portion of tonight's game. We can talk about two parts.

Let's just record the first part. Let's get that done. We'll talk about it. If we continue talking about having two parts, we might make this one long enough to actually need two parts.

I'm trying to drag this thing up to 25 minutes. Don't push too hard, but before we get going, let's cover some business stuff. For those who follow the pod, it's business time. I've got my business socks on.

Don't ever do that again. For those who don't follow the pod page or the WIS page, you're naughty. You need to follow those pages. But we are doing an investigation on March 17th.

St. Patrick's Day. We're green. 9 p.m.

Please don't come drunk because I'll kick you out. But come on green or I'll double pinch you. You'll get ghost pinched. Yes, you will.

But we're doing an investigation at Fort Douglas. Like all our investigations, we're keeping the numbers relatively small. We're selling it up to make it interesting, but not so many tickets are $40. You can get those from our webpage.

Which buildings are we going to have access to? We will have access to the old building. They'll have the upstairs and downstairs of the dump key building. I've called it the past the bad building.

So the two buildings that we normally have access to? The one where the naval room is in the back. That would be the old building. We could go back there last time.

They had that stair we'd walk on. They did. That's where I had my pocket and I pulled out my back pocket. We had a lot of activity down in that room.

The last investigation that we had there was a WISPS investigation. Me and one of our guests actually saw a shadow figure cross across the doorway. I saw it and kind of dismissed it. I mentioned it later and one of the guests goes, I saw the exact same thing as we got compared and we realized we both seen the exact same thing come from the same direction.

We've had some really good investigations there. We've had some freak investigations there. It's going to be fun. Like I said, we keep our numbers small enough to see you have a good investigation.

But there are some tickets left getting before they sell out. I know the burn zzzzzzzzzzzzz are going to be there. I was there I was doing a spirit box leading a group of five or six people and we were getting names like Michael and David and we figured out that one was the father and what was the son and then Brandie not Peaches, but Brandie B comes downstairs and she's like confirming everything. There's a father and son here.

I'm getting the name Michael and the name David. So it's really cool when stuff that happens. Yeah, right after that is when I had someone from my group that decided they were going to challenge one of the entities in that room. Good times later.

We had a remover for my group and put her in isolation because when the Echo box, when you think it says F You, don't respond with F me. for me, no, FU. Bring it on. Yeah, I was saying it's interesting because we've been there on some of the chunk investigations.

We've been there on our own investigations. I know that Beaker's been there on some investigations or completely unrelated to either group. We've been to this particular location numerous times, and we've seen some really dark stuff, and we've had some pretty benign investigations. That's when we went on Annie was flirting with one of the spirits.

Yeah, I want to say, and to be honest with you, we've kind of found that we can control, and I'm using my air quotations here. We can control. You better use them because your sister will yell at you. He did.

He's good. I used them. But we can kind of control the activity to an extent. And what I mean by that is not the amount of activity, but we've figured out basically what makes the negative activity versus the positive activity.

And so you can kind of control and not have it be a zoo with a negative activity if you investigate properly. And I know it's a bold claim, but I think we've got it dialed in now. We've had pretty good experience with not having too crazy of a negative investigation as a family tree for Douglas and some other places. And we'll go into that when you show up as to how and why that is.

Speaking of family tree, Tim. Yes, exactly. I was going to say the same thing. Save the date on your calendar, April 14.

We will be going back to family tree. Tickets are not on sale yet, but they'll be the same price as last time. They'll be $50 per person. As soon as I think probably maybe next week or the week after, we'll throw tickets up on sale for those.

Yeah, as we get to the hair closer, so we're not interfering with Fort Douglas investigation. But the $50 includes only a lot of stuff, right? Yes, that includes dinner and the investigation. And that's what I was going to say.

With the family tree, it's a little bit more expensive investigation, but it's also much smaller investigation. We have considerably smaller groups for that venue. And it does include dinner. Well, scones is big as your head, which are delicious.

Bigger than your head. Yeah, as I was going to say, I've seen something that are actually probably bigger than your head. Yeah, if you like scones, one scones enough to be four people easily, or Tim. So that's that as far as that business goes.

I think I was going to think of business-wise that we need to cover. True, true. All right. Let's move on with the show.

See, hey, look, we're already like nine minutes in. Oh, right. So we can talk for 10 minutes, then we can start our second part. Sweet.

Let's do it. So actually, when we did our live Meevo cam, was it the Meevo cameras that we asked for an input or both? Both. So when we did our Meevo cam and what we asked you.

Last time we did the Meevo, it actually turned out really well. We had a lot of people tune in. And we did kind of like, we had a topic that time. But we asked that people.

I think it's when we did our Meeves episode. It was a nice episode. We actually had people tune in and were able to ask questions while we were recording. Yeah, it was the live stream.

There was a couple people that got a little impatient with us answering questions. But you got to, I can't even talk. I'm sorry, just woke up from a nap. You got to keep in mind that we were talking and we're trying to multitask at the same time.

So we will get around to your question. OK, well, now that we're in the new studio, I feel comfortable leaving my camera here. And then we can always have Elle if she wants to participate on the podcast. She could be the one watching the camera and tell us the questions we were asking.

That's actually a fantastic idea. So our topic today, the topic was brought up by all y'all. That's what you say back in the Midwest. All y'all.

The topic that was so dianne is all y'all. Woo hoo. I'm all that. No, it's official.

I'm sorry, y'all is one person. Yeah, you're right. All y'all is multiple. It's all y'all.

Plural. All y'all. I knew she was schizophrenic. So the question that all y'all came up with was people wanting to know about meditation, how to improve their gifts, guided meditation, and things along that line.

Now, I know that Dan and Beaker have both per taken. I was going to say, Pertacon, but that's not. Participated with being participated. Partaken by the e-guided meditation.

Guided meditation. That's the sky. The sky to meditation is a little stale. That should be the meme right there.

Guided meditation. I'm doing it. Just find some guy sitting with their legs crossed doing the whole, you know, the home. The home.

I'm going full of Simpsons on this. I'm just like a Simpsons, yeah. Anyway, since you two have per taken a good day. You don't eat it.

It's not food. That's the word that sounds like my mouth. Do you have done it? You've done it.

Maybe somewhere. Probably not because I don't eat it. It is ill. So let's talk guided meditation.

So I am completely ignorant in this particular field. So I'll just throw in my comments that have no rhyme or reason. Well, that's how you do any podcast anyways. Like you pretend like you know what you're talking about.

But you don't really know. That's kind of my job. All right, let's start this off. No, because I'm going to play the skeptic on this episode.

I read a little bit about what the theme is. Yeah, I'm kind of on the outs about this. So go ahead. And just I'm not to be disrespectful at all.

It's just something I haven't tried yet. And I'm not sure if I fully subscribe to it. Now you're talking about guided meditation. Meditation or spiritual general.

Spirit guides, having your own personal spirit guides. I know from like reading the scriptures that yeah, we are surrounded by angels on our left and on our right. But as far as having like oh hey, this is my buddy Steve. He's my guardian angel.

Yeah, I'm not sure. You believe in Annie, correct? I believe in Annie. She's one of Randy's spirit guides.

OK, that puts a different terminology on the word spirit guide though because Annie is a spirit that happens to be related to Peaches and is attached to her. So associating that is a spirit guide. I can see the connection there. But to me it can notes different.

You know, let me jump in real quick because I'm going to assume that not all our listeners have been with us since episode one. Maybe we should take just a minute. They have to have been. We don't have new listeners ever.

Let's just assume from that we got new listeners. Maybe we should explain who Annie is. Randy's our team medium and she is extremely gifted. Probably the most gifted medium I've ever worked with.

And I've met some, I've met at least 20 mediums and she's by far the most gifted medium. She has a great great grandmother that passed away in the 1920s that has been with her since the day she's born and she's been looking out after her. And she's been funny enough. Ever since she joined the team, Annie's actually been kind of like all of our moms.

She looks after everyone on the team. She'll go and check out the honest in our houses to make sure that there's nothing bad hanging out there and kind of report back to Brandy and Brandy will let us know if there's anything that we should be concerned about. Oh, I'm sorry. I was just going to say at one point, you know, I've mentioned this before I had seven spirits in my home and it made me a little uncomfortable.

None of them were benevolent or anything. But when we found out I was like, I'm a little bit more level. Sorry. They were getting bit of that.

Like I said, I just woke up from an app. Okay. It's early mornings and late nights studying. Not a little bit.

I feel exhausted all the time. So I woke up from a little bit of a nap. So I was going to go. So long like Coke there.

Yeah, I know I am. I need to get more caffeine. But yeah, they were none of them were malevolent. Thank you, Don.

And I just didn't feel comfortable with them there. So when I found that out, Annie went back and politely asked them all to leave and they did. I was going to say the thing that I've noticed just for a new listener is real quick as we kind of catch them up on who Annie is. I think every single person in this room has had an experience with Annie to the extent that there's no doubt in this group that Annie exists.

She is who she is. She says she is. I think I saw her last night actually while I was at Brandy. I've seen her out of the corner of my eye.

I've had her do things at my home. She's a jokester too. At the time when we went to the Estes Park at Stanley Hotel. She was trying to pull the tour guide.

We had a tour guide. And there was a group of like what 20-30 people. And one of them pulls out a... We should actually expect it was a ghost tour.

It was a ghost tour. Yeah. And one of them pulls out a K2 meter because they started talking about different equipment. So one of them pulls out a K2 meter and it starts going off the meter spiking a little bit.

And the person is getting all excited. And meanwhile I look over at you and Brandy. And Brandy is trying not to laugh because she knows it's Annie that's playing with it. And the tour guide is where they're going.

We've never had a K2 meter. That's so strange. I think my favorite Annie story is I have a neighbor who had a dog that they really, really loved it. It passed and they were certain that the spirit of this dog was in their home and they asked me that I could eat my sausage.

I just grabbed my K2 meter and ran down the street. And you put it at the top of the stairs where they thought it was. And the K2 just started going crazy. I thought, oh, hey, cool.

So I snapped a few pictures and sent them to Brandy. I said, hey, what's going on in this picture? And she texts back and she goes, what are you? And I said, I'm just in my neighbor's house.

Why? And she goes, that's Annie. I'm just in line with the K2. Annie does that quite a bit.

In front of public investigation, there's not a lot of activity. She'll start by the K2. Which is great. She came on vacation with us.

It was kind of awesome. Yeah, which is great. It means that there's always activity or ghost tense activity with us or actual activity at the venue. But not too far off, but that's who Annie is for our new listeners who have kind of come in and love our podcast and will reference her periodically.

And we'll make it a point to kind of cover who she is every. So we can feel something on the show. Shout to Annie. Hey, we're up to 17 minutes.

Three more minutes and we have a patient. And then we can have like three episodes. So when it comes to Spirit Guides, the theory on that is that actually everybody has a Spirit Guide and not just one. They have one main Spirit Guide and then they have several other Spirit Guides, which are all your main Spirit Guide is chosen by you before you're even born.

You pick out your main Spirit Guide and then others will kind of reveal themselves throughout your life. It's the same thing like Spirit Animal. Spirit Totem Slide. Okay.

Sorry. Go ahead. I'm sorry to interrupt. That's from Fight Club.

Okay. We're talking about the Spirit Animals. He's got the Penguin. Sorry.

So yeah, basically you pick your main Spirit Guide before you're born and you'll have several others that you've picked or several others that have been assigned to you throughout your life. And the Spirit Guides, the way that you know that they're there, it's kind of like that gut feeling you get when you're trying to make a decision. The theory behind that is that your Spirit Guides are prompting you to guide you in the right direction that you need to be going in your life. I know with me that when I first started trying to get into meditating and I was trying to figure out who my Spirit Guides were, that's the thought I had on my head like when I was going to bed at night and I'm like, I want to connect with my Spirit Guides.

I want to find out who my Spirit Guides are. I woke up the next morning and the name Rose was in my head. And for about two years I was asking everybody I knew that was gifted. I'm like, I got the name Rose one day.

I don't know who she is. Why it's significant? Can you help me out? And for the longest time no one could tell me exactly how this Rose person I were connected until you watch The Force Awakens.

Yes. You realize it was Rose from Star Wars. Okay. Never mind.

There's a Rose in The Force Awakens. Yeah. No, the last Jedi, I'm sorry. The last Jedi.

Yeah, I know how you're talking about. She's the one that crashed her ship. She's a crazy Asian driver. Yes, she is.

It's like your hate melt to tip with some horn. But so even in a galaxy far, far away they can't drive. Yes. Or Lurch.

I'm out to cut that out. So after I met Amanda last year we had her on the show and she did the energy cleansing on my shoulder. She was her and her boyfriend Colton. We're kind of the stepping or the starting off point for me for opening up my abilities and learning exactly what I could do.

And as I've progressed I brought the question back up to Peach's. I'm like, well, okay, so who's Rose? And she goes, Rose is your main Spirit Guide. She's been with you your entire life.

She told me the names of all my, I apparently have seven Spirit Guides and she told me the names of most of them. I don't remember the names of others. They're all incredibly busy, by the way. Now I remember when I first met Brandy though, we were driving with like three or four of the people in the car.

It was downtown Salt Lake and someone had asked, you know, well, if you can see spirits that are attached to us, can you tell us if there's any spirits attached to me? And it wasn't me asking the question and she responded to the person I was asking and then you know, just out of curiosity, I was like, well, is there anything attached to me? No. So how can, how can I have a Spirit Guide if she's already told me that there's not anything attached to me?

Is that the same thing? I had two spirits, and this might be a more recent thing for her, but she couldn't see spirits that crossed over. The other thing is Sophie Spirit Guide's been once crossed over, she couldn't see them. The other thing is, when it comes to Spirit Guides, a lot of the times they're only meant for you, so other people aren't going to be able to see them here.

Okay, so that's different than having an attachment that's stuck here. So there's a difference between being assigned to you and being attached to you? Yes. Yeah, so Spirit that's already attached to you.

Kind of back to Tim's original thing where he's talking about having met at least 20 mediums. I'm kind of the same, but with Tim, I've met probably close the same amount. And one thing I've noticed as I've talked to all these different mediums is I all have very different gifts that work different ways, they can accomplish similar things, but I know for a fact that Caden, for instance, could also see spirits that Brandy could not. Brandy, I think it's a developer gift to see those spirits, but basically some spirits are not all spiritual, all mediums, all the time.

It's kind of what I'm saying, which is kind of why sometimes you're like, well, how can this medium set this spirit was in this other medium came in to me later, so there's nothing there? I mean, even in our own team, Brandy sees stuff that V does not, you know, in the past Caden scene stuff that neither of them have seen. And it's, so I think it kind of falls in that kind of realm of I think different spirits kind of occupy different, not sound crazy, but dimensions, if you will, and certain mediums can see in certain frequencies, and if that spirit is outside that frequency and I'm using my equitations, I'm saying frequency. If the medium sees outside that frequency, they can't see that particular spirit, if that makes sense.

And so I suspect these spirit guides operate in their own frequency realm or whatever terminology you want to use, and that might not be as readily available to all mediums as it is to some. Right. I think at the same time, like, they'll, what's the right word here? They'll show themselves that's the way you're the kuratim poop themselves.

They'll manifest themselves when it's necessary to interpret it. Well, it's interesting with mine because the first time I was, Lurch, I was where you were, I, you know, I'm like spirit guides, and I can give you my theory on that in the LDS thought process here in a minute. But I went to, Gert Castle had me go to a psychic class a couple of years ago and the lady, the medium that was doing that, she taught us how to find her spirit guides, which was basically a guided meditation, but you do it on your own. And so I tried it a couple of times at night because you're supposed to do it when it's quiet, I kept falling asleep.

Well, I finally was able to do it without falling asleep. Yeah. Yes. Are you talking into your microphone, not at the topic of microphone?

No. There we go. Gosh, that sounds so much better. So I went and did this, you know, a self guided meditation and went to the whole process.

And when I got to the park where my spirit guides were revealed, there was a man and two women and the two women were kind of in the background veiled as I give Lurch a look and. Quite giving Lurch a doctor's look, your husband's right there holding your hand. Well, you know, in our religion, when you cross through the veil is the terminology for when you pass over from this plane to the next existence. Well, did I just turn on you, right?

Oh, she's okay. We did three episodes on that. So I can listen to him. Two of them were veiled.

Yeah. So two of them were veiled. And I thought, you know, why is that? And so, you know, she said, when you see your spirit guides talk to him, ask him questions.

And so I looked at the man and I asked him what his name was and he would not tell me what his name was. And so I said, well, I have to be able to call you a name because I don't want to say, Hey, you, that's rude. So I said, can I call you Charles? And he kind of rolled his eyes and he said, Yeah, that's fine.

So I called him Charles and I said, why are the two women veiled? You know, what's that? And he said, you know, they're just, it's not their job to speak to you. It's my job to speak to you.

And so I went, you know, for a long time thinking I had the three. And then I have talked and asked probably four or five different mediums, hey, you know, tell me about my spirit guides. And they have all told me I have four. They said you have two men and two women.

And they said, the one man is very much, you know, omnipresent, he's the one that's the spokesperson. And the two women just kind of run around. They're just gathering information and blah, blah, blah, you know, just kind of support workers as it were. And then they have all said that there's a fourth and the fourth is the second man.

And they said, he is just kind of in and out. He just kind of hangs on the outskirts. And it was interesting because I saw the three and then these mediums and I didn't tell them anything. I just said, hey, tell me about my spirit guides.

And they all said the same thing. And so I was really skeptical at first, but the more I get into it, the more I believe it's a real thing. You know, and I can see that from a religious standpoint, when I looked at it, you know, my religious belief, I know, pretty much everybody here at the table, share the same religious place to an extent. We should call this the Paranormal Podcast and LDS 101.

Except for Texas. Jesus is real. I believe in Jesus. It was just in the heat of the episode.

I'm LDS. I actually don't. So one thing that is taught in the LDS faith and most everybody here at the table is LDS is that we existed before as spirits. We came here to get bodies and we'll go back as spirits and eventually we'll get bodies again.

But the general consensus in the LDS churches that we are here to learn lessons and to progress and to make mistakes and fall down. And so it's me it is feasible that some other spirits who have either been here already or maybe even some who have not been here yet are kind of behind the scenes pulling strings, if you will, to kind of get us to make some better decisions along the way. To kind of smooth the path, if you will. And where I was going to go on the religious path was we believe in in the Godhead.

We believe that there are three separate personages. God the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost. And the Holy Ghost, it's his job to where do I want to go? Sorry, apparently I don't talk to the microphone.

Good. Holy Ghost was was part of the Godhead that was not given a physical body. And so I think he provides us with like promptings when we are faced with a decision to either choose the right or choose the wrong. He's that little tiny still voice that tells us, you know, this would probably be the best thing for you to do.

So the way that I wrapped my head around Spirit Guides and being able to mesh it with my religion is there's a Holy Ghost. Absolutely. I believe that I can believe that perhaps he is in charge of the Holy Ghost. Work with me here.

Assigning spirits, Corv engineers, and that maybe they assign spirits to you and they report back. And if there's a problem, he comes in. He's like the four star general overseeing all the. Exactly.

And everyone's assigned their their Holy Ghost spokesperson. That would be your main spirit guide. Like I said mine is Rosen. When I asked brandy a little bit about her, see if I can get some information.

What I found is Rose apparently is one of my ancestors, something that I'm related to. And the reason why she chose me and I chose hers because her personalities are so much alike that it just seemed like a natural fit apparently. So I'm still learning more about my spirit guides, but I do believe that everybody has a spirit guide, whether or not you believe in them, they're there. You've got someone looking out for you trying to make sure that you're making the right decisions.

And for the record, all the medium said that three of my spirit guides are related to me and the one that pops in and out, I believe is not. See, I can get behind that the way you described it to him because I have felt at times my life that maybe my relatives that have already passed on have been with me in certain moments. Whether or not that's my spirit guide or not, I really feel like there are times when I felt the presence of my grandfather because he was a music teacher, he played in big bands, swing bands, and I was into music for a long time. And I felt like when I'd be on stage performing, I felt like he was right there with me.

There have also been other times where I've been doing things where I felt like buddy of mine that I knew in high school who passed away rock climbing, like he was there with me or someone else. And whether or not that's my spirit guide or not, or just thinking about them at that particular time, I can kind of start to see the similarities there. And then a lot of the Asian cultures and other cultures too, the idea of the ancestor's helping her and that that's pretty prevalent in a lot of cultures, like in Coco. Exactly.

And Coco Hontas. It's not uncommon for... And Avatar. Oh, we could go on and on.

It's not uncommon for people's family members to look out for them and make sure that they're following going down the right path. Well, I say it interestingly enough. I mean, there are thousands of accounts of people who have been visited by recently departed family members as spirits. I mean, there's books written on the subject.

But for instance, I know that D'Ann and I knew a family when we were younger. And it was a single mother. She had several kids, but she has some my agent, Sundian's age. And they've gone out, not they, but the Sundian's age gone out with the friend Bicycling and ended up getting hit by a car and killed.

And that particular young man, I'm just going to call him Bill for lack of better work because I can't remember what his actual name is. Actually, I think I know his actual name is, but I'm just... Was it John Doe? For a minute probably.

It doesn't matter because it's John Doe. Anyway, so about the time where he got killed, he appeared as a full body spirit to one of his sisters and basically said, hey, you know, yeah, I got killed, everything's all right. I can't remember the exact message. I don't, but I also remember, because he went on a bicycle ride with another kid that was my age.

And we were in band together. We were getting ready to be in the marching band. We were all excited. And the friend that was with him just felt terrible.

You know, I mean, one, you see this happen. That's awful. But, you know, as you would as a 14 year old kid, you know, you kind of think maybe it's your fault and what did you have done to stop it. And he actually paired to him as well and said, you know, don't worry about it.

It's fine. You know, there's nothing you could have done. There was, you know, that's what was meant to be. Right.

So it's not uncommon for friends and relatives to visit. And, you know, those were kinds of rare cases where people like physically see and hear that kind of thing. But how many visitations do any of us get on any given day by a friend or family member? Well, that's slightly different than a spirit guide though, because if you have a friend or family or there's kind of visits momentarily, they're not necessarily a spirit guide.

Someone's going to sign to you and they're with you your whole life. Right. But what I guess kind of the point I'm getting to is that other spirits can visit us. This is true.

And so with a spirit guide, it'd be in a signed spirit. So on spirit guides, kind of going down that path and I'm looking at him with trepidation because I want to tread on his part two of the episode because I'm not sure what we're going to do with that one. But how does one get in touch with or how does one locate, learn about, et cetera, their spirit guides? Well, this is where the our theme of the show comes in.

It's through meditation. Oh, and now that's the show time for part two in two weeks. We drive this off to 33 minutes. All right.

Have a great night, folks. Just kidding. So I've been through a couple episodes of episodes of sessions of guided meditation. And the first one, it was just like, you know, they sit there and they walk you through and say, okay, you're you're walking through this meadow and do you see this tree and blah, blah, blah, this and that.

And the idea I'm going to break in here, the idea of what they say is to get you to clear your mind and to focus. And I liked it better doing the guided meditation because when you did when I did mine by myself, it was almost the exact same process. The difference was if you're doing it by yourself, you know, you get going and you know, you're thinking all the things and getting in the zone. And then, you know, your stomach grumbles and you start thinking, I'm kind of, you know, my mind starts thinking about the things that's really hard to stand track.

I like the guided meditation because you're listening to someone and it's a lot harder, at least for me to get off track. Who are my spirit guides? I'm going down the middle. Real cheese sandwich.

That's how my brain works, having enough. So the thing is like while they're doing that, they you're supposed to be able to see this as you're going through. And the first kind of meditation session I went through, I couldn't see anything that they were saying. I don't know if that's normal or not.

I don't know if people can't see the things or if they can. If they can visualize stuff like usually when I close my eyes, I don't visualize anything. It's just like black for me. It's just you're just to use your imagination.

I don't have one of those. What's that not surprising? I'm the team skeptic along with your chair. Okay.

Yeah. I think I'm a little more quick to believe certain things than he is, but we're both very skeptical of things. He's probably he's looking funny as I pulled out on my stone chair and laid on the table. And I'm holding the ones that I meditate with in my left hand right now.

I tend to take more of a scientific approach to like if it has to be tested repeatedly in different environments, different scenarios and have the same outcome, it has to be able to be measured, you know, things like that, things that are intangible. I have a hard time wrapping my brain around because you can't really prove it to anyone else. It's like personal experiences. You can't disprove it either.

But it's I have a whole conversation. We can do a whole episode just me and you're talking about we need to have that episode just you and me how you can and can't prove things scientifically through the general world. But I think that's for a different show. I'm still just disturbed.

The latest stones out on the table. I was wondering if anyone was going to say that. Can I touch a stone stone stone? I laid him out there.

He's got his one in his hand. So the first session I went through, like it's they do get you into that really relaxed state of mind. So you're able to actually focus more on stuff and you know, both times with the documentation, they get towards the end of it and say, okay, now connect with the spirit guys and ask them any questions you have. And the first time I went through the meditation, I really didn't experience anything.

And I don't know if it was me or if it was a person I was doing the meditation with, but I know the second time I went through the meditation, it was a completely different experience because I was doing it. This person actually set up a crystal grid. And that's when I when I did it with Michelle Newman. That's what I did my left as well.

She set up a crystal grid and she actually had me in one of those zero gravity chairs, which is amazing. Those chairs are really nice. And so I was even I was like extremely comfortable. I wasn't worried.

Like, I think part of the other reason was I was on a massage table and it was kind of hard and uncomfortable. I think with the zero gravity chair, that might have made a big difference because I was I was more relaxed. I was more comfortable. And some of the things that she described, I remember there's one point where she got to like, you know, you're walking, you see a pond and you like walk into the pond and like basically you said, she said, she said, she's kind of put your feet in it.

For me, I was completely submerged. I was under the water. I was able to breathe, but I was able to kind of like visualize like everything that she was saying, but to a greater extent than what she said. And then I remember she talking about like you see an eagle and I remember saying all that.

So with her, I was actually able to visualize stuff. I got to the point where, okay, now you're connected with these spare guys, ask them any questions you want. And I remember seeing and I'm pretty sure it was Rose, my main spare guy. I asked her the question that I had on my mind.

And I got the answer that pretty much that I've been getting from all the mediums that I've been working with is you already know the answer to that. And then I remember Michelle saying, okay, they have a gift for you. Imagine this box and what I saw was a box. It looked exactly like the box that carry on my rocks and as I went to open it, I it just vanished.

So I didn't actually get to see the gift that they had for me, which tells me that there's a lot more than I did to work on. And I'm not ready for that yet. But it was just it was a completely calming, relaxing experience. And it was kind of opening at the same time.

It's just like, as I'm talking with my very white voice, I'm putting words to sleep over there. No, I'll visualize this Brad Pitt and seven saying, what's in the box? What's in the box? That's kind of how I felt.

But it was just like, it's like, I wasn't frustrated like I normally am like, because there's been times where like I've been trying to open up my ability. I've been told there's so much that I'm going to be able to do. And it's frustrating because it's like, well, I want it now. And I know one of the things that they're that cadence told me that my spare guy to try to teach me is patience.

And the other thing is that they're trying to teach me is how to work with others instead of just saying fine, I'll do it myself, which I tend to do a lot. As castle tell you. Go shooting, I'm going to my face. Get out of my way.

I'll do it. So I'm trying to learn patients with people and learn how to work more as a team instead of just trying to take on everything by myself. And so when I when I didn't see what was in the box, it was no surprise to me. It wasn't in a frustrating because it was just like, I knew I'm not ready for that at this time.

But eventually I will be. You know, I went into the guided meditation and I don't want to say skeptical, but you know, not sure what it was because I've never done it before. And when she started doing it, I thought, Oh, okay, you know, I've done this before on myself. You know, I thought this is kind of nice having someone else do it.

Like I said before, stay focused. But part of the part of her process, I'm sure everyone does it a little different, but part of her process is early on, you connect with a tree. Did she have you do that? Yes.

And you connect with the tree. And she was kind of describing this tree. And I because you're in the zero gravity chair, so you're kind of laying back and your knees are up a little bit. And I remember feeling energy going out of my feet, flying up into the air and going back into my head.

I could feel literally feel energy circling through my body. And I remember thinking, Whoa, that's kind of cool. And that went on for probably five or six seconds. And then she said, you know, you should be feeling energy flowing through.

I'm like, I do, I do. This is really cool. She got to be like, testify. So that was kind of interesting.

And then yeah, when I got to the gift part, my spare, and there was Charles, you know, the two women were there and then the fourth guy which on around. Charles is ours. He is. Sorry.

And our listeners have no clue what you're talking about. Scott Beow. It's a touchy. Just give me a look.

I'm just like, you're assuming that all of our listeners are younger than 25 older than 40. Well, you said Charles and Charlie said no, our listeners are going to know that is so. It was an old sitcom from the 80s with Scott. No, that's what I'm saying.

You're assuming all of our listeners are 25 and younger. That's a joke for our five listeners over. Anyway, so I get to the spirit guys and she says, you know, go talk to them asking if you want now they have a gift for you. And I, Charles walked up to me and I opened his hands.

And Michelle later told me she says, everyone sees a box. And I was like one of the very few people that didn't see a box. It was just a big shiny ball. And it was knowledge.

And they wouldn't give it to me. And the feeling I got was, you know, there's knowledge for you. You can't have it all right now, but it, since it was glowy and it was, you know, the glow is kind of like you can have a little bits of it and pieces of it will come out. I don't know now.

Yeah. So I couldn't have it, but I mean, I couldn't have it all at once, but I got to take parts of it. And the message for me was, yeah, you can have knowledge. You just have to ask for it and look for it.

But father, I want a ball of knowledge too. For real good, darling. Wonka. How much for the ball of knowledge?

Yeah. Well, business, you insult. Knits. So I didn't get to open a box, but it was a glowy ball of light.

That's all I got. That's cool. Cool story, bro. No, I'm not trying to like, I'm like legitimately, that's like, cool.

I highly recommend, especially if you live in Utah and the American Fork area, contacting the Utah medium, going through a session of guided meditation, especially if you're looking to open up more or if you feel like you are somewhat sensitive or you have some sort of gift or ability, they're great people to work with, especially when you come to guided meditation. And even let's say that you save yourself, okay, you know, I don't believe in the spirit guides and that's all about you, Huey. Just to kind of get that relaxing and just focusing your mind. And, you know, if you don't believe in spirit guides, maybe instead of talking to your spirit guide, you can just focus internally on a problem that you're dealing with or whatever.

That's the great thing about meditation. It doesn't, like you said, it doesn't have to be about your spirit guides. For me, when I meditate the morning before work is just, I find it extremely relaxing. It just kind of helps melt away a lot of those frustrations and problems that I feel like I'm having.

It just kind of puts you in that peaceful state of mind where it's just like, it doesn't matter what happens today. I mean, in a good mood. And I'm going to kind of come back to lurch with this like skepticism on this, which is totally fine. Think about it in church.

I always say, you know, the religious church and ponder and, you know, there's ponder and pray. Quiet your mind. It has been in church. And so I think that I do book a Mormon scripture study every Thursday.

Awesome. I don't go to church, but I do scripture study. Take. We'll take what we can get.

No, but you know, call me in your mind and just listening and you know they teach to, you know, after you pray not to jump up and run off, but maybe listen. And so there's a lot to be said. You're kind of humbling yourself in a way. Right.

Whatever it is that whatever level you believe on, there's nothing wrong with meditation pondering quite in your mind. So let me ask because I, as someone who's never meditated the few times I've tried to do anything similar. Well, I think it's boring. For me, it's very relaxing.

Like I saw I've got a video that I listened to that's got like nature sounds and like, you know, water running and stuff like that. That would just make me need to go pee. You know, it probably would. And there's different, you know, there's different videos and stuff that you can listen to or different sounds.

Just like whatever puts you in a relaxing mood. And for me, it's like when I first started meditating, it's I got to the point where I just came here in my head nature. Is the one that has music by Slayer? I'm sure you can listen to Slayer and meditate to that if you want.

So there's the humpback whales. I got a couple questions as a non-meditator. I gave you that candle. I know I've still had that candle.

I meditate with it. So what the hell you doing? Make him meditate. Let me ask you all this.

So meditation, I'm sitting across like a thing in the middle of my bedroom. I'm like, oh, why are you doing that? I'm just painting the picture. Okay, I got my legs crossed.

I've got my backs and my hands and my knees. I'm living in my present. Tented into it. Anyway, how do I keep about thinking about that grilled cheese sandwich and B, how do I keep from falling asleep?

Okay, so don't do it at night while you're trying to do it. So the first thing I'll say is to keep yourself from thinking about that grilled cheese sandwich, one of the things that some of the people eating grilled cheese sandwich. And then after you eat it, you're just like, that was a great grilled cheese sandwich. No, so one of the things that someone at the Dancing Crane imports taught me when I'm craving a grilled cheese sandwich.

It's like we all got stoned. Dancing Crane, sorry. So one of the ladies at Dancing Crane, I told her I started to meditate in what I was trying to do. And she says, well, what works for me is she'll say either just kind of repeating her head, the word focus or center.