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I might be on Max. We got Shane and we're all together here. Two and a nine-queen Street West in Toronto. The Ontario, Canada, Phyllis.
What's going on? Lots of me going on. You know, you guys, I don't know if we're going to talk about your basketball league again. I said, I'll be talking about it.
Max came with a big smile. And he was like, we'll save it for the pot. I'm like, oh, we're going to another 40 minutes on purely basketball. But yeah, lots going on.
I'll give the floor to you, Phyllis. What do you want to do? Well, I called Shane yesterday. I was walking around and then in and Shane missed the call and he texted me.
He said, what's up? I was like, I just want to talk with the game. And you're like, it's the only thing I've been thinking about. I think we have to be careful.
We don't have any else in league. And before we begin, let me just say, anybody who's asked me about this basketball league that we're in, I tell them it is the perfect league. Because first of all, it's run amazingly, Ferg, who's a producer on the dessert. He's the fucking best.
He films all the games, records it all, does all of the work. He has the stats. He has the stats. And he has the score keeper there.
He's rented the gym. He does so much fucking work. And he's just a delight to be here. He's a great player himself.
He's a great player. He's got music guys. No, no, no, but I jumped. I genuinely mean it.
And also, everybody in the league is the perfect kind of guy to play the league. You guys are in the best team in the league. You have the best record. A couple of weeks ago, I know it was a pod or a few ago, you guys came in here talking about how you're the best and it feels like you're really trying to spread the love.
Okay. I got in a mild amount of trouble. A pod. Some of you have messaged me like, oh, where that one pod go was weird.
A pod came up and a pod came down. So I was on vacation in St. Martin when we released the podcast that discussed this men's basketball league. And I made some claims that might have offended some of the other team members thinking they're probably not listening to the best.
But of course, they listened within the first hour and a half of the pod being released. I had to take the pod down, re-edited it to make it more appropriate. I called one of the captains an idiot and I realized people don't like being called idiot even in jest. You're doing it in a loving funny, for comedic purposes on a podcast.
Yeah. So now I'm going to mind my P's and Q's a little bit more, but everything still that we're saying is true. It's a league and it's a full of entertainment people. So basically, like a comedian's cinematographers, producers, you know, there's some lecturers that work at the Toronto Film School day when our team works there.
And so it's just a nice group of guys. Everybody's roughly around the same age. The skill level's just perfect. The gym, and this is important.
It's a smaller gym. So it's four and four, but you don't get too tired. No. It's a full-size gym.
You'd be huffing and puffing. But like, all the variables are just rights Tuesday night, 8 30 or 9 30. There's four teams of league. Anyway, so we won our semi-final game and we get these kind of reports from Shane and Shane, you have a program for our team and it's, you know, you're very inspiring because you tell us what to do.
Yeah. Well, it's a possession-based program. It's kind of simple. It's just like whoever has the ball longer is going to win.
So basically in this league, the shooting percentage is a little bit lower than let's say we were in a university, former university players, but the shooting percentage is going to be much higher and rebounds would take less of a precedent. But Mark Myers is the best shooter in the league. But everyone else is in the league. It's kind of shooting like 35% let's say.
So I'm just like guys, we have to rebound, we have to steal, we have to get loose balls. And that's pretty much the plan. And Max totally has bought into the system. Oh, yeah.
You love the system. I love the system. And it was, we played Mark's game. We won.
Mark's the best win league, I'd say. You might be the best player, Max. No, no, no. I just had a good game.
But Mark's probably the best win league. There's a lot of, there's a few really good players. Shane, right? So my dad came to the game.
The reason why this was sort of fun is that my dad came and watched and he was having the best game. I think I'm calling Shane Dremont. Did you tell him to call me Dremont? No.
Because when he called me Dremont, I was like, Max told you to call me. I'm the elements of a more dreamer just as passion. Okay, works so hard on defense. Gets every loose ball every rebound, doesn't look to shoot.
He's making these crazy passes. Yeah, that's a game. Yeah. Shane just played his ass off.
And he was in charge of guarding the entire game and no one can guard Mark and Shane held Mark in check and made my life super easy because I just got to shoot it all the time, which is all for it. So for me, if my parent or a spouse showed up, that'd be a nightmare. I'd be so nervous. Like, you know, Alex probably wouldn't want to like sleep with me.
She's like, I make the lead score on the court. I make the lead sound a lot sexier. And like, then it probably is if you see it. So I'm like, oh, I played amazing.
She's like, but did you score? I'm like, you know, I chipped in a few. She doesn't know I went two for 36. So if she shows up, it seems me just breaking all these shots and defense isn't the sexiest thing to play.
It would be kind of humiliating for me. But Max is so confident he brings his dad to watch him play and just has the game of his life. Just like the best game ever he's stealing, he's scoring, he's grabbing rebounds that he would never even go for before. But he's bought into the system.
He's like putting his life on the line, like his ankles on the line, just ripping it off guys. I was so happy and doubly happy because Mark brought his kids. I have a lot of kids with a lot of family. Mark's the type two he can be fueled by stuff like that.
Not embarrassed. So the kids being there just made him be like, watch this. And Mark's trying to go psycho. And I told the team, don't worry guys.
I got Mark all game when he subs off all sub off. Mark never subbed off though because he had to prove to his kids that he's the number one dad. And then Max is cheering me on call me. I'm like, I can't lose like Max is dad is the number one dad.
He was like my dad. Yeah, dad dual. Yeah, yeah. We were on cloud nine afterwards.
Max gave his dad a big hug afterwards. A little pack and he said, I love you son like you. I love you son. I love you son.
I love you son. My dad was so delighted by it. But it was also kind of reminding me to be a kid because like when I scored I'd look at my dad and he'd like cheers. Yeah.
It was very sweet. But yeah, I was feeling great. Pops had a great day. Our whole team played Ben, our guy Ben.
So there was an idea for a trade a few weeks ago because another team needed a big party. I know you could trade. Interesting. And Ben is a comedian and does other things.
Yes. And really nice guy. And he's like kind of a big personality. And he was picked in the last round.
And he's made it down. He's like, I took that personally. I took that personally. And so Shane got this proposal for trade and Shane just let the group chat know it.
Guys, I don't want to do it. I'm saying they have requested a trade for Ben. And then Ben immediately in the group chats like I'd be really disappointed if I got traded guys. Okay.
I was like, I wasn't saying we trade you. Anyway, so obviously Mark's team got. Did you put it in there because a party was like, maybe we do trade him? Well, I want to know.
I like one. I want him to know he's wanted because he came from a place of being almost the last pick in the league. So I'm like, I want you to know other people want you on their team. They want you to bruise in there.
They're not black sheep. They're actually wanting to trade a guy who was picked very high. Her person was picked very low. So that would give us, you think a perceived advantage, but they're like, no, no, we miss picked and we want we want our team.
We need his rebounding. So anyway, when we play marks team, I can tell they have a game plan to guard Max super tight to guard this other guy, Tom super tight and to be all over Popless. Ben, who the guy we're talking about in the trade hits the first three baskets just drills them. And he ended up with like seven points.
Hey, man, I don't know if you guys are watching NBA, but you know, Daniel Russell was on the trading block all the way up. LeBron is a history of his team. He's been the training block. And then once the trade deadline passes, they loosen up.
And then they're like, Oh, I'm not going to get traded here, whatever. They're like, no, I'm staying on the team. I can settle in. I wonder if Ben had a similar sort of thing.
Where's like, Hey, these guys didn't trade me. I got close or at least they was thought about or discussed. And now I'm settled in everyone had the game in their life. So everyone played so good.
I don't know what. So I'm a little bit nervous. Yeah, we're talking so much shit right now. We're going to lose next game because the next game is against the team that I was talking in the pot.
I had to remove. Yeah, we're playing. We're playing. I'm not going to call them the smaller, but they're called the mallers, but they have their smaller team and some people have been making fun of them calling them the smaller.
So I would never do and I did not come up with that nickname for them. They're called the mallers for sure. Is that first team Bobby Leitenfern? Oh, shit.
Really? Yes. So they are fired up. They're angry.
Obviously Chris Robinson's defense is insane. Oh, yeah. And so Max, but we know what to do. Right when we have a move that we do.
Oh, yeah. We know what to do. Okay. You're not sharing it.
You can't listen to the release. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, the mallers are good. That was a good 10 minutes off the top.
I mean, that's promise. We added you bear. No, there was funny parts for sure. Let's talk about Civil War.
The movie. Yes, I saw that movie. Culture review. Yeah.
Well, I will say it was built up a lot for me. Mm hmm. I do like action to an extent, but I like intrigue more. And I think the ending to Civil War was amazing.
Like, you know, they set up a good little moment at the end, but leave the world behind to me was a much better film for my taste. We didn't put them in the same category. I wear a sort of a. Yeah, they're like no country for old men versus there will be blood five.
They're similar, but very different. So I went and started this movie. I like Alex Garland, obviously who wrote direct to this. But I'd ex-machina and annihilation.
Did you do anything else that we did? He did something between there. I can't remember, but it didn't do well. I didn't see it.
I can't remember. But anyway, yeah, I went and saw this because I was like, I'll promise like this. I love it sort of takes place in a not too distant future where America is in the midst of civil war zone. Like anything you've seen in the past, you've seen a movie like, you know, England in World War II, just like bombs are dropping.
You have to live amongst sort of like the reality of war is part of your everyday life and people can still have drinks, they can still enjoy each other company amongst war. Seeing that like a futuristic sort of America. The idea of like, say you're walking on Queen Street and you're just going to get some bread, but like a bomb is getting dropped two miles down the road. It's like what's happening in Gaza is happening here.
Exactly. And sort of like in this, you know, sort of, you know, North American sort of life that we've all grown up and we've never lived in a war time. Like that's touched us in a way that like is actually in front of us or like a clear and present danger. So anyway, that premise was like, oh cool.
Like even beyond the politics and I thought the movie did an interesting thing where it really didn't get into many politics. It was more just a movie about like journalism and sort of covering a war. Yeah, because you can't have politics if you're a journalist kind of. You just go and go and try to stay neutral and stay alive.
Exactly. I just went because I want to see I'm going to buy myself like basically Danke was wearing a Toronto Kiss with a Bed and then I was like wait it was like a 10 o'clock show in Hamilton on like the East Mountain and I was like I'm going to pop out if she gets back from Toronto in time and she got back like one minute. What was it? It was like basically I was like if I drive there I can get there at the end of the previews.
So it was like one of those things. So I was like fucking I'm doing it. It's a random like, you know, Wednesday night get there just as the previews are ending sit down and seeing that movie late at night in a theater like you're saying, change like a lot of action, but also I did feel like it was sort of really immersive and crazy to see sort of like a New York City is just sort of like sectioned off by war and then to the point of like the sort of the journalist and following their journey by the end the ending was so strong and it built to this thing and I was alone in a theater by the time it ended it was like midnight and I was just like I felt it all very sort of inside where I was like I walked out of the night as I do when I see movie I love which only really happens like maybe like once every two years or something. Leave the world behind was the last one.
I want to text everybody like it's a fucking banger go see it. Tell my brother he was in Miami with the Raptors I was like go see Matt Nae. Were you having a little one side? No, no, no.
Did you think Leave the World Behind could almost be a prequel for this movie? Because at the end of the world behind it's kind of like good observation. I love love love leave the world behind and because you did ask me which one I like more because I put it in the checker like go see Civil War which one's better and I was like I was like this one at the ending I don't feel so loud and it was so expensive bias. And you also you have a goal as someone trying to get me to watch it.
Yes. You want to intrigue me. Yeah. So even if you're like either the same you might as well say Civil War is better just to get my ass in the seat so we can talk about it here.
I got nervous I was over selling it though. No, I think you sold it. Perfect work for you. I tend to zone out in action.
Oh, yeah. And I really like seeing indie films in a theater. I'm kind of reversal in that way like an action film I like watching at home. I'm like indie film I like it to be like totally captivating.
That's really smart because I think an indie film is harder for you to pick up your phone and just wait easier to pick up your phone when you're at home and then an action movie you can just like throw on. And then the emotions kind of envelop you when you're just there and I like that feeling. It was action my brain kind of too. So actually not to bring it back.
I was thinking about her basketball league a lot. And we were watching Civil War and because Alex would be talking to me she's like what were you thinking about in there. I was like oh I was just thinking about match ups and how we got to get our substitutions right. Just like the ecosystem of the team.
But anyway over to you Max would you think. Yeah, you I feel like you had the most unique experience of the world. Yeah. The stars there like a real director was there.
Alex Garland director was there. It was totally packed. I got to talk to Matt Johnson from the show. He's there next to me.
And yeah that's a funny conversation because I was like hey I wasn't sure if you remember me or because I know we have lots of mutual friends. He's like yeah I was like yeah I was like Max. I was like yeah I know. I was like okay man just huge congrats on Blackberry and everything going on.
He's like oh yeah it's great. I was like also you've got you've done the thing that I aspire to. That's my one dream that I'll never probably get. But it's been recognized by Barack Obama and he was like yeah that's the best shit.
That's the coolest thing. That's cool. And then Alex Garland said a few words before the movie and he said I want this to be a conversation. So I'll be here after the movie and answer any questions that you have.
Like just personally or on the stage. No no no no on the stage. Yeah. I thought he was like an after part.
I want you to walk up to me and talk. I wasn't sure I'll intimate this one. Yeah no no no no. This is a pack theatre and I thought there's so many parts so many little details of the movie that made it feel super super realistic off the top of my head.
Like when they're in the hotel in the beginning and there's a bunch of report. Yeah and like but and so like on one hand it seems super normal. And then you're like oh the power just went out and people are super used to the power. Yeah.
And then laughing. And then laughing but there's like this undercurrent. Like people are also really tired and exhausted and a little annoyed but they're also kind of drunk. It's like the perfect scene.
It's like what we've seen it before in like Europe during like the World War. You'll see different you know where it's like oh like you live in wartime and you still have to connect with other humans but death is sort of ever present and you don't know which way the war is whatever. But what I loved is it's like we haven't seen that in modern North America. No you haven't seen that was what was awesome.
Yeah and like oh the elevator might not work. You might want to take this there. Okay cool. I thought Kristin Dunst was incredible.
Amazing. And then we played this like incredibly tired wartime photographer who's just sort of seen it all but like doesn't ever seem to like give herself the choice of leaving the war. It's like no this is just her life and this is what she has to do and nothing surprises her. And I thought her performance compared to the younger photographer was like much much better.
The younger photographer was the only thing in the movie that kind of took me out of it. She was just talking with me. I didn't see that. I didn't see that.
Yeah. She was just stracking a young looking. She was and over acted a bit. I thought yeah I thought she was fine as like that new character.
Like it was like. It was a very tropey. Yeah. So true.
So that to me like it's not a perfect movie but I just thought it was a great movie but to me that is not the weakest because I thought the actor did a job. I just thought it was just a little. The idea of the character is to Shane's point. She's the newbie.
So basically Kirsten Dunst is like this sort of like war tested old veteran and then this newbie really wants to get into this journalism game and go into all these dangerous situations and you sort of see it through her eyes. She's sort of the audience like sort of the trauma of war and how you know devastating and shocking and you have to eventually come down to it. It all kind of you go through this young journalist's journey but it's also like she's also like amazing at her job. So you kind of get and I get the movies tell the stories about the exceptional sort of people.
But yeah I just felt very there's like this old knock years ago. I'm a huge Star Trek generation fan everybody knows that he listens to this but there's a character named Wesley Crusher who's like 14 or something when the show starts but he's like a boy genius. Is that the kid from Sam by me? Yes.
So he's on Star Trek. He's on Star Trek Enterprise and it's like you're surrounded by the best in their business. But you know there's many plots and let's first two seasons where he like saves the day but Gene Roder the creator kind of based the character on himself eventually they get Wesley out of there but it's like if the boy genius always saves the day or that's what the story is about that just becomes a little bit like can we not just see like you know a story about these journalists but I also get the sort of decision to put that after there. It was just she looked so young.
She looked super young. And she was like oh so there's 15 year olds out there these situations it just it was like okay if I'm thinking about it too much I'm not in the movie. I thought the ending how they handled that with her. Then the Star Trek scenario like it was very cool.
Yeah 100% but I think she could I just feel like the character could have seemed like there were 24. Yeah and it would have been just as a kid I wouldn't have been as a kid. It did weird me out a little bit when the you know the guy from Narcos that yeah actor when he was hitting on her I'm like are they trying to make it seem like he's almost a pedophile because I didn't I thought it was a 16 year old girl that's the way she read to me. Yeah and I thought they were villainizing him at that point I couldn't tell what they're doing and she is like I think in early 20s but she's distracting the young looking so when you're a little bit in a mess that's what I was doing.
That guy other things about the movie that I loved is that I typically I have a hard time with horror movies this was a horror movie about to because you're just a stroller. No but it was a horror well it was just so eerie it was so unsettling. It was so unsettling it's like and it got super graphic you know when they're out in like Western Pennsylvania and there's people like hanging and there's a few and there's a few and there's just waiting for something terrible to happen that Jesse Plummets. Yeah so there's that there's which I want to get to the sound design felt so realistic that the sound of guns have never been scarier to me.
I've seen lots of war movies lots of action movies. And they don't scare me in those movies at all. Have you ever seen a movie Heat? Oh yeah the town.
Yeah they do a good job. Yeah but yeah I think and I think you talked about that I don't know if it was even after the movie or in an interview that I remember I was just talking about like the sound design with guns but there's a lot of attention paid to that. Yeah also the movie had the thing which is like what is the one all-timer scene and it's like not a lot of movies that you can watch a great movie and go like what's the best is like one banger scene and you know but this one had it Jesse Plummets is a scene. Yes all-timer.
Yeah I think everyone's going to say that everyone I know but I'm saying that's actually harder to achieve 100% because there's lots of great movies that still don't have that one definable thing that's like an old-timer. And also it's like the first time you experience it you don't know what's going to happen. That's like that's the power of that scene and on rewatch it will be just powerful because the performance is so incredible and the sense of dread will always be there but it will never be as lived as the first time you see it because you don't know the outcome and you don't know where and that's kind of the beauty of movies and we all try to predict where these things go because everything is a formula but when you're in a movie like this and it is wartime and you don't know what a character is going to do it's like who are like what's going to happen here and you don't know until unfortunately you get to be the characters for that scene and I'm really telling you to have that we'll just appreciate the craft but in the moment you're feeling it viscerally I think. Do you think the Felix character was telling Jesse the truth what he was telling where he was from or he was playing the odds on what were the best place on it.
That was confusing. I thought it was so smart. I'm like that's the best place. Where did he say it was from Florida?
That's the smartest move because you're almost saying your politics right there. Yeah. Here's the question why okay we've all seen lots of more war movies that take place in like East Asia or Europe or somewhere far away. There's been movies that take place in like the White House like Independence Day where the White House is getting blown up and something like that.
So like why did this one feel so much realer than any American like. War movie that like a fictional war taking place in America. I've never like because there's been other movies where it's like oh New York City is getting fucked up or like. Well there's something about this movie that felt so realistic.
No because all of those movies take place in a time frame that would have happened 10 years before that this movie takes place. This movie takes place in people living amongst it like it's the end of the war in this movie. The region the conclusion of the war. Yeah.
So so what this movie does is it basically shows you what it's like to live amongst the war doing mundane things. Oh how do we get gas it's like that's hard to find. It's like almost like the the everyday task or like like wait and look smart is what this movie does. It's the end of the war which is the exciting like oh white house is falling.
It's like there's an insurrection is that's usually where the story takes place in these movies you're describing. I think there's something on my head where this feels like oh this is like 10 years after that part and it's just like how do we get through and we've been through a pandemic. We're kind of like anything can happen. This feels very real like it could happen whereas it depends on the it's like aliens.
They would never do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And there's like this is a really hip attendant like it was a fashionista and and just came out to be like oh my god I'm like what's up to you who's here.
I'm like who's here. Richard Krauss is here. I was like okay. I was like do you know who I am.
Like no I don't know. And then I saw Richard Krauss last week I was a reviewer but a very I was about to Canadian review. I recognized when I saw Richard at the Indigo bookstore after Civil War. It's like Richard.
I loved I love what you did with Alex Garland up on stage there. You think it was great moving just walked away. Wow. He shared like a car with us in Montreal for JFL.
I think he did. Yeah. Yeah, obviously I love Richard Koe. Do you think it's more recognizable in Canada?
You were Richard Koe. It's a great question for probably Richard to be honest. He's on TV all the time. We have to look at the demos.
Anyway, let's get Richard on the pod talking with Richard. I'd love to. But what was I going to say? Us.
It's a war. We all recommend it. Yeah, I recommend it. I thought it was great if you're in a sort of interesting thought provoking or movies that just make you feel.
Have you ever heard Alex Garland speak before? I know he's British. Yeah, he's one of these like British people who usually sound smarter than Matt. Yeah, very articulate.
Yeah. And the way he answered every question, it was this perfect combination of like deadly serious British guy, but throwing in a joke there. Give us an impression. I say, OK, do you want me to my British?
Hell yes. OK, Ash is cringing over right now. Ash doesn't want me to go. I was like, well, what are you going to do after this press store?
What are you going to do after this press store? Well, I'm going to get it. What? Well, I'm going to get it.
He's going to be a withdrawal. Yeah. It's kind of turning to a little bit. I can't do it.
Well, I'm going to get it. Me and the lads. Me and the lads. We're going to go and eat a ham stuff.
Ham stuff. So that's what we get to lap the ham sandwich part. We're getting on the plane. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That was perfect. Thank you. I wish this better acts and work. No, you'll get there.
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Speaking of movies, guys, I know Mike knows this, but I landed an acting role. An actual role in a movie. It's kind of like a mini series, I guess. Is it a commercial?
No, a mini series. Oh, so this is a different thing that you mentioned. Yeah, I actually, I didn't get the other. Sorry.
I thought, oh, you just, you audition and then they always leave it up in the air. Did I get it? Did I not? And then you just see it one day on TV.
You're like, I guess I didn't get it. And I was hoping for that a little bit. Like always kind of be in suspense or have some disbelief that I might have gotten it. But no, they emailed you.
They go, you didn't get it. And it wasn't even that kind of a... No, and then they give you bullet points of what went wrong? Yeah, it was a large thing.
Well, you can improve, love your personality. Well, that sucks. What's your mini series role? I don't know if I can say the title.
But it's got a little league, big women or something. Oh, he's about a league of women playing softball. So I'm like, what's my role? What's my role?
They're flying down by her. Yeah. I thought it'd be like the Tom Hanks, like kind of like, you know, what's the... League of their own.
League of their own. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, oh, yeah, the hunky. Tom Hanks character. He's not hunky.
He's not hunky. I know, but I'd be the whole person. That's what... What if what if they was the role but they needed you to put on 30 pounds And they'd received your hairline with like makeup.
We got a I'll receive my hairline with makeup easily But gaining the look I have to really get in the way you have to truly put it on well The money would have to be in alignment with the ask right 1.2 million. Yes Oh no your the mayor role they're like if you want to go read the script and tell me if you want a mayor of the town Yes, I'm like this is gonna be some young cool mayor So I read it and of course this is a description the door is open letting in an older man older capital He's basically mayor quimby and both looks Shout out I'm like I'm really in the last year looking old like I just did a test shoot with my wife I'm looking a little older and then I don't want to talk about this in like super detail But we had my mom's celebration life. Yes, and a guy comes up to me afterwards. He goes so surf your loss He's like that was your sister.
I'm like no, that's my mom 50 or something you look younger than ever you your hairline's great your hair looks great. You're perfectly chiseled I think they're shirt off a basketball good lord. What am I? Just the beginning You yeah, I would say that it's hard to see us I don't know what you look like other people because I see you every day in my life Well because I'm used to you know we got a bit of a raw raw thing where it's like guys we just don't age Yeah, they're you know, we're drinking we're talking about how great we all look at the relative to each other Yeah, I'm like new people are kind of being able to detect our ages.
I'm finding totally the fact yeah Yeah, it's tough if you're like at a bar watching like a leaf scammer or something that and There's just a bunch of other and it's like a 19 plus place Yeah, you see just a bunch of boys there. Oh better like 22 and you look like you're 14 like I could be your father. Yeah Yeah, maybe I called sir a lot now to like it happened on the train today almost like sir Could you please move your bag? I was like oh, that's not my bag.
I'm so sorry Eustracious energy like this was a very young Well that we were we went to a party for our good friend Bertci a while ago And it was at his very successful and in demand bar Paris, Texas But we were sort of in the sidebar room area wherever but we were I was me and Nick from our college We're just looking around and it was like the young bro. Oh my god these days is it's like I don't know It's just like a whole other planet and I know this is like a tales oldest time that you'd sort of you move on and you're out of that cohort But I'm just like oh this crowd on a Saturday night like what did art like we were 23 24 like we're just a funky monkey and Hess Like did we look like Motown absent Motown was our era. Yeah, but yeah, I don't know was there a lot of like I just don't know I it's a different scene man. Well in this conversation.
I always just think about the famous Roy Boyline Yeah No, he looks at a picture This is the story where we took a photo and I put on fun I instantly was me my dad my brother staying in front of your old place in Hamilton and it's a nice photo of us in front You're placing three of us like put on Instagram like hey daddy I'm like look at check it out. I just posted a son instant or whatever You go fuck and I was like what it was I don't think I look like that I'm like what do you think you look like and then he pointed at me? I think I look like that and I was like oh He sees himself as forever in his early 30s. I don't know what it was But I just don't I'm fascinated by the idea of like when you just you look at a photo yourself one day ago Oh, I guess I guess it's actually are good indicator because mirrors are tricky too Sometimes you know how to like alter your face in a mirror to look like your best angle when you're looking at your side Like crazy like stark lighting and I thought we all look good and then you look at it Okay, let's not use the ones where we look like 50 year old man Would you go back if you could like you just go back 15 years would it be worth it and then what you can't get to the same outcome?
You're at the premise. Oh, you know, you wake up 15 years. So you go to sleep tonight, okay next and you wake up You wake up just like you think it's this morning, but it's actually 15 years ago. So you're gonna do it Oh, I think you gotta do it.
Oh, I can't Yeah, well, you know everything that you know, but I couldn't go back I couldn't go back because then I lose my kids. No, but you just figured out how to get Danica back They won't be the same kids haven't you? Yeah, each sperm is your kid Or imagine if it's a way worse like you Like you go back to my apple stock, but then you find yourself miserable on an island somewhere I don't know I don't know the answer There's no proverb, you know, I believe in it's you know the one with the farmer where you know, maybe yeah We'll see we'll see is basically the moral of the story is you know, he has this see he's horseshows up one day And it's like he's like wow, that's such great good fortune. He's like see, you know And then the horse like runs away like oh that's so sad.
We'll see horse comes back with three other wild horses Oh my goodness, it's amazing. It's like we'll see, you know, and then I don't see his son is riding the horse one days And the sun falls off and breaks his leg like that's so unfortunate It's like we'll see then the army comes it takes all the men to war But they don't take the broken leg. That's so fortunate. We'll see this is the chance Bluey they're selling the house.
There's a step we could talk about blue blue culture. You do you got thoughts? So this bluey episode which by the way, I don't know what bluey is but it's even made its way into my algorithm Yes, there's like a today explained on the end of bluey. What is blue?
It's like a cartoon that's it's they say it's for kids But it's kind of more for adults in a way they do this thing perfectly where every episode resonates to the the parents and it has like an emotional It's like kids like it's the kids love it. It's the greatest children show. I think of all time Australian trains Even be the one of the greatest shows so why is it ending there? We don't know if it's saying they haven't really said that yet, but it's eight minute episodes So it's the reason why it's more likely to end than other shows like let's say the Simpsons They hire a 30 year old woman to play Bart when the show started knowing oh we can keep this Bart voice forever Bluey didn't know how popular it was gonna be so they hired a little girl to voice bluey and this little girl's getting older now The two girls I think are like they're a writer to the writers kids.
They're anonymous They've never released names of these kids and so these eight minute episodes an Australian show both these these Follies dogs that's three seasons It's probably been around for like five or six years pre-pandemic and it's just each eight minute episodes amazing like their class I could show you an eight minute episode and you would feel things by the end So like actually pod listener reached out years ago. I'm like hey blue is a good show was it only had one season at that point took me It's amazing they came out with their first ever super size episode. It was like 28 minutes long I can't always but this was one. This is how it got into your algorithm is it It was such a fucking great episode and basically the healer house owner.
That's the last name They were healers. Yeah, so they were moving out and that and it's all that they were selling the house was the teas from the episode Before the episode and then they did this full episode or like will they're what they sell the house and bluey the little girls She's two sisters. It's like a five-year-old in like a three-year-old three and six whatever they are I can help lose But anyway, she's dealing with the idea. They're gonna leave this house They've always and the whole thing about their families It's like it's all like imagination to make believe but it you know mirrors real life And it's just poignant and profound and but also done eight minutes and it's funny like the jokes are legit funny But yeah, so this episode though You didn't know if you're gonna sell it or not sell the house and when bluey was like oh, I'm gonna be leaving I'll never say any of you again to a kindergarten class or kindergarten teachers like oh bluey I'm gonna my strength accent.
I've ever heard the story of the farmer and then she tells the farmer that like yes It seems really sad that you're gonna be leaving your house and leaving our city But we'll see and so this brings us back to if you wake up 15 years ago. Hmm. Yes, you might have a better life You might have a worse life, but you don't and even what seems bad isn't necessarily bad. What seems great isn't necessarily great like oh we get a TV Awesome, hey, we get this the ending of that episode yeah in a way Well, no, you didn't tell the city.
I'll come but did you yeah ball your eyes up fucking right? I mean Danico were ruined and not only that but I thought just from a storytelling standpoint the movie okay spoilers for bluey So this what they do so you think they're gonna sell it they got this this couple that's gonna buy at these shaggy dogs I can't see and the whole shows kind of like this tapestry that's all connected and all this stuff But basically the dad is like we got a move like I'm making more money in the city It's a better life for kids and the month chilies like supporting him But the kids are so you tell them on doesn't want to move that they love this house whatever and then the real estate agent character Like hey the will see thing we're going to learn a lesson changes and necessarily scary don't worry. They're trying to tell kids like you know embrace changes it could be good it could be bad So I'm like that's a setup that I'm preparing myself emotionally for when they drive away that might be the part where I So this couple that walk through the shaggy dogs when they first look at it doesn't have a pool whatever That's kind of just said as a set up thing There much other stuff happens is a wedding blah blah blah But near the episode as the healers are getting ready to like leave the house all the furniture's been moved out So like you can't that's they're not gonna cheat they're not gonna get the house back the couple is they end up They're up and like you know like a lookout point where you can see through like when I can see through like a whole So like I'm gonna get the ball wings in the So earlier in the episode blueing them and try to stick a coin in but they put in the wrong slots You know what jams those things so this couple's up at the observatory later in the episode near the end and like I look at There's a coin in there the guy kind of like rigs it pops out and they put it and they start they look They get it to work and you look around the city and see another for sale house with a pool So basically then it cuts to bandit He's in the car about to leave and he gets the call from real stage And basically if you're willing the couple's will in the back out because they found another house I think it's if you're willing I think there's a closet in 24 hours you can back out sure whatever the Alleys are that was the minute they see the pool my brain my storytelling Yeah, that's it That's how they're gonna get out of this and then the dad gets the call and the kids cuz they keep they think they can just take the sign Just get the real estate sign out the house will be for sale anymore So these little cute kids are trying to get out and they can't and then so the dad like hangs with the phone They're in the car and the mom the kids don't know what he's gonna say and he gets out He walks over the sign he could thought I like tries to pick it up There's this amazing song by the strainers and gets it he throws it and then the mom runs and she like hugs him in the kids I want he collapses to the ground and they all jump on the house like it's just so brilliantly done And yeah, we were just yeah, we're just you and Alex's room I wasn't gonna watch the episode and then you had said it made you cry But I'm like I'm like you know probably saying it made him cry But I can't imagine my crying but then I saw a papalas he put up a post with his wife Like this like actually taking pictures himself crying I don't like I don't think I'm gonna be that emotional, but I'm gonna watch this and see what happens So I'm like proudly watching with my arms crossed and then once they start looking through that thing I'm like oh fuck Then I'm ruined for like 10 minutes crying afterwards. Yes, it affected me probably more than anything Why did it affect the case I know because I obviously I don't know the show at all the characters of the tone of it I do remember the feeling of being a kid and like loving my house and my mom would Joking leaves or taunt me saying oh we should get a house in your hyper or maybe we should go live a thing And I would be I rate because it was like why would you say no to David my best friends?
They live right there obviously I was like are you kidding me? So I remember those those really strong feelings around a house But why was it more like is it like a father? Those fears of us moving yeah, it also does that double thing where it taps into the the fear you have about your kids having fear But yes and how naive kids are and they think I'm removing the sign means something But it doesn't the one kid is also exactly Betty because Betty has like a laissez-faire attitude about some things because she doesn't realize The implications so there's this one the littler kids like oh, I'm so glad someone bought our house That's a good thing and though you the whole episode you're led to believe that this little kid And then the day they actually believe the house like okay come on we have to go It's like we have to leave our house. It's like yeah, we sold it remember you're okay with that I didn't know that man.
We have to leave our house. No, that's what would happen to Betty She'd be like one she knows what she has to do so all these things happening. It's like nostalgia We were once children now we're parents too So we're everything hits you at once and it just was overwhelming Hmm and there was jokes like they had a big wedding at the house and then the next morning like one of the drunk dad's rolls out of the bush She's like what does it make like they have funny little bits in it And it was just sort of I thought a perfect like 28 minutes. Oh my god Yeah, we have a friend who does children's stories.
Yeah, would you guys ever wanted to children stories like the art of that or is that? This is the first thing that ever you ever become a parent This is the first thing every creative does when they become a parent is start reading these like these these books Like he sees and boys books or any of these children's books and you go I can fucking do this They got rich doing this like let's start a fuck let's not write children's books. You think oh, this is not gonna get rich But you actually have to do it. Yeah, and it's you know a lot of great.
Oh, yeah exactly to do it great That's really hard and the people who do it average who have cut through they have so many connections and there's so many books that don't do well Yes, people actually have done because I could write a children's book in an hour Like so I read these ones to Betty for like three year olds. There's like 15 words in the whole book Yeah, so easy primitive ending so obvious like obviously for little kids, but we could do it easily But we probably couldn't get it published cut through cuz everybody's everyone sees it I try it you gotta be Paul McCartney's children's book You gotta be Paul McCartney's exactly it's a hundred percent Yeah, or you're just part of the whole group or and you know Paul's Paul's writing for like children's cartoons and stuff But again, that's like any writing gig. It's like writing for a sick I was like you gotta get in you gotta make connections and you gotta do the damn thing But yeah, Jimmy founds book has literally two words in it. I never saw it.
Did you buy? Yeah? Yeah, what are the words? Yeah, that was my thing.
Yeah, well before we go a lot of our kels fans people who just love the band and music you make It's an exciting time because our cows just announced a bunch of tour dates. Yeah, so this is back half of the year Yeah, coast to coast Restarting health acts all the way to Vancouver when does it begin in October into November? I was excited, you know sometimes I can zoom like a post I feel like a fan I'm around you all the time we all talk about a million different things we're all working on and I always know Our Kels world has the percolating and I think I had you were planning some shit But then when the announcement gets made and you see all the dates and the arenas and all that shit Yeah, I got different openers for different chunks. Yeah exciting It was like oh, that's the challenge a couple things one is how do you make it feel exciting for your fans?
Because you do it for a while and how do you make feel fresh in the support that we have pool side? It's really cool. I kind of dance in indie dance band who have a couple really amazing songs I love who I saw play recently Toronto. They're on the on the bill Joel Plaskett who's like one of my heroes He's playing with us in Atlanta, Canada We're playing with the Valley who are great younger band from Toronto and K-Flay who's our friend and Yeah, and yeah valley on the pot.
We should the office of new tunes coming soon. Yeah, you know It's and then the other part is like how do you cut through and this is like just purely a marketing question because like we're all sort of The whims of the algorithm There's so many like announcements that happen with some of my favorite bands that I didn't know they're going on tour Oh, but they're in Toronto tonight Like this is one of my favorite death gaffers here Like how did I not know that and so then it becomes like how do you get the algorithm on your side? How do you get people to share it because it's more it feels more about People sending the clip and commenting on it than anything else would you agree? Like I just like you just want it to be shared as much as possible sharing is the best way to get something out there because then You're getting that person's whole catalog of people in their lives.
Mm-hmm may never have heard of you Mm-hmm, so it's not just the fans like yeah, like you want the Richard Krausses of the world to see it Oh, not normally be in your algorithm. Richard Krauss again I was like Oh, I know Richard. I want to brought up Richard Krauss. Yeah, that's so crazy.
I'm a brain The how did you come up with the big feeling story? Yeah, so some would say there might be a new song It works actually some would say that if you look on our Instagram right now, it was a little bit of a tease there Really and so that is another part of it. Is this on that was previewed on the way to Detroit? Some would say maybe my ears are still ringing after that 12 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so there's a new song and yeah came up with the flowers concept with the hand and that's an Nothing actually my D idea because we're talking about some imagery around the idea of big feelings and I was like a flower interesting because Flowers can be given for any kind of occasion.
So it's like happy and happy and sad It's like you know monumental occasions So it's like could be for a funeral could be for a wedding could be for a anniversary could just be to a friend you're sick You're sick. You're sick any of these things. So we're like, oh, that's a really smart idea So yeah, Nathan took the photo and yeah, we've shot a bunch of stuff for like it's funny You don't really call the music videos anymore like there will be a music video for it that will live on YouTube But just like visualizers is what we call them We don't have a bunch of music video. It's a visualizer budget 1000 tick to Different Absolutely, right.
We did with mark. Yeah the failed basketball player and And marks the fucking best we such a good time shooting stuff with them. Yeah, so it's fun It's like, you know, I think the thing that I've been talking about a lot lately as it relates to like our line of work in the band Is that you know this is gonna be like we have like nine records or something? You know like I met Mike 20 years ago Mike and Mike 20 years ago comes September Wow like I met him first year Like it's so long and so then how do you you went back in time 15 years?
Would you stay with them? Oh, yeah, of course like your brothers. I wouldn't change much. I think I just do things a little smarter That's the only thing I do is just like I'll take a couple little things other ways.
I'm pretty The odds of being a better band like imagine like Brandon Flowers was like in front of Mike or something Like that would be the only better option maybe yeah, I know I mean I don't know. I guess I don't exactly how the rules of the game work Ironclad science fiction rules. Yeah, we can all decide I like that and so yeah So 20 years of friendship, but in 20 years of man But also I was talking about this with your brother Greg when you know bands have been around for the song It's usually this era when they kind of maybe get it feels a little dusty people are a little over it Yeah, because there's a whole song and dance that you need to care about if you want to project Enthusiasm into the project. It's not just enough to just write a song that you're pumped on Like you have to really care about all the other parts of it and ash is such a huge part of that Obviously making sure that everything like feels as good as it should and that includes like how we promote A tour what the music video looks like what the other looks are for the songs like where where else can the song live and how can we participate in the music industry In the way that it moves in 2024 because the music has changed so much in the last like five or six years so all those are new challenges and They're hard challenges, but they're good ones and that's like the new assignment It's like okay, just get the word on the tour get the word on the song Also lean into the back out a lot because there's so many songs now too It's interesting to see certain artists like be rediscovered or people kind of re-remember that they have the song in their catalog that people love So yeah, that's like kind of what we're doing right now and um, you know, we the R.
Kel's family's grown There's more kids in the mix. Yeah, so there were sort of like dancing around the schedule which makes things Uh, you have to kind of think about a little bit more thoughtful in the way we organize our time because before it'd be like, all right We're gonna have five weeks later and that's that and there's not really much of discussion But yeah, but we're lucky that we have sort of it's a privilege to be able to like organize our calendar a little more like reasonably You sort of touch on something about like how bands tend to slow down after you know multiple years of doing it in the cyclical nature of the R. M. Tischo law It's because people do their lives change but the secret sauce it feels like you're just as ambitious as ever And I think that's probably what changes for a lot of bands that have been around a long time is because they're like, I'm kind of I'm shifting here.
I'm shifting here where they just take their foot off the gas Your personality type. I think it's so naturally Motivated that it's just like that seems to be the secret sauce as to why I think you guys are just as sort of like a motivated and excited to create as ever Yeah, and it starts with this I think the songs itself, right? And just like our people pumped on the music because it's also very easy for bands to sort of get tired of each other Not even personally, but just like are we making anything worthwhile? So it's like how do we keep the music exciting and that's all involved in that and that part of the business And then the second part is like, okay How do we make the live show just as good as ever?
So like who are we hiring to bring in to design the stage? Like who are the other professionals working with to make sure we're kind of getting the most out of it? And um, but yeah, I think I like yeah, I think I'm like sort of ambitious little competitive or something. I don't know if there's something that I want to really kind of Go for always.
Hey, so come to the tour big feeling store. All right. I'll be there. I'll be there too.
Every day Me and you you want to follow me every day most of them most of them. Yeah, I think All right, that's it. That is all thank you so much to Nathan Nash to command your ash and thank you to you the listeners for listening to us and hanging out It was a good hang maybe the best If you're a business owner, then you know they call it running a business for a reason EQ bank knows it too knows you're running the team running the show and you're definitely running the numbers EQ bank's business account is built to help you make bank It has no monthly fees and earns high interest so you can keep running what really matters Sign up today at EQ bank.ca slash business The scorepad app here with trusted stats and real-time sports news. Yeah.
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