Hi, hi everyone and welcome to the N tonight. How do we introduce this fellow human being? He is one half of the overlords over at top grumps. He is also one half of what can I call the probably the second classiest podcast we do behind the fist one, of course, the bar and it goes anime club cuz babies on a tennis court portion in the southern and then nerdy, probably monsters then nerdy cuz we keep getting wrong from actually we get more wrong than bloody top grumps lately.
But how are you Chris? How are you sir? I've got yourself. Yeah, we're professional, you know Chris.
Talk about economy. I took a vape as I was going out of it. Yeah, really good. I had fun yesterday going round in Castle Common Con with you and seeing how the sausage is made and that's all the sausage is made.
But yeah, yeah, cuz we wouldn't have been announced this on the podcast last time because we didn't know about it. So yes, this week we got how do we put this like there was a post put out on social media that Monopoly were looking for content creators, people to kind of help showcase the events, I think. And maybe and me went a little not piggy but let's see what happens. So I sent an email just telling them a little bit about us what we've done in the past and they've got an email back saying let's talk more.
I thought it was fun, not gonna lie. I thought it was like someone after me details cuz they wanted a second means. I was like, I'm going to say, is this dodgy? Sure, no.
So I trusted Sam. Sami was the one I had faith in. But yeah, then it went from there and basically we've been we got asked to be official content creators for Comic Con North East this weekend. So I've been busy bees with Lee and Chris, my little work of bees have been absolutely stars.
I'll be honest, I normally have some of them off but I kind of like them off for the graphic and everything they did yesterday that was weird. Was all little Beth or Beth's okay, actually got them well on the day so hope you feel a bit of Beth. And yeah, like just a big shout out to all the most amazing people Mike, Mike, and Kerry from the gig asylum. Use my support for the whole weekend.
Like whenever I felt because Sami doesn't, well she doesn't know it. Like she's my little security blanket. So when my anxiety gets high and I feel like running away and hiding, these normally to kind of bring me down or make me feel safe. She wasn't there this weekend because she's fucking off to Disney, which is horrible.
So Lee and Chris are great, but they have got chaotic energy. They haven't got relaxing energy. They're like chaos emeralds like Sonic gets and turns into supersonic and you just feel like what the fuck is going on trying to keep up with these two little bastards. But yes, Kerry and Mike had a little safe space with the gig asylum thing.
Always there to order us, always there to chill and just bring us back to back. So big lots of love there. But yeah, there's been a few posts on Instagram and other places where we've done a few things. There's a lot more to come.
So keep keep your eyes out, keep liking, keep sharing and keep giving us the love. But yes, that was a great weekend. So yeah, sorry. That's my little thing over with.
Excellent. Okay. Shall we end? Kind of end spooky season?
Let's let's put um, and we're in the coffin shall we say, but all hello's Eve, weekend. Yeah, it's all the guys. We're in November. Just here.
Santa Claus is coming Christmas spooky. So, Sammy, do you want to do your disclaimer before we get to a lot of YouTube once again? Shocking content. Yes.
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Yes. Was there something more interesting than what I was seeing there, Chris? Well, someone just started setting off my work. Sorry.
Oh, that's okay. I understand that. I've got loads going off next to us. So Chris is like a little dog.
They got school. No, no, no, no, no. He was getting turned off there. What?
But yes, sorry. Um, before you do the taglines, I know you're excited about the times. And I really, really good. With it being a movie.
Well, the movie we talked about today, if you haven't noticed, is the 1978 John Carpenter Classic Halloween. I want to ask a question before you do the taglines because out of the three of us, one person watched this movie for the very first time this week, how have you went through your adult life and not seen the most iconic, not this iconic slasher, but iconic horror movie of all time, Chris. Can you answer that? Well, yeah, I can.
Because as a youth, I spent every spare minute of my time watching an anime. Right. So, but for anyone who hasn't watched anime, it's called Hentai, and it's got not a lot of interesting things. Does Google search Hentai?
I'm sure you'll not be disappointed. Even animal, that is. Yeah, everyone thought that. I thought that was me, but no, and this is one that I have seen it many times.
And I've dragged by the internet, was saying that it didn't stand up in today's world. Yeah, that was a long time ago. That was a different that was a different. I know you've been, I know you've been, you're different now, but why didn't you think back then?
Not now. It's different now that I didn't stand up. I looked at horror completely different, how I do now. I look, I probably look at movies completely different to how now, how I did then.
There was a lot of, I wasn't looking at the, the work behind it. I was more focused on shapes, colors and you know, oh, it can potentially come across as a bit boring. This movie is anything but boring. But that's how I was feeling back then.
And my world was consumed with superheroes, Star Wars. It wasn't how it is today. No. Very different.
That's fair. So, I know your person at the same to get them out of you. I'm trying to burst out this freaking jumper. Jesus Christ, this was a bad choice.
It's wallop. It's so warm. Yes, the tag lines of this movie are absolutely brilliant. And I believe that some of these might be taken from DVDs over releases, such as Bad and In Mind.
The first one, The Trick was to Stay Alive. That's okay. Cause I'll be, cause my girls gonna come and stuff you with the knife. And trick or treat motherfuckers.
And the night he came home. That's the more famous one. Yeah. That's the big one.
I think we can hear it in like the trailer guys voice, the night he come home. In a world. Um, you know, it's so funny. I actually have watched so many videos on that guy on the voice of a guy because he is whenever I watch anything graveyard wise, he always comes up and they always do a backstory on because it is like a tale of like discovery.
Like nobody knew who he was. He has never said in a world. Um, yes. So next one, he's come back.
Okay, good. Yes, who's back? Michael's back. The one, the only the classic Halloween.
That was a really, really, yeah. That's a really, really trailer. Um, I'm gonna say this how it looks and how I have taken it down. The night he came home.
Right. He was in cover letters screaming at us. The next one's the same, but he is in cover letters. He come home for Halloween.
Yeah. It's just a description that in it. Yeah. And everyone's entitled to one good scare.
Right. I want to say another film. Who said it? The, um, the grave door.
The grave digger? No. It's a policeman. Oh, yeah.
Um, Yeah. When she's when Michael's hand went to the bush being all paid, take a bit with it. Yeah. Everyone I think the next one for us because that's probably my favorite.
And let's celebrate the horror. Yeah. Next to the huge, you're the next one. Then happy Halloween.
There's nothing but three though. Happy, happy Halloween Halloween. Halloween. It was a show.
The trick is to stay alive. Okay. And the last one, which is my, I think is my favorite. And I hope I don't butcher it.
Trick or treat or die. Okay. Like that one. The best.
Oh, no trick or treat motherfuckers. Who said that? Was it? It said it's dogs surprise motherfucker.
It's not fries motherfucker. What? I'm sure what's the rhyme says in the, uh, in the revelation or whether they are possibly I have resurrection. Resurrection because when you treat your treatment, the fucking does like a croticate and so it's like in my eyes, which again, I have seen that movie once or bear in mind.
I've probably never seen it at all. And they are the taglines in this movie. Um, where do we even start? I have, I have abundance of information.
So we'll, we'll, we'll come to the facts and it's just as we go through it. Questions, questions, questions. So again, I know this is not, this is probably still in both of your facts here. I think it's widely renowned or known that this movie wasn't called Halloween when it originally was getting put up out.
It was going to be called the babysitting murders. You just taken Chris's back. I've got one more. Okay.
Okay. So with, that's a wily no one. Yeah, that's all you had. No, because they didn't create posters.
The babysitting murders posters were made in the past as well. Do you think Halloween would have stood the test of time? Because I'm not saying the film like, well, it's a slightly wife. She's got a different view on this movie than I expected.
Do you think this, the movie would have stood the test of time if it wasn't called Halloween and if it was called the babysitting murders? Do you think it would have got lost in the shuffle with the 70s and 80s slashers? No, no, no, I don't think we would have known any different. Um, and I think, I think the movie itself speaks for itself.
I don't think the title has holds much weight behind the actual movie. You could call this Michael Myers and still people I feel would have that infinite love that they have for it. Yeah, I agree. It's a masterpiece in cinema.
I do think the luck dealt with the name as well, not saying it was anything bad, just because of how big like the holiday and like the D has become, not just in America but worldwide now. It is anonymous. Like, as long as time goes on, Halloween will always be connected because of that name. I actually have seen about 100 years time.
I can't see people still talking about the babysitting murders but because of called Halloween, that's never going to go away. And I think that's very, very not lovely but so clever and intelligent to move it that way. And the fact that nobody had done that before is crazy. Yeah, it's, it's mind, the whole process of this movie is mind blowing.
The budget for it, the actual way that it was brought, Deborah Hill wrote, so it's Deborah Hill and John Carpenter who did this movie. I believe they went together at the time. Um, but I don't think it lasted very long, which I wasn't aware of until I did Halloween three not long ago. So Deborah Hill wrote the dialogue for the female characters.
John wrote the ones for the males, basically Lumis's dialogue. And then combined them both together. The budget for it was incredibly small to which is the reason. And this is the thing that I have discovered.
I've done a lot of John Carpenter movies this year. And I think that I have discovered with John is the way he can get around music when it comes to his movies. So for this, he does the music. So therefore, that element is taken out of it for the fog.
The radio station that they were using, the music is so, it's ridiculous. It's jazz music but it was free. It was free music. So we didn't have to pay for it.
He's so clever with how he's able to nip and tuck things but still make it look cinematically brilliant. I think the reason why this is so much is because of the camera work and the things behind like how they did the shots. They invented some shots for this movie as well. But before we start basically getting really excited because you can tell just by me and Sami how much we want to talk about this movie because it's kind of left an imprint.
Well, it's always left an imprint for me. Like I know Sami kind of had a different opinion years ago but kind of embraced the love of it now because this it takes a lot to grasp what was done in this movie. Chris, did you all first watch? Did you enjoy it?
Yes, I actually really did love it. I think I don't think it would have been as good if it had a different soundtrack. But I do love everything. Like even Mikey's hiding behind the bush and all that sort of weird 70-isms of the girls and the babysitters where how did she get caught in that window?
And I just love it. It's but I see where the and why people like Mikey Myers and see why people love this film and it's spawned a lot of offshoots from it. Yeah, genuinely did love it. I don't get wrong.
From what I said, I think it was 2016 I said it. I always appreciated Michael's place in horror. It's just when I waded up to everything else. It wasn't so it's still to this day.
I really I am the more I am doing more of John's films the more I am starting to really like the fog was something I never saw coming of how much I was going to love that movie. And I just I'm appreciating him and the work that he puts into them and it's not necessarily I kind of characters that he's made out of it. It's what he does for films and it's what I'm getting more now. Jason's always going to be my main my main horror icon but Michael is a very cool second.
I think I messaged the story. I'm sorry. I'm I messaged something after I watched it and I was like oh does my ass do do this because of this and somebody was like well it's deliberately vague. You can think what you want.
It's what you make of it which I think that's why you sort of iconic as well. It's like why does he never talk? Why does he do this? It's like well.
He has so many questions as to why Michael did what he did. Now I think that's the beauty of this movie and the beauty of the character. You get to make your own mind of what he's done what he's done. Why he's doing that?
It's not laid out and I know Paul has brought this up before where the scary part is not necessarily what you see. It's Michael's story is how you interpret it and that could be completely different to how I interpret it especially the opening scene as well where he's why did he feel the need to put the mask on? Why did he need to hide his face? Is it because he saw shame for the fact that this is what he wants to do when he has to hide himself or is it just playful?
Is he playing with his victim? Is he torture and tormenting? So many things that you can ask and it was hard to answer Chris's questions because I was like I don't know. So if you're out of talk Chris should have put up on the podcast.
That's why he didn't text me. No I love it because me and Chris have some really really cool conversations. I mean I mean Chris. I mean I mean our entire day of talking about the godfather was just some of the best conversations I've had.
It was literally from eight o'clock in the morning until eight o'clock when you went to go and record. Yeah but the answer to that question like why it's twofold. The simplest answer I can give you is the Bobby Mann. That's it.
It's basically the man that I didn't take something. Oh and the other one is how Sammy I love when we put it better than what I put it. It's the not knowing it becomes more scary. It's like what you don't see on screen or what you see going on in different aspects and like different things as well.
It's like the glimpse did you see him or you didn't see him as a part of the imagination. It's a part of like trauma that people go through that they see these like things are going through. I don't want someone to like this is why I think I had such issues with the rom-me ones. It's because he went out these way to try and explain Michael had a poo-poo bring him.
Michael had this bedroom. Michael was trying this this way. This is why Michael was growing up to decide that he's a mass murder. You don't need to know that.
Just you know that there's someone out there who's got who just wants to do what he wants to do. No reason. No rhyme and will just kill anything. It could be man, woman, child, nor empathy, nor fear, nor shame.
To me that is the scariest thing you could have. There was an episode of BBC a cop show called Luther where one of the episodes was a serial killer called, it was like portraying like an urban myth from London but the scariest thing on the episode was he was videoed like taping himself not on doors and it was basically the first person to answer the door was when he got killed. So it's literally like imagine the one walking down your street now not on each door like about 11, 12 o'clock at night. Not many people are going to answer the door but if you did then you could die.
I just invite people in. I had a policeman knock on my door at one o'clock in the morning. I thought it was Anthes coming home from work and I'm just in coming in. I just let them in.
It's just that like that is the kid building on an all there's a certain natural element to winning the sequels and stuff like that but you can't kill the bogeyman and I just love the simplicity of that as well. But it's the end. Oh, sorry. You see most villains are by the scene, the more you see why they're killing people like Freddy's, for you know, the fear, all this sort of stuff but you don't get that way.
You get absolutely nothing and I think because you stalk in these babysitters and you're like, why is he doing it? Is it a sexual thing? Is he playing with them? Does he just want to kill them?
Did a babysitter upset him or something and you know, traumatized him? It's so funny that you mentioned Freddy Krueger that I was such a great segue into one of my interesting facts. He was actually a part of this movie production. Is this your other one?
If you have a video, is he going to tell us? Oh, okay. Yes, Robert England is in this movie. He's part of the production set.
He was the guy who was responsible for putting the leaves on the ground. They do and just to say like hugely congratulations to him and getting his star in the Hollywood Walk of Fame and it'd be I watched the whole ceremony. It was better than John Carpenter's. John Carpenter's at the beginning of the year was, I didn't realize this.
They both got it presented at the same time you are having your star and John was there, they offered John Halloween for his first and he went, no, that goes to that man over there and it went to Robert England. John Carpenter's was probably one of the most uncomfortable ceremonies ever. He did not want to be there. He just wanted to go for food.
He kept trying out the guy who's doing the ceremony. He's like, oh, come on, come on, come on, come on. You know, so people talking on his behalf and he's like, yep, yep, make it fast, they're curversal. He's going, yep, speed it up, speed it up.
So yes, Robert England was on set for the leaves. But I also have some alternative casting of who they wanted. They were absolutely stalked two pieces to get to Jimmy Lee Curtis. This was the ultimate bind because they had Janet Lee's daughter.
They couldn't have Janet Lee. They couldn't have Janet Lee, so they were sore stalks. So she was the easy one. It was Loomis's character that they had different ideas of where they wanted to be, to where they ended up being.
So it's not exactly alternative casting because Donald Pleasant did get the part. It was offered to two other people first. And this is a push was Peter Kushner and Christopher Lee. Yeah, I had a question.
I had the question. Yeah, Peter Kushner and Christopher Lee were sorry, Sir Christopher Lee were asked, but they just they knocked it back. It was Donald Pleasant who was buzzing his tits off to get this role. He really, really wanted this puzzle badly.
But he was only there for a short period of time. Yeah. And it's weird seeing this because Donald Pleasant has had such a massive career. He's done so many big things.
He's been one of the greatest Bond villains as well. And what he is renowned for Loomis now, that's probably the one that has stuck with him, like going forward. And or there was rumors and things about later movies that were going on as well. But I just love how like in a town and in a place where all the shit is kicking off, he is the most insane person than he's supposed to be the most sane person.
Like the stuff he does is just not normal. Like he's going to stop. He goes in and starts like bossing like he's just a psychiatric doctor. He's got no power.
He's got no authority to do anything. And he's bossing the whole place to party around and say, I'm gonna do this. Spooking kids in from the bush. Do you want to be there?
So I thought the best part of this was when he has a noise, he draws his good afterwards. He's like, I've got me, I've got me license. Don't worry. It was the fact that you literally have to just give you just said Chris's whole message last night.
You just went, who does he think he is? He's just watching the comments about what? He's like, how much authority does this man have? And when they pull up to the mental hospital where all of their patients are on the as you know, grazing in the field or something, it comes out and they're like, who let all these people out in the middle of the night when it's pigging down Ray then?
I like, no, they haven't tried to go in. He doesn't give a toss about the rest of them. He's doing it right. No, he's absolutely right.
And then, to follow the opening though as well, because I remember seeing that as a kid, being one of the more terrifying orphans to a movie that I've seen, I know I watched a lot of messed up our films. I shouldn't have been watched them, but that Orton and generally give me fear. Like when you see them driving up and like, Lewis and the nurse, and you see all the patients went about and he goes out to try and see what's going on and she's left in the car. And all you see is Michael climbing on top of the roof, like Monkey Man, which is just hilarious.
And then when he just smashes the glass with his hand as well, it just absolutely terrified us. But I got chills as a kid. I was like, oh, this is really, really not like, I know that's not the Orton and sorry, the Orton and his way kills. He says to book, that's the part that scared me.
I don't know why the sister didn't bother us as much, but that escape from the mental side. Oh, well, what I said is you're present that Orton and sequence. Because I knew the fact that was coming from you. Go on them.
Because I just saw before because I genuinely did look this up because I was like, how strong would you have to be to smash a window with your hand? Because you just press it against, you just smash it or anything. You just see your hand grab the windscreen, and I was like, oh, in the 70s did they have like single-plane glass fuckers or something. But apparently the E.M.
had a wrench or a spanner in his sleeve there, and it was painted with flesh coloured and that's how we get present. That's not the other fact, by the way. So we are just told about this one. Because I was like, how is freakishly strong?
Like to the point supernaturally because if you have a drink, break a car window. No, I can dare say I have never tried to break a car window. Oh, what does Chris bring up to? Why have you tried to break a car window?
I don't think we should talk about that. You've got Michael Myers mask in the back room. We're about the wrench because you can actually see it. We're starting doing the high definition cuts, versions, if you're more clearer.
Oh, I wasn't really paying attention to like, I'm just like, movie magic. It's just me knowing. Chris was excited over the boobs. All right.
Yes, I was. 70s boobs as well. Yeah. Yeah.
Hey, hey, they were impressive. Peaches, all of the boobs are fantastic. The three ladies in this, Peaches, alls, and Enzi Keys and Jimmy Lee Curtis, how they are friends with Annie is just beyond me. Annie's a cunt.
She is awful. She is absolutely awful. Nancy Keys, who is actually her real name is Nancy Loomis. No, she changed any of them to Loomis.
No, she's professionally known as Loomis, but she changed any of this to not be confused with the character of Loomis. Oh, I thought she, after she did the movie was made, she changed it to Loomis. I was like, oh, trying to cash in there, L'Ovania. No, she's a junk carpenter.
Yeah, she was in a fog. She was in a prison 13. Yep, that's correct. And also a Halloween 3 as well.
Yeah, she played Tom Egan's as a wife. She's got one of the most irritating voices in Hollywood. Apart from in the fog, actually, she was in the fog. She was actually the first time I loved her.
You are a likable character. I can get behind you. But yeah, the three main ladies in this absolutely loved them. They've been in the epidermy of 70s movies.
Not just some of these movies. I love them. They're in a Russ Myers movie. It's not anyone we're fitting to or a Smires movie.
I know, but that's the first time a Russ Myers references that. I mean, nobody does. Took four years. Yeah.
If you like boobs, go and have a look. That reference went completely on my head. There's a lot of things to do. So who was Michael again in this?
Because it's played by a few people. It's Tony Moran as the young one. Nick Cassie. Is he just the predominant one?
I think. Until the take the mask off him. Because I don't think it was Nick Cassie when he got his mask removed. Because this was, I think, I might be wrong.
This might be the only one where other than the new ones where you got to see Michael's face. I was surprised that that'd be fair. Mm. You felt like there wasn't meant to be a sequel?
All that's the thing. When again, I know we're talking about 19th, the 1970 year to classic. But this was supposed to be a one and done. There was no drunk out there, had no interest.
And that's why he wasn't really involved with me and any other ones. He in his mind, number two, doesn't exist. He can't stand it because the introduced things like Jimmy because as Laurie Storff, as Michael's sister, which made absolutely zero sense in this movie. Yeah.
That was why they tried it again. So this is again, I was going to go into it when he asked us like the reasons why Michael was doing it. Number two, they tried to give him the reasons why he's doing it. They tried to explain it a bit more.
Why he was after Laurie Storff all the time because he's she was adopted by the Storff family, which is really a Myers. Yes. It could that narrative goes on until H2O, resurrection, and then the 2018 one, they reckon on it. And the 2018 one, yeah, the first thing that's one of the first things that said it is, she was never his brother.
It was an urban myth. It's not true at all. I know, but she was never his sister, only whenever the other sister. Yeah, that narrative goes on.
And don't get it wrong. I actually really enjoy H2O as a movie. I don't think it's so fitting for the time it came out. It's very nice.
It is what it's got. But it doesn't give you that lovely woman first of feeling like, Oh, you've. That just feels like it was last week though. Yeah.
Now it's like, oh, it's 20 years ago. Oh, it's 20 years ago. Yeah. That's horrible thought.
I was sorry, Tony Moran was like, as a 21, will Sandin is when he's a kid. And yes, Nick Castle, sorry. I thought, um, gosh, who directed three again? Tommy Wallace?
I thought he had something to do with it, but I'm wrong. Right. As you said, the acting in this goes from really entertaining to some of them, it's like the conversations in dialogue. It feels like this is probably where you felt like this is probably me going back and giving you some props.
I mean, the dialogue and things was like the way it was acted is quite dated. Like the way they taught each other. The cringes spoke is when the smoke and joints in the car and they get, oh, there's my dad getting out the window. And it's like, like the car's not going to stick to the joints.
You could just drive past your dad. He's not going to notice you don't have to blow over and say, I doubt it didn't need to be done. If you're doing something dodgy like that, get the hell out with Dodge. Things like, again, I adore this movie, but I can see certain aspects and watch it back now.
Loomis has come down with the Myers house. He's basically saying I'm not going to move. He's going to come back and he's been here, which again, logically makes sense, but he doesn't go out of the house. He goes outside and he's scaring kids who's trick-or-treating.
But... Hey, Lonnie! After a few hours, he just turns out and he realizes, he goes, oh, there's my car that was stolen. Right behind us, that's been there all night.
It's like, you're not very prospective. Like, you're not really getting the full view. I was saying, like, your detective skills aren't great, top of the loomis. If you didn't notice your fucking car, sit there.
I actually appreciate more of Loomis's performance, the more I watch it. I can see the obsession and it being just completely. His rationale, he goes out the window, nothing makes sense. And it's like, it's something from, you know, I watched it when I was younger.
I would never have been able to pick up on it. It's just, oh my God, that guy's really crazy. And look at how crazy he is. And it's so much more than that.
And Jamie Lee's performance in this is, it's breathtaking. And it's hard, it can be hard sometimes, especially for me to separate the Jamie Lee I know, to the Jamie Lee who started, and yeah, who starts in this movie because she's a completely, it's a different version of Jamie. No, she's not the powerhouse or... That's what you always imagined from Jamie.
There's kind of like a naivety in a sense in this performance, which gives, again, because it's meant to be a ten-inch girl. She doesn't look like a ten-inch girl, but again... Now she looks like Carrie Fisher apparently. LAUGHTER Well, there we go over that.
Well, it's weird. Because I was like, I know Jamie Lee Kurtz from Freaky Friday. And I love that, Chris, because I love Freaky Friday. So I love that.
I know we see Jamie as it's like massive powerhouse of an actress. So to see the vulnerability, like to see her in a vulnerable state, and to be all stripped back, like my first encounter with Jamie Lee is train places. Yeah. That's the first time I see her as an Ophelia.
And she's, she's not sure, no shit. It literally takes absolutely zero shit from everyone. And completely knows where her life is. And to see her being...
It's just one of them, to see everything just stripped bare. There is a moment where you're like, Oh, come on, girl. In the comment. Yeah, get her move on.
That was a... That was a... Again, when you talk about horror movies, because a lot of horror movies, well, this movie still resonates and has influences on Monday horror from today. Like, again, people might say a thing.
You can see elements of even the terrifying movies in from taking reference and aspects from Halloween as well, which again, people can argue with it, but you can totally see the nought and say the thing. But the fact is that the tropes that always be there, I'm not going to say that Halloween kind of started them, but it definitely enforced them. Like, oh, there's a killer. I'm going to run inside a house.
I'm going to run and hide into the closet. That's just the most lonely place I could hide. And there's no escape. It's like the most stupid place to go.
Like the victims, like Jamie Lickerts, are a lot of the bits. But again, scream takes the piss so badly. Because like, as you said, it's just every bad mistake or like wrong decision you can make in a horror movie, the old make in this movie. And it's so entertaining to watch.
Because back then, we hadn't seen this trope a million times. We hadn't seen these things happen a million times. After this, it's like this formula works. We are going to carbon copy that.
And again, I love it. I love 90s horror. I go back and watch it now and tell me that they weren't influenced at all by Halloween. And I will call you a liar.
Oh, 100% Halloween. The tropes that you mentioned, they have been absolutely carbon copied used and reused and reprinted and done over and over again. And take your flog to slash genre into oblivion. Absolutely.
But what is so fascinating and something that I learned a couple of years ago is where John gets these influence from for this movie. So this is defined as, or could be defined as one of the first slash movies on a natural factor to not. And but what it is heavily influenced by is 1974's Black Christmas, which blew my mind. I did Black Christmas on the first year we did monsters.
And I could not say it after watching it. Oh yeah, you can see where the influence comes from. It's not until you start to break it down. And you can really see the similarities between the two.
It's not like on the nose, this is, you know, but there is there is some definite like it was John Carpenter asked the director and Bob Clark, what would you do as your sequel for Black Christmas? Right. And that's where the conversation started. And that's where he got his influence for Halloween.
And the killers are both unknown. Yeah. I was just going to say it because I know if you probably dying to see it as well. So what is the original?
What is the org flasher? I can't remember. You can. It's two films.
Because it's highly debated which ones. I need to be debated it before. And I can't remember. Hold on.
Hold on. No. Well, what is your favourite film? Well, that's fucking.
Cyclist. Oh, cycle, of course. But you said something else? Yeah, but when we looked at the dates, the dates for the films are like months apart.
So again, I'm not going to argue. What was the other one? Paper and Tom. Paper and Tom, that was it.
That is the one that's regarded as, I think it was released before cycle as the first slasher. They were both released exactly the same year. Same year, 1960. Yeah.
So I think one came out to slightly four. But if you think about the artboard getting made at the same time. So again, I'm not going to go, ha ha, you're wrong. But I just...
But it is all about that. Yeah, I'm not that. Well, actually... I'm going to...
Two minutes. I know the release date for cycle. Oh, even Tom came first. Sixteenth of May, 1960.
And cycle of course comes out in the fourth of August, 1960. That's... I knew came to Tom came out first, but I wasn't going to say it. Oh, because when we had the discussion before, I did look back, I was like, I can't...
like for a few months, fuck that. I'm not saying just because it was released the first time. We don't know when the idea was came out, when it was wrote, but the idea of the slasher movie and the premise, because I often laugh and we'd had this conversation when we were doing top five slashes on Instagram, where people would go and offer to you, how can you say this movie is a slasher or that movie is a slasher? When you think about the slasher movie, it's a very simple premise.
It's not complicated. It's basically one person cutting down another with either a sharp implement or some kind of weapon, like that stabby or... In the shadow was on this either a final girl or a final boy. One last time.
That is the basic terms what slasher movie is. So I think the most controversial one that someone mentioned, and I thought about it, I was going to call that slasher book. If you thought about the premise, it kind of fits the bill, credit it. Slashery stab stab.
Yeah, so he's... I'm going to hurt. I have to disagree. So Arnie's not a final girl?
No. Alien? Alien? It's a beast stalking in the shadows and...
Ahhh! Disney slasher now. Yeah, but that's the thing. Disney slasher, yeah.
Do you think I'm going to say that? It doesn't even land. It doesn't even land. So...
Have a go on there. Full-left on thing. Zingamong. But like, but they say sci-fi is like, please just send a chat.
Sci-fi. Sci-fi is not a type of movie. Sci-fi is a generalization of a movie. Like horror is a generalization of a movie.
Slasher is a type of film. That's not... That's a subgenre. Yeah, exactly.
So you could have a slasher in sci-fi. You could have a slasher in... Oh yeah? Do you think about it?
Like if you think about it, there was a... like a tiny comedy one called Free E, which is supposed to be a send up of Free Friday, where Vince Vaughn swaps bodies with his girl. Yeah, that's... And is it single-color?
That's a good Vince Vaughn movie. Not the other one. Not the original sequel. That's a good one.
Chris and Lee said that with... I can see them. What defines a slasher movie? Slash.
And when it's slash, I can't say that. Sorry, that's from Scary Movie. I'm a slasher. Okay, I'm not gonna say it.
A slasher movie is a horror subject I'm referring to by a killer, often masked, who stalks and murders a group of people, typically with blidded weapons. Well, key elements include a high body count, a focus on violent scenes, and a final girl who survives to confront the killer. The victims are often very young. Adels, who are punished for perceived misbehavior.
That's a real. That's a real. It's literally just mask predator. So I've just again...
Yeah. Because Lee said it in the chat as well. So I'm using... I'm going to...
Sorry, Jake. Yeah, you've just chapped GTP. Could... Would you class predator as a slasher movie?
Well, generally class does assign fiction action horror. The 1987 movie predator contains elements and follows a structural framework that is very similar to a slasher movie. So it has elements. It's not directly saying that it's of the slasher genre, but it certainly has elements taken from the slasher genre.
Yeah, but that's the thing. That's the definition. It's like, where's the line? Where's the line?
Where's the line? I think to find the slasher as well, the killer has to hate teenagers, having sex? No, that's... No, you can't.
No, because... Sex is in part of it. But yeah, what do we chase as mum as killing people for? That's probably the third.
Not all ideas like scream, wasn't because of sex. It was because the movie's bull. No, but she had to actually kill her, they had to have one as she had an exact Trinity. That's a real survivor horror movie.
Not a slasher. Okay. So... Well...
See, I see what's going on. Every week, it's the whole ghost thing all over again. My brain is going to be... Do you realise we record these on a Sunday night?
It's the end of the week. Well, that's fine. I think it's an interesting conversation. It is.
It really is. It's mind-melting because there's so many... It's so quick. And I think I probably did it.
It's so quick. You've got no. No, it's not. But then when he's not breaking it down, it's like, well, I can't argue with it.
He was a mask. Was he... Is my friend wearing a mask? Yeah, he did.
He has a mask. No. Two of a day. I'm wearing a mask.
I can't even wear a mask. So many of them. So I'm leaving the chat. He's going to go and not a machete or anything.
But it's a weird one. As I said, because I think there's elements of different types of things. It's like, it's like, it's not like the horror genre all over again. It's like, oh, that's not horror movie.
There's like, anything can be crusted. Like, there's no line. Everything blows into one. It's just like, be able to have the open mind to ask the question and go, okay, we'll go down this route.
We'll have a look at this. There's no definite... Yes, no, because even if we had the conversation and said, I don't think it's a slasher. You're not wrong.
That's your definition. But I can say, well, these are the elements. So it fits in the same words. Not like a typical slasher is a murder mask.
Girl getting chased killing them in the woods or chasing the street. When you add different elements, like sci-fi and like all different types of scenarios. Because technically, you can class. Like, if I'm going to be really out there and really difficult, like technically, you go to your jaws as a slasher.
Because jaws is basic. I don't know when we spoke to spiel, but when you say the idea is a slasher. When we spoke to spiel, oh my goodness. I see that the ego is getting aerated now.