You're listening to the Wisps wasatch in wasatch investigative studies wasatch investigative studies a paranormal science show Which apparently is yet another acronym for a super natural hour of what why you doing this to me man? Hey, welcome to the wish show. I am your host Castle and today with me. I've got your other host I'm Tim and we have peaches aka brandy and we've got special guest with us today And we've had on the show before it's Jimmy Lynn darling.
Jimmy tell us a little about yourself I'm just Jimmy I'm alright. Thanks for coming by. Thanks for coming by. She's just a random person I found on the street Hey, I promised I'd have her back on the show and it might be two months after we originally planned but she's here Yeah, I I'm one of the world's most renowned occultist.
I am one of the most renowned demonologists and I've got a Collection of the weird and wonderful oddities from around the world's in the States from Really little current dados you name it? Jimmy's the proud owner of Popo the the demonic clown the episode we keep telling everyone to go listen to and you guys have Like the plague yeah, that's all I'm telling you right now It's because he named the episode popo the killer clown now This came out last year about the same time when all those like crazy ass clowns are showing up in people's yards Oh, I think I think people kind of associated the clown thing like we don't want to listen It's a scary episode for those of you who like creepy stuff that's probably one of our group here We've we talked about the clown for maybe like ten minutes and he was 45 minutes long So I'm a lot of more fascinating things to say speaking of the clown the clown is actually out in the parking lot in the car As we speak it is told enough to bring it in and you actually mentioned something else other that we hadn't seen what was that thing you're talking About it's called a plan to tell us about that. What is it? What does it do?
I'm fascinated well a point can come in from a few places it can come in from Africa Dominican mine comes from Haiti and Nothing creepy comes out of Haiti nothing ever and but it's okay So it's creepy looking but it's probably the least creepy thing that I actually own in my collections and what it is And it can be creepy what it is is that a point is a voodoo item and it's something that contains the body Someone who died in a clay jar wrapped in black silk strung up with a string Then you've got a second section that's on top of the clay jar That's the piece of clothing of the individual top where the monkey skull top with a black cross and it's all wrapped in black silk And it's got a mirror on it now. There are some points that can be used and they are For cursing and hexing you put somebody's photo in front of the mirror I had the points energy will go get it and then if the person was aggressive violent and evil in life My point is the body of a 14-year-old boy who died violently, but he was a healer So my point is actually a healer and he comes through and people who look into the mirror find a sense of calm They find a sense of beauty and healing and I brought him a few times to you Tell so far and the people who hold him and the people who look into the mirror have found themselves with a great amount of Anxiety relief. I have had guys that have broken down and stopping tears because they've let know of emotional issues From a long time ago, and I still get emails that say my life has changed so much more for the better I've learned to really live after this clown I was at one event and somebody looked in and she had It's like rash all over her arm and the doctor was telling her we don't know what it is We can't get rid of it and she looked into points the point and the next day she showed up at the event And I was and she walked by and she was saying I didn't and I was like hi. How are you?
And she's like you don't remember me from yesterday nice. I'm sorry. I saw so many people yesterday And she goes maybe this would remind you I had a rash all over my arm and going up on my neck and face And I looked and it was gone and she goes it cured up this morning when I woke up Wow, it's like incredible today when was healing people anxiety wise taking like Anxiety issues away from them and stress issues That's pretty cool. So now when he says the body before turn up wise like a cremated body or just like bones or okay?
Creamy, you know, I got asked that today and one of the No one of the other ones when I brought people in out in LA and they said how do you get a whole body of their na? With me a trash compactor Cremated it and because it went himself. It's probably only about a foot and a half two foot tall It's not very tall and I was and they were like we're trying to figure out you were gonna get the arms and legs in there And I was like just look down. I'm like you realize it's about too Too feet tall But the funny thing with him is that when you look into it and he's doing whatever he does The jargets heavy in your hands as it pulls it out of you.
Oh, interesting. Yeah, so it becomes heavier and heavier and heavier She's older. So that mark here is is how do you come across obtaining the remains of 14 year old? Like the donated by his family in Haiti because he was a healer and they are bo-dunes And it was something that is considered an honor to have done and now With that said there are no laws to get it into the country that I can't bypass because of human remains I'm gonna ask you to get something like that into the country.
So imagine it's gonna be pretty difficult to get stuff through customs It's impossible now. It's these are all things. It's just like I have a human skull from Haiti. It's Impossible now to get anything in from another country with human remains because it's considered illegal trade It's it's the same as I can't even get a human skull in from Louisiana if I wanted to if they find out that you even cross its state lines for sale if there's if it's money that's being bartered it's You can't even have it donated to you unless you're a science lab.
You got specific licenses or your museum now It's it's the human trade. It's you can't do it anymore It's a shame because a lot of the great things now you get it across the thing. It's like a In class chair, I brought the body of the burnt body. It's partial with the partial burnt body of a rapist from Mexico I brought I've got a jar and it has dirt that's got a skull fragments of children from a serial killer place site in Russia But these were all brought over in a current darrows estate in the 1930s 1940s.
I bought his estate Now I think that if it was an estate for sale and have those items in it feds and police and They all move in and confiscate those items out of the estate So I bought the Marilla those estate and that had human remains in it and again I honestly believe that now if you tried to buy any of these estates They've got brand new laws and I think the law about the human remain one was Kind of semi-recent due to some Body who claimed they were a witch or something in the south and she was doing huge bone trades And it turns out that she was going into the cemeteries. I think it George or Louisiana and Robin the graves and selling the bones. I'll take the middleman out of the equation. That's kind of weird.
That is a huge demand for human remains It's like like what would you use that for collectors? That's just I really collect firearms on ball to add no idea Like that's a thing just seems weird. No, I have a whole shelf of monkey skulls some of the monkey skulls is one thing But human remains some of them are wrapped from cannibal tribes and it's the same way they wrapped human skulls You have full shops in Los Angeles that trade in human remains, but they have all the licensing to do so And they don't even make they don't even try to hide it. They don't even say neck romance It's like there's never a man's and I can walk in there.
I bought skull caps from Tibet. I bought Arm bones leg bones finger bones. There's divination for the finger at Nothing there isn't anything in this world that's not a collectible to someone out there That makes sense. I could see that so some of your cult stuff that you have in your personal collection I know you've got a lot of mistakes, but where do you find some of the other items that you come across?
Such I don't know. Tell you about some more unique items. I've got books from the 1600s that are called I buy defunct temples I buy it and they could you know, there'll be an OTO temple that like we had no T.O. Temple No, sorry We had a golden dawn temple that went defunct in Los Angeles and this guy just went everywhere and bought books and for the temple and he Partner died and he went on meth and he needed money So I got The house of the rising sun golden dog temple I bought it for seven hundred and fifty dollars the entire temple and I took a box after box after box after box after books Starting from the 1600s and ending I think the latest was 1915 And these were all rare books some of them were like I got a book from the holy city of Jerusalem that you have to be a rabbi to get No idea how this guy got it But it's the book of answers of life and women aren't even supposed to be able to come within 50 feet of it sits in my living room and it's You just find these collectors and you find people that suddenly don't want it or Like I look at estates a lot and I've got the keywords in to be pinged in my email for an estate sale and some of it is oils and bottles Combined with dolls jewelry and stones because those four keywords put together Tells me that I have an estate of an At least something I want to go look at at least to potentially somebody who got some cool occult items Like I got that keyword pinged didn't tell me who they were wouldn't show me the items Just said it was from somebody in the south and I thought I'll put down a small bid Sounds like an immense amount of stones and I own the store at the time and I thought hell if I'm wrong I Have stock that I can sell in I'll just resell stuff and it came in and when I was looking through all the documents and certifications It was Marie LaVoe they never put Marie LaVoe on her on the estate sale.
Oh wow and I was just and instead of getting I don't know 18,000 for it they sold it to me for 1800 Wow, so let me ask you for our listeners who don't know who Marie LaVoe is Can you enlighten us? She's the voodoo queen of the Louisiana and she's the queen of voodoo in all of the United States She and there's the here's the thing her estate was so and that's because there were many in Marie LaVoe's She had children daughters that look just like her and when she would get older and her daughter would get just about that age She'd bring her in from boarding schools And she would make a claim of I'm going to go into regenerate now Go into the house. They take some time the daughter would emerge and that really though we go out and live her life South America or whatever she wanted to go and the new Marie LaVoe would rain new Orleans With an iron fist and Marie LaVoe seemed to go forever and ever and ever in history And then the next Marie La and they would just switch out until they hit a snag and the daughter stopped looking like a mother's so much And they couldn't do it anymore But there was at least four switch outs and so all of these shamans believing that she could regenerate Brought gifts and so there's gifts from around the world of all these occultists and magicians philosopher rich people that all came and were like here madam laveau and It she ruled New Orleans with it with absolute there was the police there was the mayor there was whatever you wanted You know look up and then there was Marie LaVoe and what Marie LaVoe said went So she was just the thing so I don't really love those estate. What kind of items were you able to acquire jewelry dolls?
crystal balls once books clothing a lot of jewelry So now your practitioner voodoo is that correct? Yes, I know last year at the paranormal festival Tim and I actually wandered in halfway through your presentation and you're kind of talking a little bit about She thought we were like the enforcement of the bodyguards come kid around We actually were there to get never to record of this But you're kind of talking a little bit about voodoo and intent and kind of the good the bad the ugly can you talk to us a little bit about that? Yeah, Hollywood's done a lot of damage to the religion to be honest I was delighted to do a lot of things right, but they've done a lot of damage to Vodil They really have because a lot of people that you say Vodil and they go oh he doesn't have to stuff Don't tell me what are you talking about right? Vodil is set up in such a way that you can't ask for what's not just It has to be justice because if you ask for something outside what is just It'll hit you you'll get it just as bad So I mean you've got to be willing to shoot yourself in the flood to go after someone You got to be willing to sink your own boat to go after someone and usually what's done in Vodil Vodil is we do the things like I won't even say something like let's give Tim a hammer ride because that would be just Which it wouldn't be I'm just kidding but Right now I'm right now Hemoids for Tim but what I would say would be if Tim did wrong by me.
I would have to say I Would like something just to happen to him. So not only would something but it wouldn't be bad in the Sense that well if I got a hammer it would be bad in the end But I mean it wouldn't be in the sense that that would just happen out of the blue what would happen would be whatever he did to me Would have been done to him but worse by somebody else So that not only does he feel that it's like to have done it got done to him But he could learn from it and be a better person What do is about growth learning becoming better people and we don't believe that there's some anybody that's not inside Vodil Vodil itself means you too. So it's a religion of you two and you two and you two and you two and you two and you And you also and you and you know, you know, but it also means my god and the table that everything belongs to it where and Where that kind of religion and so even though you don't practice it we believe that you're still part of it So you're like you like the Jedi kind of right but the forces with everybody exactly and so when We ask for something, you know, when you do something we ask for something to be done We we want you to grow from it. It's not about hurting It's about teaching and if you need a lesson taught well Then you need a lesson taught if the lesson is painful, well, then maybe it needed to be That's not for me to say usually what we do is we'll say put a name down on the altar inside You know, it's like the voodoo pot or whatever it is that you practice in mine case It's a pot with the monkey skulls because I have a problem some a day house and each house practices different and You know, I just asked where it to be done and then whatever happens to you people go Oh my god, look at the horrible thing you just did not my circus not my monkeys I just simply asked for a lesson to be learned Whatever happened to them during that lesson that was their teacher that went to him not like me and not mine Not my circus not my monkeys.
So it's like you're literally asking karma to kick someone in the ass. Yes That's basically what seemed like to me exactly except that we don't exactly believe in karma. Wait, we just believe in the loa What's the difference karma equals guilt? Okay, I don't have any guilt other people will stand by to let karma do it because it's it's if they interfered They feel guilt for it and thus they put a beacon out to get hit themselves me if something else comes and gets you Not my circus not my monkeys.
Don't care. It's not for me to worry about what your lesson is It's just for you to worry about and I don't feel guilty about asking for it to come because in my opinion I made you a better person where other people with karma it may not be that you learned a lesson that it was done to you It could be that you just lost everything and there was no less you know What's the what's the lesson? You know you wrong somebody by not paying an invoice? So you get ruined and everybody goes karma for not paying that invoice Well, what is it that you learned if you made a bad decision financially and you ruined yourself?
How does that have you learned how to pay my invoice? Do you know what I mean? It's not karma. It's no karma to that as a mistake Our our thing would be our thing would be you didn't pay my invoice and whatever harm or damage it did to me The next time you sent out one yours wouldn't get paid and you would have just as much depending on it as I did Therefore you learned your lesson on what it's like to be on the receiving end of depending on a check coming in That kind of thing, but I don't wish for you ruin.
I don't ask for it. I don't play didn't pay my hundred dollar invoice I hope you lose this house There's no there's no justice in that I just don't think there's a hundred dollar invoice that you don't get paid You know what I'm but it's not for me to actually even hope that it's whatever lesson you needed to be needed to be taught That's up to the gods. That's not up to me the lower. That's up to the lower So it's like a less barbaric way of saying I for an eye Yes, it is Well, a knife and I it's like you know, you took my eye I'm gonna take yours, but you're not the one that's actually seeking to take or do whatever it is to this person They're just you just like you said wanting them to learn from their mistakes And I don't even know if that's even a learning experience attached to that.
I want you to be better person I want you to quell I want you to understand what you did how it felt and I want you to learn from the experience become a better person from never never for you to do to somebody and Never for it to be done to you again Do you know never want it to happen once you've learned your lesson? I want you to become prosperous again I want you to get back on your road. I want you to get back on your path I want you to be the best you you can be so how did you get involved in doing doing? I mean that seems kind of a Fringe religion if you will I mean outside the south so I guess kind of what was your story on how did you get there?
Well, you all know I own the occult store correct and on the block over there was an African store and It was run by who everybody referred to as Bob a Benin and he would come over and he would Do these bizarre meals to me? I'm like Old man from Nigeria. What do you want from me? And he's like I'm trying to teach you voodoo I'll do and I said I don't want to be taught Oh, do you think you I'm white?
And he was like I don't even know what that statement meant and I said not my culture I don't think that that's something that I would understand or That energy would be welcoming to me Well, I'm Irish. I just don't think this is right and he goes both is for everyone and he just kept coming over insisting I mean I keep coming over literally and he'd hand me a little Ladder I two rubber snakes and walk away and I'm like Excuse me sir. What am I supposed to do with these things? sir Baba, I mean sir, Mr.
Benin sir Great and wise wonderful a's can you tell me what I'm supposed to any goes when you figure it out? You'll know but I'll be back soon And I was like whatever. I don't even know right So there's he kept doing this and pretty soon I started paying you know now I came a challenge What do these things mean so I started you know trying to put him together and you come in and there'd be another guy named Bob atone that would come in and you know nice guys loved him funny guys Right and then it just became fun because they come in hang out and we talk and chat and we're pretty soon He started asking me go do questions and I was answering him and he goes how does that feel? And I said look I don't really commit to a religion.
I'm sorry. I'm an occultist I believe in everything. I don't want to commit to a religion I like to be able to jump around like the chaos theory and he goes So does Vodil and I said I don't even know what that means with thanks And he was like in Vodil we're one of the only religions that is continuing to grow With its teachings and I said every church is around other digits. I know still care of Christian churches popular everywhere He goes yes, but they teach with old There are no new books to the Bible is there?
You know to be honest with you. I haven't really kept up with that. I had no idea I'm gonna go with no and he goes another isn't he goes, you know in Vodil we ask you to go learn the religions We ask you to learn everything that you possibly can I'm a child of barrel on some a day, which is in the Getty family So all of my energy and everything that I know is considered incorporated into that family now So when I die barrel on some a day is not a God he is a collection It's a family and so if I understand These sunglasses and I understand my Samsung and I learn your boy when I die That's what my family knows and therefore that is incorporated into teachings. So every new scientific thing that comes out Vodil incorporates it into the teachings every religion is incorporated into understanding inside Vodil We want to I think except for Scientology.
We don't incorporate anything for Scientology I don't think we incorporate anything from Scientology. That's probably good thing, right? I'm just going to get back to LA for that statement Okay, but we I know right and jump on my couch. So he listens to this podcast Right and he's gonna jump up and down on my couch right with a camera watching him with Oprah go and get off the couch so but it's I Found that fascinating because it allowed me to Encouraged me to continue to learn everything It was and then it fell right into paranormal because you have the crossroads and My family it's bollocks.
I'm a day are the Baron of the cemetery So he holds who can cross back and forth across the veils and it just seemed like oh my gosh And I it was kind of I kind of think that I fell into it and another I think mr Mini probably pushed me into it or he kicked me in the back of the head into it But it was one of those things of no no no no gosh this is fun Okay, and yes So it was just a but it wasn't something that I woke up one day and said I'm gonna be voting it literally just Snowball down the mountain on me. So aside from but now is it video or photo? But is in the Hollywood movies and we do is what we practice. Oh, okay So I just want to make sure I'm not mispronouncing right so I don't last episode I can call you Jamie for half the episode and I can look at what I'm gonna do to do to do it's her name I'm a castle your idiot.
It's Jimmy so Like four or five times before you cast me a little slow in the uptake sometimes It was even before started recording. I want her name was Jimmy. Yeah, Jamie. How you doing?
This guy's fired So now aside from the blow do What other things have you practiced through your study the occult what other kind of arts have you looked into I Has said you were master because we called you expert before going you correct this if you weren't an expert of anything For being awesome. She's that she's next for you. Well, they kind of make sense because we say there's no expert to the Parable really not Oh, by the way that no you just heard his peaches. He's also here with us Yeah, my favorite is we're talking about you know she's nodding her head making hands and thinking don't care we didn't even introduce her Yes, I said hello.
Hello. Didn't we really know you know, you know sometimes I don't pay attention. It's all about pit cheerio See your the Hollywood like crap that's out in the world right now See every soft I see a hand thing. I don't know what she was doing and I was me.
I just learned to ignore So it's British so tell us a little bit more about some of the other things that you've learned and kind of studied For instance, do you do anything with magic? Well, it's a great card game. Is there really play with me? Alright, magic is is is one set of practice and almost all the philosophies what's delved into that So like I read it.
So do you practice like wicka at all or no? Okay, I know wicka. I don't practice it So does that be just here? She used to I said play with a guy.
I don't I don't like wicka Listen to this right. I don't like it's a neo-pagan religion And I don't like anything neo I like ancient religions and wicka isn't it started in the 1930s And I just don't I and it pulls from all the ancient religions and I just rather go learn the ancient religions to be honest So I know Celtic. I know Strega. I know Magic which is neo, but it's neo because of the science.
I know Kamala alchemy see ceremonial magic high magic low magic Oh Shoot, um, I mean Egyptian Norse Babylonian Caledian There's not really a magic philosophy that I'm not first in you know what I mean It's I know tarot cards inside and out I do alchemy I am considered in the sense of the word the use of the word master I'm actually a master alchemist. There is there is only a handful of us that can blend like I blend And there's not much that I don't know about the transmutation and alchemy So can you transmit me some gold so I can put my job? That's that's not what that's not with the transmutation of gold and alchemy actually met you were the sick metal of lead and the transmutation to gold Was you becoming enlightened? Okay?
And now you also like to come enlightened So but the transmutation of sick metal to to gold was actually a allegory for you Be sick metal becoming gold which was the enlightened part of the so like Hollywood alchemy Tim has never Turned from let the gold that was funny there was a lot. Huh? Huh, huh? Like the dad joke about all right moving on Show Turbo turbo turbo Joining us today is Charles Berkeley.
This is turbo. So tell us a little bit you mentioned all these different kind of magic paths For lack of a term. How does magic work? Energy and it's the idea of energy manipulation of the self and when I say manipulation I don't mean it in a bad or horrible sense you create heat heat is energy All you are doing is focusing and formatting it into a sense of taking control and power of your own destiny rather than being a Passenger you are now the driver of your life and you take control and you focus what you want And instead of sitting at a table and saying gosh, I want to be prosperous You sit down because you're little monkey mind and that's an actual term your monkey mind will shatter in 15 different directions And so what you use is you use alchemy and elementals and planetaries which all have energy that are already focused there You tap into that and you take a candle of sorts and you focus on that and it the candle is not magic itself It's a tool and it's a tool to focus the mind And the alchemy that's in it is supposed to bring the energies down to it But also focus the mind greater and then you use that to completely hyper focus what you want And it is that hyper focused energy that brings you what you want and so I just took out the entire Magic and I'm just like the worst call system Well, you just got to be almost like when I do my my my meditation I like candles and I have my salt light and salt lamp down and I try to focus on the energy to try to You know try to relax me and try to open up my abilities more So in a sense kind of what I do when I'm during my meditation could be considered a form of magic Yes, it actually can and I did you learn that from?
So now let me ask you know, they're gonna pull my card is an occultist right after this They're gonna be like you are so fired only if one of our five listeners I Think of Utah, so I can say things like that to these people may look at me like okay, whatever peaches Much information is possible so my thing is like and if you listen to our last episode Which at this point when this airs I have no idea when the last episode was but when we had a dala Line on the show she gave me that intuitive reading and said basically what I do is I analyze everything and try to make It's it makes sense to me. So what I do is I don't just get information for one person I'll go through and get information for more than one person and what frustrates me is everyone's telling me the same thing Yes So basically what I need to do is just listen to peaches not question I'm just a weird British girl. Nobody listens to me. He just I heard that and there's a witness that he said He should listen to you and not question you on anything that you say and you just got power girl I got that recording so I do have a question.
Let's let's delve into magic a little bit deeper Okay, you mentioned like Babylonian Kaldan so what is the difference between all these different paths of magic if it's just as simple as you've laid it out? One says tomato in the other system. Oh, can you give us kind of example? Maybe of yeah We can hear all bloody day.
We're gonna work out with those kind of questions Well, I can make this easy. We can make for episode of mercury mercury in the Greek mythol in the Greek religion Greek magic Is the same as top in the Egyptian magic the same as legba in bodeo Elegois in Santeria and is the same as Hermes and it's the same as Gilda mesh it and if you wanted to take it over to Christianity He would be the messenger and so any of the pre-profits or so any of the seats See that's how he would get it right there. That's his committee So it's the same it's the same thing as you know the Roman and Greek mythology It's they're exactly the same which is different names and that's the way it is in the religion It is from culture to culture and what they believe now the only difference that you will see between the religions is maybe the focus the language the prayer the vibrations What you would use in incense what you would use in? Alchemy what you would use for oils and what you would use for offerings.
That's about it And then it would only go to time period area culture. So what you would offer and say The Middle East wouldn't be with the same thing that you would offer in England or Ireland or you wouldn't offer it in the Native American Paths it would be a different herb and it would be a different name and therefore different ritual to go with it to the culture But God's state pretty much the same aspect of what they do. See I like her she gets it See an earlier before we started recording her like if she's completely not her can I tell her? I'm like yeah, I'm like she's really educated She knows her stuff like I said my response to you was when I met her last year that one of the first thing they said to her Was you know before I got to know you a little bit?
I thought you were full shit I'd straight up to that to her face like within five minutes of meeting her and she had no problems with it She's like yeah, I get that she's really educated see she knows I know the same stuff But I don't like a crazy pants in my life Do you understand like why we wanted to have her back on the show cuz she's like she's I told you she's got really amazing stories I do weird stuff and there's like what are you doing? What's he gonna do that before I'm like don't worry about it? I know I've got to the point where you do your shit and I just kind of I watch what's kind of fun I'm trying to learn from you. So like you know I've been told what I'm capable of doing and I would love to get there and I with your guidance I know I will so and it's kind of funny before we actually start recording actually before Jimmy even got here Randy was talking about how when she went to how she does her thing and seems a little bit nutter herself And I just take it and strive and go talk to homeowners and just like no big deal cuz I'm like lying on the floor She kicks her shoes off listening for Dead bodies Making cookies that's when we start questioning what the hell she's doing No anything is that you know how many people I and I welcome I welcome I welcome they pick you know me I just the thing is is that I'm educated like you said I know I don't feel like such a weirdo Because I'm not the only person out there that does things well you should well I was just like my question I'm done my question for you is usually like well I can't how come you never told me this before and you just like me go cuz I wasn't relevant at the time You don't need to know yet when you need to know you will know exactly see if you're given the information before you need to know Hey, it won't be it won't be helpful to you and be it may be harmful She gets it.
I love her. Well, that's that's probably a good thing that we cleansed me right after that Weird lady did that wicked smell on me over the air. Yeah, I mean not like her clown, but I like her Yeah, we had we had we had no I have done. I don't like my clown We had an episode we didn't air where was an interview we didn't air because this lady was she was helping me out She was doing like a reading we skyped her and we were doing a reading and she started chanting and I instantly just felt the room Get like heavy and I was actually in this office It was in the what they call the war room just down the hall here and we felt I don't Gary felt it too Or cast off the two we we felt the whole room heavy as soon as she hung up I'm just like we can't have a slightly on the show and and was kind enough to run and grab me I can't remember the name of the two stone she handed me but they basically they were grounding stones I must do so everything I showed you speeches.
Oh, but she came tight. No, it was some kind of exotic I think they're the next one I can show you after we don't record but Let you get out her smudge brain. I was kind of skeptical on smudge brain touch He sprayed with it. I was like holy cow this stuff actually does works.
Oh, we say You know there's still things that I just think is weird, but actually experiencing it I can tell you that it's it's really not as weird as I thought it was so she used a smudge brain she says the office and you know brought up some crystals and stuff and and The whole atmosphere of the room changed and when I was telling peaches about it afterwards what I find out I actually kind of got the feeling that this lady She feels like she's helping people but she's actually not it feels like she she kind of just does stuff things It's thinking something but it has the opposite effect It's kind of the feeling that I was getting so I was talking to her about it And she kind of read me and said so what actually happened was is the lady cast a wicket spell on you using the dark side of wick And what she was trying to do is completely open up your abilities Fortunately, we were able to kind of shut that shit down before we got anywhere because like you said like if it happened before I was ready It would have been bad. It would have been harmful and you know that's That is not right. You're not talking to the microphone so they can't hear you. Okay, that was one of the most That's one of the biggest problems I've run into in the community is people pick up a book or two books I mean where they go to the university the Internet and they type up Dr.
Googles and They think that they know what they're doing they think that they're helping and they're not doing anything other than causing a complete That won't get me beat a complete I thought the other one were shows so a complete paper store on The rest of us have to clean up because and I don't really think that they think they're doing harm But they don't know what they're doing. I've had so many people ago. I do these cleansing and some and how long have you been doing these? Oh, blah blah blah.
Okay. Well, how did you train for it? How do you know how to do this? I'm what if you read where have you gone?
How are you accredited? Who's your teachers? How many teachers where have you been? I'm like oh, I make silver Raven wolf and I'm like, okay.
Okay. Yeah, but I'm like no No, no, not that she's a bad author But you gotta read more than that. There's got to be something more than that and and it's not helpful if you you're not being helpful and it was like I Get called in as a demonologist and that's mainly why I get pulled into Utah is for demonology and the occult as a lecture This is why I get pulled out here and I get pulled and I get asked to do radio and podcast and I do interviews in this whole weekend Has been nothing but podcast newspapers and radio And I mean just nothing but it's just I don't even think I saw my booth this weekend Which is fine with me. I don't mind.
That's why I come out here, but I get challenged by these people who oh Let me for instance Somebody said well if you go to a demonic spot. I found that you can make a deal with it And I said well, yeah, but I was like you cannot make a deal with them I'm like you can't I'm actually demonologist like you are and I said you're nothing like me if you think that you can shake hands Whether lesser entity that's known to lie and anything that's a lesser entity Talking to Do you know how many emails I get a day asking me to help them sell their souls It's just serious well I did a documentary I said that's called I sold a scene and it's a documentary on go Asia And the difference is between Satanism and go Asia and it literally is somebody trying to sell their soul They didn't open it. Oh my god. What a hell this was your dude appreciate this Casting company comes in and they do an app open casting Colin Hollywood who wants to sell their soul to be famous in Hollywood?
I went I know you could hear right now my head hit the table on just bump I was like it was literally boom boom We were expecting about 25 people. Oh my God stupid this is Hollywood. You're like if you get 25,000 right? Well, 5,000 people show up and they are sifting through and they're still going and I'm like and people are flying in and I'm like Oh, this is this is and then they create create a special shower room for these people where we Just not going well over in the day when we're shower people hey, they need to be cleaned Disabouse any genocide Spreads my sprayers up so they do it this guy gets picked and I'm not any part of this process all I do is get the word that's happening And I'm just like oh, please don't come to me.
Please don't come to me Please miss my name. Please please please fingers crossed. Please. Please don't come to my doorstep That's I'm sure enough there they are in my store and I was like, how can I only?
And they said you know we did this I see this and all about it. They said yeah, but now we don't know what it means And I'm like what do you mean? You don't know what it means? What does that mean?
I don't know what that means? We don't know what it means to sell yourself. I'm just because there's no such thing and I said it's there's you can't sell your soul to Satan And that's a Christian thing and I don't understand why because Satan belongs to Christianity does Why are you standing in my occult store? Caving about a Christian entity to me and how to sell yourself when that's just a folklore towards tale It's not even included in the Bible and I that's so crossroads guitar hero thing Come on now, and they said so how would one do something like that?
I mean is there is something similar and of course in my great wisdom because I was asked a question I have to answer it honestly I said yes It's called the less of key of Solomon and it would be one of the 72 demons of Croatia Big smile, right followed by I And they went and they set off to do that and I went oh god So then they come back and they said nobody will talk to us about it. No, no, no no No, they're going to do go away show. I was like And they're like how do we find a book so I go in the back and I get my 1912 book on go away show I said I really suggest you don't do this. I really think this is a bad idea back I think it's a horrible idea.
I really don't think you should do this, but if you're going to insist on it Here's how you do it right. Here's the book They're filming me and they call me back up. I'm like why do you hate me? And they're like can we interview you for the film?
Hello, I really said we'll do 15 minutes. It'll be five minutes in the documentary fine as long as it's Fully aware that every other sentence is gonna come out of my mouth as I really don't think you should do this There are better ways to become famous than doing this. This is this is a payment plan that you don't want to take on Please don't do go away show. Please don't do go away show that they're like are there other demons?
And I suggest there are other demons I mean there's a demon every philosophy that under the name of the Sunday guy goes Well, we've got a Bible in case it goes wrong and I said except that the go away show has nothing to do with the Bible And so sitting and yelling Jesus Christ says big gun right devil, but gone Jesus I love how you became a Southern Baptist now Not not even Jesus be gone to a battle only in something and that battle only in something's gonna go I don't know where this Jesus guy is but I don't care Thanks anyway for playing and you have to go by philosophy and so in this document I ended up being Almost 95% of the documentary because nobody would talk to him I'm in it so this documentary comes out and instead of listening to me saying Ways in there better ways to do this than doing this this way. I get three hundred emails a day Can you help me so myself? You just can't imagine the crazy that you get in the pagan world. Oh, I can imagine Crazy in the pagan world.
Yeah, yeah, I say it even like the paranormal Expo and the paranormal festival Yeah, there's always a little bit crazy that's or just interview or people applying to be part of this one Oh, it's a one of their qualifications is that him and his friend fun of an entire horde of Wendigo so I think I just dropped a few IQ points I don't think I don't think I understand as an entire I just need to bend down and grab some IQ that just dropped But literally the last The last investigation I went on here They decided that and there was you know and I'm gonna say this a hundred ways Ways that nobody listens to me one We never worry about the building we only worry about the land because it's the land that holds the memories the buildings change I said that was a great way of putting things when we walked out on the bank. It's all there the other night I just I thought that was fascinating everything else. Yeah, that's the thing is like people like well that Building over there burnt down so there's probably nothing like that has nothing to do with the building and my spirits and they don't need a building Well, it's like I told Jimmy and we've mentioned a lot on a show where we've been in houses that were just they were still in the process of being built And they were having paranormal activity and we've gone in and the house is new and we're like it's not the house It's the land. Yeah, one house didn't the yard wasn't even in yet.
It was so new It's the house was still smell like fresh paint But that's the thing they go to well We just really built this house like six months ago like it has nothing to do with any Yeah, well, I mean people caught me at me. It's all Terrific really well because I walked out and I said let me tell you one thing. This is not the original soldier I think in one of the rims the guy goes yes, it is it was any starts to I mean I saw so I've read the Rick Wikipedia too I've read that there's a documentary that they made on it. Yeah, this is not it It's not even on the original location.
No, it's a mile west from the original But I don't know my research on it, too Like the land is taken to change it and that's what I told everybody we're not here to investigate the building so get that out of your head Get that right out of your mind. We're here to investigate the land. It's the land that matters buildings come buildings go buildings get refurbished They get rebuilt they get knocked down. They get reimagined.
They get repurposed Well, the thing is is that the land is for the living yeah, that's all it's full is the living people to go in there And feel like they're doing something. I mean the spirits don't care if it's there or not I mean it gives them a better place to hide but it's really full of living and they don't understand that I don't think right it's insanity. So we go out there and it's all I do that so we're out of place And I was like it's the land. It's the land.
It's the land and And nine times out of ten it's not even that it's not even that great of a that's too great of an odds 99.99 9% of the time I go out somewhere and it's not demonic and everybody pulls me out for something demonic and I'm like It's not a level in or it's not a level in the human. That's kind of more wiling towards us because you know We use the term demonic before but we're we kind of lean more now towards work like you said malevolent yeah And in human now last night and in my 30 years. I've hit malevolent a lot of times in human I've had a great deal of times kind demonic last night would have been my seventh time and Everybody's like what do you mean only your seven and No joke. I sat there and they tried bargaining with it They were making their deals with it They were like what if you don't take this group of people and we allow you to stay in the building But we offer the fear and energy of this group of people that come through and I was like okay I don't know what y'all are doing but y'all need to STF you right now And they were like well and I said first of all we don't make deals with demons They never hold up their head their end of the bargain.
That was the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life I would have I'd literally would have been like hitting people last time. Yeah, and I said second second We we don't offer innocent people up in a bargaining chip Not only do we not even start to bargain, but we don't start playing with other people's energies We don't say hey We like this group of people and they have to be here all the time So we're going to offer you the energy of this group of people instead So who are you to put them at risk? Who are you to offer their energy? Who are you to start making deals with something?
It's not now luck like of all the things that was happening I mean rim pods were going off K2 make meter everything every time I spoke everything went wrong members were throwing up I was being pulled out of the rooms every time I went to say no Somebody got sick in another part of the building or fainted and I got pulled out so that I couldn't sit and say absolutely Not no deals no bargains. I got one for you. I'm here for you You're going to get you're going to leave because I'm here. Yeah, if we were there last night We would have been kicking people even though it was somebody else's investigation Yeah, Cas and I would right there kicking escorting people out of the building.
Yeah, and so I was like absolutely not right no way No, how and luckily in the middle of it all with all everything that was going on and what is that the elbow the Obulus obvious they Know can cross everywhere. No, no, no, no It didn't want to make a video and I said you you are dealing with something that is the equivalence of a new Nash mush in the Native American Which is when something violent happens and they cry out for revenge as they're dying with the fear and the anger age that were mixed Right with the violence these things come in and they only know one thing and one thing only I'm here to take revenge and they don't understand time periods And they don't realize that you're not the ones that did it They don't care and they don't care that there's a building there and they don't care that the building's been repurposed Rebuilt refurbished nobody cares released. It doesn't matter. They're there in the land and they're there for a purpose But they're so powerful They're one of the most powerful of the entities because they don't care because they were brought by three of the strongest most Evil of the emotions that hold them in when you put them together rage violence and fear You're up against a monster of an entity.
Do you think it wants to hear about your Mario? I got a deal for you. You can play off these people's fear If you leave these people alone and let them cause the fear to these people And I just and I stood up and I think I've even got a recording of it where I went no Absolutely, no and everybody said sit down and shut up. We're trying to make it better here Really because they know better than you right you have you have a master occultist and a renowned demonist here But no one's supposed to sit down and then I started getting kicked out of the room before I could you know really?
There's my cool people were like you need to come here And you've got a member that's in the bathroom and they're throwing up and there's blood coming out of their nose I'm like oh My way, right then I just turn around. I was no deals. There will be no deals I would we won't keep to the end of it because they won't keep to their end there are no deals here And we don't offer we don't offer Venus in public up. That's not that's not you want to offer somebody offer me How about I offer me and one of the guys that was there?
Started to twist up Really badly it was really bad and he got paralyzed in the throat and he couldn't speak And we couldn't get him out of the building because we he's twisted and I grabbed all from Paul to Paul My fingers on his on the pulse points They said what are you doing and I said from him to me on the better vessel. I invite you to come to me. I Invite you into me. I'll take it leave the sky alone and I'll take it.
I'll take it. I'm a better vessel I'm stronger than this man is You have more power with my voice than you do this guy. Who is this guy? I at least have a press voice Come to me.
I'll take you. I open. That's fine. God outside went to do a cleansing And you know the four-letter name of God.
Do you know I could only get two of two of it out? Every time I went to hit thou I threw up my own I was like yo, hey, but boom yo, hey, boom And I was like and I couldn't get the four-letter name of God vibrated and I was like oh I might have been a bit more than I should have chewed on in my mouth might have written a check and my blood's not able to cash it Right now. I'm in trouble and everybody's like are you okay? And I'm sitting out there at 4 a.m.
With Mel jacket And I'm not cold. I don't feel the weather somebody walked over and said do you realize you have no breath coming out of your mouth? All of us have breath and I was like oh shit. Nope.
Still got a pulse. We're good Nope still alive. We're good, and I'm hungry, so we're still good. That's a good sign, right?
Finally I got the four-letter name of God out And when I did I my on the last hey my breath came out you could see my breath in the in the parking lot and I got cold I was like but I was like way cold I was like completely complaining that Eskimos would die in Utah in this kind of weather because LA people can't take this We need to come back in January right. I like people can't handle 60 degrees. No That's like a state of emergency. We made fun of a couple years ago.
We were sitting on the news. It was like News in California. It's like it's 55 degrees. Everyone's like it's a little bit chilly here We're parking the other way on full-on winter jackets everyone in Utah.
It's like 30 degrees. We're wearing flip-offs and t-shirts You know in 30 degrees we call a state of emergency. We do we're like in Los Angeles. It becomes a state of emergency We have flex alerts that go off where they're like please don't use your electricity Our power grid is over purgatory people turning on every heater everything that you've got in your house It's a rock you're not power But it was it's crazy these people who think that they're helping now I don't think that they thought about anything other than like we're trying to make it better a better Thing and I was like never make it better by trying to hurt somebody else Right and they were like but we're not saying hurt Then we're saying that they could feed off of the fear that they have inside an object and I'm like it doesn't you can't make And they don't know how it feels like how you are feeling with your you know Not having breath and then like you're through it while I mean I've had those instances, but I don't remember them Oh, okay, they remember that.
She's been manipulated a couple times. Yeah We're trying to twist it up too and she's twisted to the point to where I was carrying her in her hand Like when it's somewhere clothin and dug in the back of my shoulder and I actually had a energy healer and somebody else told me But when that happened that entity or whatever that was manipulating her had put a curse in my shoulder Oh, wow Yeah, so and then I guess they were gonna carry me out of the building and I'm not a very big person But apparently I felt really heavy well was after it was hard for me to carry on you I'm seeing the size difference between the two of us like yeah, she's extremely light like it's not hard for me to carry It was at this point. It was really hard and then by the time I gave up and put her down It took three more people to carry this little thing. I could carry you Yeah, I built bombs for a living for the Air Force so I could carry And then it was an instance It's a day where I guess something happened and it took him and another person to I literally had her I was sitting in a chair and I was bare-hugging her holding her down because there was a room that was there that was locked that night we were there it's on the second level and You know how there's the balcony that looks like the parking lot I never went to the second level of salt I absolutely had this is horrible.
I had no desire to be inside the building I wanted to be on the salt lake flats all time I didn't go to the second floor. I took nine groups out into the into the salt There's a room in there that has like eight or nine mirrors around it. Yeah, and then in one of the walls There's the electrical panel so that room is full of EMF for listeners Jimmy's freaking out The whole way and they're like well where did it go and I'm like okay, so I pulled into this room and like it's here I'm like okay, I actually looked in the mirror and where she was sitting I didn't see her I saw something else and I said hey Randy can you turn you head for me and she just sat there didn't do nothing So we got to the point where like I said I was bare-hugging her holding her down and she leaned forward And this is the only investigation of ever where shorts on I'm never gonna do it again But she leaned forward and if you see her fingernails here Oh, yeah, that's a closet free each side three on started at my ankles and started digging all from my ankles up to my knees And I let go just a tiny bit But it was enough for her to break free and started running across the room and and Castle and more of other best kids had a tackler to the floor Now see unless I'm being ridden in voodoo I say booty when I'm on any type of interview because nobody eats nice What knows what it is so I just I automatically when there's a mic in front of me say voodoo Unless that's the purpose of our shows we try to not only entertain but educate people okay, so I usually know if there's a mic in front of my face I say the do nobody else knows what it is a quick as we do want to we do want to educate people Okay, so and that's not being written which is like a possession But it's more like a your horse and you're being written in voodoo and I don't remember that and I can do like superhuman things But it's never hurting somebody I remember anything I remember last night fully or this morning completely fully and Salter I know that I didn't want I I know that there was I wanted out and what I was referring to as the trine the Bermuda triangle Yeah, I love that description Do you mind because we do have a lot of local listeners here in Utah you might kind of go over the triangle how you Incorporated the copper and you can like this because everybody was like what with the metal So you go out and you go out from the Salter building and you go down in there And if you can get yourself from where the original Salter was to the copper mines to the vet to the animal of island Okay, it's 33.3. Yeah 33.33.
Nice degree. So it's a triangle Now there's been a couple small planes that calm down in that and there's been a lot of boats and a few people have drawn And it's considered the Bermuda triangle, but it's the perfect right to storm You've got copper in the mines when the copper is a copper is a conduit it brings energy and flows it you have The original Salter which has the train tracks over there Which is iron and so you've got iron which is kind of a magnet but also a grounding thing that keeps it there Then out towards the island you have to salt inside the water and the salt water is and because it's three times the salt in the ocean It's a great electrical current. So now you've got electricity in the water You've got the conduit flowing and the other one which is keeping it in there So it's traps you've got a trifecta of a perfect storm of a Bermuda triangle in the middle of your Salter lake I found that fascinating. It was like you said when we were out there on the lake You told me how there was the two kids that just kept wanting to go find the water Not there like change the subject and all but that's probably one of the more fascinating investigation never been like I've never investigated with you before And it was a completely new experience for me.
I do everything with the thing is is that when I walk in I've already scrubbed the areas Yeah, so I've got an estimated research done first. So I'm scrubbed. It's what's called scrubbed the area So again when I told them it's about the land we know that so I told people I said think about it And I'd like to start to take people to what the land we used to be like so we're walking out And I'm like where's the water guys and they were like it's right there nice. No, it's not it's an optical illusion.
It's a mirage I said now it's the 18 I just Early 19s we're coming through your horses are dehydrated your family's dehydrated your children's lips are cracked You can't taste anything and you're swollen in the mouth and you see water and you go to it And it's not there and you keep walking because it looks like it's just beyond your touch each time by the time you reach it You're in desperation so you drink it and it's three times the salt of the ocean and you just signed your death warrant out here And there are no doctors. There's no building with your bottles of water. There's no road. You have no cell phones There's no 911.
There's no anything This is just a brand new trail on the way to get to this over the Sierra Nevada's into California to try to find gold That's all there is now. That's it. I know you said that is the first memory of this land That's it Okay, and these guys went I can find the water and they started going running towards them guys It's an optical illusion. There's no one maybe came desperate like they turned in this light or death Desperation and went we can find the water Jimmy.
We just kind of keep going. Come on We'll make it and I'm like yeah, see back in the building. We got a case of water. So we're good So we can stop now.
We're good and they're like Jimmy come on and I'm like, what are you gonna do when we get there? Don't drink it. Okay, I'm not giving you people not I'm not giving people a first day if you trip and fall I'm not gonna use the PR. I'm just gonna kick you until you start breathing or stop breathing I don't care which okay, don't make me chase you and they ran like that not these kids ran from me And then one decided I got a fever the little boy drowned and he took off to the side and I was like oh My maybe I took you guys too far back.
I need you to come on back with me See I remember when you were telling me the story I was kind of I kind of got the impression of the feeling that there was at least six spirits They were influencing these two kids. Yeah, you counted eight. Well, there was two there was six times But you thought they were running to forward there was two to the sides that were that were over towards the original So that was eight but you were correct there was six influencing for the water and Then the two influenced him to run the other direction and I was like I'm just not wow Bad bad kids was a newspaper bad. I know stop it not running after you 20 something year olds I'm too old for this They you know one of the most interesting things about that night though Spining about the island with the undertaker because that's where everybody was trying to people was being pulled chill Everybody was running that way everybody was running because towards that island even looking for the water They were running towards that island and like I said when we found out that an undertaker Had been banished there and nothing was ever found.
It was Interesting to say the least and again. I really love to hit an investigation completely scrubbed with information And so that's an interesting area between like you said kind of a mere triangle effect There's all the history that's right through there. You know who I met at the convention the next day a firefighter Who is Letting me the next time I'm up here into one of your most haunted fire fire houses that they use for training now where he said Two firefighters refused to go back in it And he saw some stuff that he actually hit under the covers in his room I'm just prayed for an alarm to turn on the lights because he wasn't gonna get out of there You know and this is a big firefighting wandering to fire and he was terrified of this fire house And he goes I will let you in and I said oh Thank you. I love that But he was telling me that before he was the trainer out there That road in front of Salter is Bad with calls people being dropped there out of their minds people being dropped there half dead people being called on That they've been found their dead or unconscious and he goes and you have no idea how many deaths There are the people who just run out onto that salt like even in broad daylight had just Whatever happens with the salt or the heat or the cold or the wet they don't make it back He goes he goes what did you just call it to me?
The Bermuda triangle of Utah and he goes that's more applicable than you know Which adds a lot more depth of the salt or investigations, but we're running kind of long on time I could say I talked to you all night. Yeah, I could too But we try to keep the episodes under an hour and we're well at an hour well over an I wish we could keep going It happens well, we'll definitely have her back on so I think you were one of my favorite guys I've had on so far. Yeah, you're saying you're a new man. I'm not sure yeah Newman's fun, but I mean you just you have so much information for me Newman's a Because of the Utah medium.
I don't know if you plan on being here for the paranormal festival on November 4th That's Jenna Jenna the ever putting that one together. I Absolutely cannot make it the thing is as I was invited to this one and It was incredible because this Expo the Halloween Expo paid for a speaker to be my hotel Oh cool, and so I was I didn't come out of an extreme amount of pocket to come up here Nice and with two horses You can't really reach into my pocket constantly right and pay to come up any place because if I'm reaching in my pocket It's usually for the horses So it's it's harder, you know, like I was telling you when I saw you I didn't come up those The couple of months ago, and I'm only did I not feel well and yes I got financially strapped my horse got sick and I was telling you what happened and it was $1,800 out of my pocket and he needed to be tended to four to five times a day And I was like I I I I we have some of our friends have horses and they would completely understand it It was like I was telling you like your horses or dogs or whatever And will you own they're like your children and they come first I completely understand that we're actually extremely glad that you were able to make It appear for this weekend none of us nearly you're gonna be here till I was it's all there I'm like, oh, hey Jimmy's here. Yeah, it's good to see you on the show. So I went up to her I'm posting it on my Facebook.
You know watch anything tip. No, I don't I don't I don't watch my Facebook back close I see what notifications I have and respond accordingly. Yeah, I do pretty much this what we do to me Take a post off on our Facebook page because we you know want to engage with people Email him directly. I will be in town pay attention Look at me.
It was really fun to actually investigate with you. So we definitely look forward to having you back and we Too bad you live in California. I always make you a regular regular regular We have you on at least like once every three months or whatever. Well with that I think we'll call an episode and peace out butterflies.
Oh fight you That's going to catch race. You need to not do that. Okay, you are dying to get that out best You're listening to the Wisps was at your investigative studies for paranormal science They're grown as adults that like to sit in the dark and talk to each other, but they all love their moms So that should account for something