Hard power and hard choices with debt and defence episode artwork

EPISODE · Jun 10, 2026 · 33 MIN

Hard power and hard choices with debt and defence

from The OMFIF Podcast · host OMFIF

As governments commit to long-term security strategies stretching to 2035, fiscal pressures are arriving much sooner and markets are already responding. What does sustained defence expenditure mean for sovereign debt, borrowing costs and economic priorities? Who ultimately pays, and over what timeline? In the second episode of the ‘Hard power’ series on defence, Udaibir Das, vice chair at OMFIF, is joined by Sarah Carlson, senior vice president of sovereign risk at Moody’s Ratings and Ron Smith, emeritus professor of applied economics at Birkbeck, University of London. Together, they discuss the historical record on defence build-ups and growth; the fiscal arithmetic facing higher-debt sovereigns and whether political ambitions, fiscal realities and market expectations can ultimately be reconciled.

As governments commit to long-term security strategies stretching to 2035, fiscal pressures are arriving much sooner and markets are already responding. What does sustained defence expenditure mean for sovereign debt, borrowing costs and economic priorities? Who ultimately pays, and over what timeline? In the second episode of the ‘Hard power’ series on defence, Udaibir Das, vice chair at OMFIF, is joined by Sarah Carlson, senior vice president of sovereign risk at Moody’s Ratings and Ron Smith, emeritus professor of applied economics at Birkbeck, University of London. Together, they discuss the historical record on defence build-ups and growth; the fiscal arithmetic facing higher-debt sovereigns and whether political ambitions, fiscal realities and market expectations can ultimately be reconciled.

NOW PLAYING

Hard power and hard choices with debt and defence

0:00 33:44

No transcript for this episode yet

We transcribe on demand. Request one and we'll notify you when it's ready — usually under 10 minutes.

Frequently Asked Questions

How long is this episode of The OMFIF Podcast?

This episode is 33 minutes long.

When was this The OMFIF Podcast episode published?

This episode was published on June 10, 2026.

What is this episode about?

As governments commit to long-term security strategies stretching to 2035, fiscal pressures are arriving much sooner and markets are already responding. What does sustained defence expenditure mean for sovereign debt, borrowing costs and economic...

Can I download this The OMFIF Podcast episode?

Yes, you can download this episode by clicking the download button on the episode player, or subscribe to the podcast in your preferred podcast app for automatic downloads.
URL copied to clipboard!