Haunted Nebraska

In the dead of night, as people sleep, that is when the spirits creep. As the bell tolls three dark things take power, we like to call it the supernatural hour. Hey, welcome back to the supernatural hour. I'm Raven, and tonight we are going to talk about another haunted state.

As you know, we're going through all the states and talking about what's the most haunted everywhere. And this particular time we are talking about Nebraska. Some might say, ooh, Nebraska, the heart of the Great Plains. Well, Nebraska might look kind of quiet on the surface, flat, definitely flat.

But there are places in Nebraska that are full of history that kind of say otherwise. It's not boring there at all, actually. When I think of Nebraska, I think corn, I just imagine the whole state is just one giant flat corn shell. But there's actually old limestone caves, there's 19th century roads, theaters, parks, all of these having some sort of complicated ghost inspired past.

And if you think about it, it's kind of like Nebraska has layers. And when you've got layers, you've got hidden stuff there. So tonight we are going to talk about some of those haunted locations in Nebraska, not all of them, if you're from Nebraska. You might say, hey, miss this one, you missed that one.

But we will discuss a few, what happened there, when it happened, and a little bit about what people are still reporting, hearing and seeing today. So as always, we are not here to tell you what to believe. Just give you some stories and let you decide for yourself if you think it's haunted or not. So I need to grab your flashlight.

A little teaser, don't whistle back if you hear it in the woods and let's get into this. But it's not just me. I have my co-hosts. I'm a student in castles here.

Castles chime again. I'm co-hosting castle. So nobody can see me. So I can't like wave myself into the thing.

So I might just but in rudely in this particular episode, yeah, our video has been having issues tonight for sure. He said he was there, but you know, Castle kind of talked over him and I'm Chad and I'm here. I can't see Chad. So this might be interesting.

We're all going to be talking over each other. That's OK. We've done it before. I can see me on my monitor.

I look fine. I've got motion on my but hey, saying that you look fine. I don't know. I can ever really agree with that.

Hey, we are. All righty. We have got some investigations to talk to you about later in the show that were really kind of fun. Well, not kind of fun.

They were really, really fun. And we have two upcoming events. We have Salt Air on January 23rd, which if you're planning on going to that, you better get your tickets quick because I don't know. By the time you hear this, they might be gone.

And then we also have the wild thistle on February 14th where we will have a light dinner. And we've got a fun little, I hate to call it a trinket, but it's kind of a build your own little trinket while you're waiting for everyone to get there and everyone to get started a a fun little thing that you can take home as a souvenir of our ghost head, which I don't think it's way for even for us. Isn't that Valentine's night? Yes, it is.

We're going to have a ghost time on Valentine's night. Yes, we are. And food. You can bring a date.

You can bring a friend. You can come by yourself. It's not date exclusive, but we are having a Valentine's dinner and show as it were. Let's be honest, this is like the perfect opportunity though, because like a Valentine's ghost hunt, I mean, especially if it's like a first or second date and you're wanting to get a little cuddly and close, you bring that special lady and you get her scared and she can want to be cuddly and close with you.

So it seems like the perfect night for a ghost hunt. Or you're never going to get back. So true. So true.

Scaring doesn't come back. It wasn't meant to be. There's plenty of fish in the sea. Maybe this is how you can test out that special so I want to see how they handle the ghost hunting before you get serious.

And then we do have the March event. It's a reception center. And so we have to wait to find out what date will work for them, but it's a for sure venue. It's just not a for sure date yet, but we will know that here by our next podcast.

So the third week in March is where we're looking at it. It could vary a week or two depending upon available dates for us. But our wish list is that third week of March. So you can tentatively pencil that in your calendar.

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So be watching that. All right. So let's jump into the most haunted in Nebraska. And here's a little fun fact for you.

Castle and I are half Nebraska. All right. We are data from Nebraska. We actually spent many of the family vacations spending two weeks driving to and from back from Nebraska.

Nebraska is flat and there's lots and lots and lots of corn. There's enough corn that I firmly believe they make ethanol for cars out of corn because it's endless. Endless corn. Endless corn.

And my favorite memory of Nebraska is the first time I went, I was five. The first time I remember going, I was five. I probably should put a little caveat there. And we went to the Plat River and I found a toe in the Plat River.

It was like a necklace charm, like me out of clay or resin or something. And I had a little hook in it that you could put a necklace. But I didn't tell that to my mom. I pulled it out of the sand and I'm like, look, mom, I found a toe.

She had a little freak out and then she realized that it was like a ceramic toe and everything was good. So there we go. That is my personal fun Nebraska fact. So let's start with the Museum of Shadows.

And this is in Omaha. It's in Omaha's old market. And it's an area that was developed in the late 1800s that they used because of warehouse and a rail trade district. And so that right there is just going to be just we're talking about layers earlier.

So it's just going to be layered with industrial history and tragedy just with accidents and things like that. The museum itself opened in 2016. And it was founded by paranormal investigators who had spent years collecting allegedly haunted items from estates, abandoned properties, crime scenes. So I think the Warren's Museum that may be not on a quite that same level.

A lot of the artifacts are tied to the 19th and 20th century deaths, including murders, suicides, institutional abuse cases, things like that. Have any of you guys been to the Zat Bagons Museum? I can't go in there. So true.

Castle, have you been there? I have not. It is on my to-do list. I really want to go to the Zat Bagons Museum.

I'm so curious about Drake. I'm asking for not good things to happen if I go in there. So what you're saying is, I'll pee your pants for your neighbor half hour. At the very least.

No more of a possibly have something attached and follow me home. Yeah. The demons like to harass Drake. Ah ha.

And with all the amount of stuff he has in there, I'm not even going to risk it. Probably a good idea. There's too many people who think about stuff who have no business doing so. Exactly.

So going back to this museum of shadows in Omaha, some of the reported activity they get there include voices on audio, object shifting, shadow figures, physical sensations like pressure or nausea. So all these fun facts, if you had to take some kind of a haunted object home for a week, think of any of the haunted objects you've ever heard of, not necessarily this museum specific, what are you taking home? And why do you hate yourself for taking it home? I'm going to go last.

I want to hear what Drake and Chad have to say. Mine's going to tie into if I want to sleep in my own house again, it's not happening. It's hypothetically you have to pick something, it's just like a pretend. We're going hypothetical.

It's I'm going to go with one of the Amityville spoons. I like the ones that are in my drawer right next to me right now. Matter of fact, I've got three of those in my drawer. How about you, Chad?

What are you taking home? I don't know. I haven't really thought about that. I don't think really about taking home objects.

One of the things that we did see though was that crazy rock that we found in Twillow that's in the Prova River now. That one would have been a bad one to take home with us. You remember that one, Castle? Oh, yes, I do.

I've got pictures of it. I'm the one who deposited it in the river. Yeah, we took that one on the way to the river. We took that to the Benson Grismill.

All hell broke loose. Quite literally. Yes, yes, I did. That would have been one of those objects.

I don't know that I'd really want to take it home for a week, but that's one of those memorable objects. There was also some Native American Indian artifacts that Castle and Raven and I saw. I think it was a trailer in the Orum area. And it had an antelope or a deer hoof and almost a tomahawk made out of that, which I thought was really cool.

But that one, I think, too, was a haunted object that would have been something, if you were going to bring something home for a week and hate myself later on, that one probably would have done it, too. For me, probably a mirror of some sort of haunted mirror. Yeah, you've never been too big into mirrors at all. No, they couldn't get me out.

I bought Raven a nice mirror jewelry box full length that you can look into when you do that. She had to make sure it didn't overlook the bed. All right, you guys are boring. I got to pick something good.

Okay, so if Castle had to hypothetically pick a Kirster haunted object to take home for a week because I hated myself and I had no self-respect, I would probably go Annabelle. Why wouldn't I take Annabelle? Because you don't want to die. I was going to say a haunted dog.

I was going to say like Robert the doll, but I didn't want to go ahead. That was my runner up. That was my runner up. I was going to say Robert the doll.

Say I want to hate myself. I don't want to die. I don't want to die. I don't want to die.

I don't want to die. I'm going to go run around. I'm going to throw the crying boy painting in there. Cool.

All right, so let's talk about Hummel Park. So, Hummel Park, it was landed and donated to the city in 1914. But it actually opened it as park in 1930. So it was donated and then the city got around to like Parks and Rec into a city park.

However, the area's dark reputation formed around the mid-20th century. I guess around this piece of land there's a lot of doctrine. It's committed violence, racial tension, and a lot of unsolved deaths. And this actually, all this tension, racial violence, et cetera, all happened between the 1930s and 1970s.

So it's more modern. It's not even like happened back in the 1800s. It's like modern yuckiness to happen here. So with all this, there's a paranormal legend escalated alongside the real history.

So besides the fact that you have all this racial violence going on, you've got tension unsolved deaths. They're starting to become just legends that the locals start at the create. And every city has these. Raven and I grew up in Payson.

There used to be an old sawmill next to the public park that we used to call the old mill. And there was all kinds of paranormal legends about a great big giant doll that would kill if you went near the mill. So just stuff like that. This park is not feeling impressive even during the daytime.

And at night, people have talked about experiences that just further the reputation of this park. For instance, people hear sounds. They see shadow figures. They see ghost lights.

They hear screams coming from the woods. But reputation has grown and grown. So let me ask you guys this. If you're on an investigation, let's say we go to a park and we're investigating it's a haunted park.

What noise is the noise that makes you guys pack up your gear and say, nope, not today or not. I don't think I have one. How about you, Chad? What do you got?

A good blood curling scream might get me. It's not really knowing what's going on there. It's something that's pretty well distinct where it's like, okay, what's really going on? How about you, Drake?

What do you got? I'm along on Raven on that. There's not really one that would make me go, okay, nope, we're going. So we actually did an outdoor event last year, two years ago, where there was gunshots.

And you could tell that they weren't, you could tell that they were west of where we were. But I was like, this, it's not here. We're good. You keep selling my stuff versus Robert, the doll not gunshots.

That'll be mine. I'm like, if there's a drive by going on the park, I pack up my stuff and go. As far as the paranormal sound though, I don't know there's much that would send me packing. It's interesting because I see people in ghost hunts get so scared just at being at the ghost hunt.

And you do this long enough. Your sense of fear kind of diminishes significantly. There are certain things that may make my blood run cold for a second, but as far as fear packing up and leaving, there's not much. I think maybe if I heard a really loud guttural in human growl, and I want to say really loud, I mean really loud, that might startle me.

And I may consider leaving, but I don't know that I would actually leave. The only time I have ever felt the need to leave is when you just get the feeling. I have been somewhere where the atmosphere has turned so dark and so heavy, it's like, mmm, for everyone's safety, we should probably go into a different room. But yeah, that wasn't even on an investigation.

And I've looked into those circumstances, but it's not really because of fear as much as it is for other people's safety. Yep, exactly. I wouldn't even say my own safety, just the safety of the people I'm with. Yeah, well, and I'll make the story really brief, but Chad and I were at a restaurant and there's a lot of things happening.

There's some nasty things going on in this restaurant that I'm putting some puzzle pieces together. I had to have seen Island-ish. Yeah, they were creepy. And we were sitting there and looking at what's going on in this restaurant, putting two and two together.

And it wasn't just me, they're a couple sitting next to us. You can hear them putting pieces together. And I looked, there's the restaurant and then off to the side was this couple steps up to this bar. And I looked up at the bar and there was probably 15, 16 people at the bar.

And I looked and they all looked like the exact same person. It was all the same person and I thought, well, that's not right. And I just got the worst feeling and we were almost done. We just had a couple of bites left and then have to wait for the check, but I looked at Chad and said we gotta go, something that's not right here.

Interesting. Yeah, anyway, moving on. Yeah, it was very dark. It got very, very dark.

And like I say, really kind of Epstein Island-ish. It was on a bay. We were at a nice restaurant. There was docks.

People were going out to yachts. Lots of young women going out with older men into the yachts. And it was just, you could tell it was not a good situation. And I don't know if it was paranormal or just evil, but there was definitely darkness there.

All right, let's go back to Nebraska. Yeah, okay then. So now we next we have the Nebraska State Capitol. So construction began in 1922, but finished in 1932 and it replaced a older Capitol building.

So it was built during the time of economic strain leading into the Great Depression with started with long construction hours and very dangerous conditions. Multiple staff and security reports from the 1930s, and on, include footsteps, voices, cold drafts and apparitions and stairwells. That just being on security and you've seen that version, that'd be cool. Oh yeah, I think so.

One persistent legend involves a Native American spirit possibly tied to earlier land use long before the Nebraska became a state. Nebraska became a state in 1867. So that's got some time. So do government building source stress the same way old hospitals do?

We've investigated the Salt Lake City County building. It's been a long time and it's hard to get in there without some major funds and permits almost. But yeah, we've had a really good investigation there way back in the day. I'm sure Castle remembers us.

We've got some pretty good EVPs from that. But yeah, it was a really good investigation. I got some ex-light VPNs from that particular location. And there's a lot of history behind that particular building, including talked it back in the early 1800s when that was built that they did some executions on the grounds, whether that's true or not, I don't know.

But that being said, I think government buildings in general can store a lot of energy. If you think about it, there's a lot of emotion tied to government buildings. A lot of people come and go. They're bringing spirits with them, layering behind.

You've got a lot of anger as you've got two different political sides of the aisle like contending over pot button issues. Art rooms, adversarial prosecution and defense. Court rooms, criminals. I think those buildings are just a magnet for spiritual activities because of that.

If you have a killer come in who's got all kinds of negative attachments, what's to say that something like that might not linger behind or even a victim who may be attached to a criminal, maybe decided to just linger in the courtroom. I think government buildings are a great location for spirits. Yeah, I was just going to say, I think hospitals and government buildings are going to store the same intensity of stress. There's going to be a little different where in hospitals, there's going to be illness and sickness and death.

And babies, hospitals aren't all negative. Whereas if your government buildings are going to be more, you know, murders and crimes, and there's going to be happy things about government building, you can get your passport, you can get your marriage license. But in general, yeah, I think they're going to be the same. Just for different reasons.

Okay, so if you guys heard of Robert's Cave, Robert's Cave in Lincoln, Nebraska? No, I have not. Okay, it has one of the strongest clusters of paranormal legends in the state. It's rooted with indigenous spirituality, outlaw history, underground tunnels, and decades of recorded voices, screams, and shadow figures.

The cave is a mix of geology, human history, folklore, and a whole bunch of other things that really go kind of crazy. There's a lot of indigenous spiritual significance there. According to local accounts, the Pawnee called the bluff above the cave, Pockuck, a sacred place where they communicated the Creator God. People who explore the cave today often report hearing drumming and chanting whispers in languages they can't identify, sudden temperature drops.

These experiences are often attributed to the site's long standing spiritual importance. The underground railroad and hidden tunnels was also there. Robert's Cave was reportedly used as a stop on the underground railroad to help get slaves out of the south and up into the north. It was a hideout for fugitives.

The tunnel system connected to an old penitentiary and a metal institution. Stories claim that some escapees died in the tunnels. Their voices or footsteps are still heard. Shadow figures appear at the tunnel's intersections.

There are frequently described footsteps behind them when no one is there. Cold pockets in the dead end corridors and disembodied voices calling out. What do you think of that so far? I'm going to say the whole cold air pockets, it's a cave.

That one I'm going to debunk right here now, sitting in the comfortable chair I'm in in my comfortable office. But wait, there's more. There's more. There were outlaws there.

The cave is tied to outlaw folklore, most famously Jesse James, who is said to have used this as a hideout in 1876. Their normal reports connected to this ear include boot steps in on stone, metallic clinks like spurs that are dropped or dropped coins, and male voices muttering or laughing in empty chambers. Their spirits from the penitentiary and asylum. Because the potatoes allegedly connected the cave to the Nebraska State Penitentiary and a separate mental institution, stories claim that prisoners and patients wander into the caves.

Some of them never made it out and their spirits still linger there. Reported phenomena includes screams of cries from the deeper chambers, laughter echoing from empty tunnels, and sudden feelings of dread in narrow passages. Those are among some of the most commonly cited experiences by the investigators. Well, that's a pretty happening cave.

What's creepier than an open tunnel you can't see into or brick up one that implies that there's more there that you're not allowed to access? What do you guys think? Alright, I'll go first. I think with a creepier thing is the open tunnel you can see into because you don't know what's going to be at the end of the tunnel, what's going to jump out, if anything is something I'm going to walk across.

But a brick up one that implies there's stuff that you're not allowed to access. I'm going to want to access it and I'm going to get out my, what is my little thing called that I can stick in and look in places. Endoscope. I know I started with the neck and think of the rest of the word.

Forgive her, and she's on hard drugs. I really am. I am. No, literally I had surgery yesterday.

I'm literally on OxyContin right now. He's high as a kite. Alright, sorry. How about everybody else?

Locked up tunnel or open tunnel? The blocked up tunnel is going to make me really curious because I'm really going to know what's behind it. Endoscope. Yeah, I don't know that either is going to creep me out, but I think maybe just a curiosity by itself will make it more interesting for me.

So I'm going to have to say blocked up tunnel just for sure and for a sake. Drake, how about you? I'm going to go with my open link is you don't know what's in there. I wonder what's coming out of it.

But yeah, I've blocked up one. I'm going to want to get behind there or I'm going to know why it was blocked, break up. How about you, John? I think the blocked up one is the more interesting to me because I want to know why it was blocked up.

Why did someone go to the effort of blocking up the tunnel? Was it just dangerous and collapsing and that or was there something back there that they didn't want people to go back and see or experiencing? So I think a blocked up tunnel is more interesting. And if you know me, I'm going to go look if I can.

Damn. I'm there with you looking. And that's why we're related. Okay.

So we're going to go back to Lincoln. We're going to go to the University of Nebraska at Lincoln. And there's a building there called Temple Building. Now, this was a Masonic Temple.

It was built in 1908 and the Mason that's already going to be a group that's shrouded in symbolism, secrecy. I don't even like the word secrecy in this case. I think it's sacred. Mystery.

Mystery is better. Sacred to them and they don't necessarily want to share it with everybody unless you're willing to join them. It was converted to the University of Nebraska at Lincoln for them to use in 1946. And what the university did was they turned it into a performing art area.

So theater, concerts, stuff like that. So it was in the 1950s and 60s that theater students started reporting paranormal activity. And some of the things that they saw included a young girl apparition, footsteps, doors opening, just your classic, onto theater type of stuff. Over the years, they renovated it many times because of new technology and wanting to enlarge it and everything like that.

And they've got old foundations layered with new structures. So you were back into the layering. That's our theme for the day. And if you think about it, you get renovations and that's just a classic recipe for haunting lore.

So think about this building. You've got Masonic past and everything that goes on with the Masons. You've got energy of life performance. So think of how many theaters are haunted, right?

And just the energy that brings. I think this place is just going to be fantastically haunted with all that kind of energy. What do you guys think? How many haunted theaters have we been to?

There's been so many. And so I think just the very energy of a theater brings in a lot of stuff. But and I don't want to disparage our Mason friends. I'm sure we've got some out there.

But there's a lot of spirit energy tied to Masons. If you talk to Catholic actresses, they are very adamly anti-Masons saying that it's satanic in nature. I don't necessarily know that I subscribed to that view. But I know that the Masons conduct a lot of rituals and do a lot of things with mystery.

And so I think that could potentially bring in spirits as well. We talked about energy right in government buildings. I mean, really a university is a government building. And a lot of energy could come in for many of the same reasons, not all the same reasons, but many of the same reasons.

So I wouldn't be surprised with a building that old having some energy like that. Okay, as I'm sitting here, I've got my foot underneath the dog bed. And I felt my dog get out of it. And when I looked down, she's not there.

She's over on the bed. And she wouldn't have had time to walk to the bed. I think it was about he's coming to visit me. That's quite possibly so.

Okay, so for me about the temple building, the Masonic Temple building, back in December, many of our events paranormal group went to the Salt Lake Masonic Temple for Odd Lake City. And that was very interesting. It has a very definite feel. They had a lot of these and a lot of things for sale by different vendors with some very interesting things.

But one of the interesting things is they conduct regular tours there that you can take and go through and take a tour of that building. And it's got a very interesting feel to it when you go in. And it's an interesting place to go. We've asked to see if we could investigate there and they don't do paranormal investigations there, which was really disappointing because it would have been a fantastic venue.

But it's really a venue. So I would encourage if you have a little time and you're in the Salt Lake area to stop by the Salt Lake Masonic Lodge and right around towards the back that there's a door where we can go in. And I don't know if it's, I think the tour's like five bucks or something like that. But yeah, I think the Masonic Lodge has got a lot of activity.

All right, now we're going to talk about the Seven Sisters Road. So this road dates back to late 19th century rural development, serving multiple farm and families that were out, essentially in the middle of nowhere. Legend claims that Seven Sisters died there sometime in the late 1800s, though all the records are not really accurate. Multiple stories exploded in popularity from the 1950s through the 70s as teen legend tripping culture took off.

Well, that doesn't still happen now. Reports include multiple screen shadow figures, car solines, and electrical malfunctions. That I think is just those last two are just operator error. No, right.

I'm trying to strike a stick. My battery died. I don't know how to fix it. So does a haunting proof or just enough consistency to survive for all this time?

That is a good question. When you get into all this teen legend tripping culture, there's a ton of it. Even the one that's jumping right to my mind is in the original Footloose movie, the other reason they can't dance is because a bunch of teens went to this other county to go dance and another way home. They were drinking and they drove off of a bridge in the old night.

And you get a lot of these stories. And if it's things that really happen, that's tragic, it's a tragic thing. I don't know. And it's interesting when you say it as a haunting proof.

It's just an interesting thing because in a lot of ways that can be in the eye of the beholder. What is proof to one person might not be proof to another. We try to gather as much evidence as we can, hard evidence, and then do what we can. But proof is pretty hard to establish.

I think Castle with his background in law enforcement can probably attest to that. It's hard to prove things, necessarily. Well, and I think honestly consistency is important to authenticate a haunting. If different people go to the same location and have similar experiences, I think that is a form of proof.

And I use my air quotations and I say form of proof. And honestly, that's why we do this as we look for proof. And really, there is no proof. It's hard to scientifically prove hauntings because to be proof scientifically has to be something that's repeatable.

And if you're talking with spirits, intelligent spirits, they may choose to cooperate or may not choose to cooperate or may not have the ability to cooperate. So I don't know how you ever actually truly prove anything. And the closest would be like an EDP. But again, for every EDP you find you're going to find half a dozen people who are going to dispute it one way or another.

That's a rogue radio signal. It's any number of things they could think it possibly could be. I don't know. I think when it comes to the paranormal proof is very subjective.

Even with investigating a lot of what we've experienced, it's been personal experiences and they're awesome and they're amazing. And they're part of why we do this. But actual proof is impossible, in my opinion, really in this framework to get. And I think it's interesting because when we ghost hunt, you'll have all sorts of equipment out, scientific equipment.

You've got tri-field meters, you've got rim pods, you've got all these things. But if the rim pod goes off, is it a ghost? Or like you said, is it just some rogue wave of some sort floating through the air? Sometimes things will happen where your rim pod will go off the same time as you'll establish red for no green for yes.

And someone will have dowsing rods. And the dowsing rods will say yes the same time the rim pod says yes. To me that goes, OK, I've got two things saying yes. That's a little more has a little more strength behind it than just one thing saying yes.

But I agree in the paranormal truly proving anything is difficult. We're pioneers in the field. So speaking of pioneers. We're not like the actual pioneers.

I would be like, I'm sorry. Raven has died of dysentery. All right, sorry. All right, speaking of pioneers, let's talk about the Clare Mills Hall.

So the Clare Mills Hall was built in 1894 originally serving as a housing and academic space during the school's early years. So this building is all older than Petitney where we investigate regularly. Name for Clare Mills oddly enough. I don't know why they would name Clare Mills Hall other than after name after some of Clare Mills.

It was connected to the university's formative period. So the first document of sightings at Clare Hall were in 1963 and it was reported by a staff member late at night. Since that time in 1963, they've had reports of footsteps, lights turning on, doors closing, and a calm and persistent presence has been reported. Now what's interesting for me is when I hear calm and persistent presence, that's what goes for like.

If someone had to tell me or ask me to explain what a spirit feels like when I'm saying there's a spirit standing over there, I would say it feels like a persistent presence that you can just kind of sense. So what are you guys' thoughts on like schools and hauntings and schools? It seems like colleges have got a lot of reports of ghosts and I'm sure someone has to do with the transient nature of the attendees at college and I'm sure it has to do with attachments that linger behind. But what are your thoughts on spirits related to schools?

Me, me, me. I got this having just been at a college and we talked earlier about theaters and government buildings having stressed in them. There's a lot of stress going on in those universities. Stress for tests, social stress because you've got kids that are away from home.

You for the first time they're trying to figure out budgeting, they're trying to figure out work at school and friends and peers and meeting new people. There's a lot of nerds going on there. So I think just a lot of energy and if you're a college ghost, there's a lot of stuff to do there. You've got to study for finals.

You've got to go to the party. You've got to get your homework turned in. You've got to get to class on time. I think it's just the nature of the school.

Yeah, I would agree with that. How about you, Chad? What are your thoughts? Yeah, I think anytime you get a lot of people together, theaters, government buildings, classrooms, all of those kinds of places, a lot of energy is generated and there could be a lot of, I probably want to call it residual energy, but energy that charges the venue up and makes it more viable for spirits to manifest there.

I'm not saying that they're residual. That's not what I mean by that, but I mean they're there and they're maybe easier to, it's easier for them to manifest and easier for them to do that because of all the emotional energy that has been built up over the years. Right? Your thoughts?

I'm going to go with, is that it. There's just so much energy there and that's why. I think, and I already kind of spoke on it, but I just think with young people in their 20s, as Raven mentioned, there's a lot of stress, but there's also a lot of activities on a campus and I would imagine if I was a wandering spirit, let's say I'm Granny Elsie, the pioneer goes to attach to some interesting high school or college student and I got to a campus and saw all the different people coming and going, the other spirit attachment coming and going, the activities, the games. I think if I was a spirit stuck in a timeless state, that may be a very appealing existence to a while away your time.

Absolutely. There's a lot going on, a lot to do, a lot to see, get football games, you got theater, you got there's all sorts of things too. Got your pervert goes to 1980s, 90 raids, not, it's getting. Oh, it's terrible.

Alright, so let's wrap this up. Raven looks like she's going to pass out in a puddle of drool, so she's on hard medication. So I am going to wrap this up by sharing out two radio Ronin. Radio Ronin is our podcasting host radio Ronin Network and they're an amazing podcast, so make sure you give them a listen.

I always describe them as a really good morning show without shitty music. Can I say that? Sure. I said it, I said it, I said it.

Alright, so Chad, let's talk about the widow's web and the wild thistle. Yeah, the wild thistle. Drake's widow's web is going to be brought to you by the wild thistle. And that's where we're going to the wild thistle cafe for Valentine's night, February 14th, there's still tickets available.

So go out and get those. It's very limited. It's a smaller venue. We've only got like 26 tickets total available and we have sold 10 of those already.

So just so you know, I have been seeing a lot of memes and reels kicking around that say Valentine's Day should be called spring Halloween's. Okay. It's just springtime Halloween. Alright, Drake, tell us about your tool.

Alright, so I said that, I thought that sounds bad. So we're going to talk about tonight. We're going to talk about laser grids, which I love the laser grids. Yeah, I think everyone, our team at least has at least one or is played with one.

But so laser grid will, it takes a laser and then it splits it or it acts like a prison inside of it. And then puts it out differently. You can set it to bigger dots, smaller dots, but the idea of it is, as you set it up and a spirit entity, whatever you're trying to talk to or is there, can walk through it and you'll see a shadow. I've seen a couple of them with it.

I know Raven's seen a couple of them with it when I've been using mine. But it's not like the most known ones there, but it's, in my opinion, it's not one of the most effective. Yeah, for me, it's one of those tools. You set down a rampot, it's going to be for it's not.

There's a lot of different tools where lights will come on or it sounds like, with a laser grid, you have to be patient, you have to be committed to sit there and stare at it. Because if you don't, you're going to miss something that's not going to make a noise, it's not going to light up. You're actually watching for a change of movement in the lights. I have laser grids and I use laser grids and I think they're actually pretty freaking neat.

But that right there, what Raven said is kind of my personal downfall with them is I am so wrapped up in other aspects of investigating that I'll put my laser grid out and then I forget to look at it. But they are actually a pretty neat tool investigating. It's actually one of the first things I ever used on an investigation. Yeah, the best thing to do is if you're going to set up a laser grid, set up a camera to watch the laser grid and then you can go back and review your footage unless you're willing to just sit there and watch it.

So there are the dot ones. I actually got one of the red line grid ones that have the squares, which is pretty cool. All right. So moving on from there, let's talk about swag.

If you want supernatural hours swag, you need to reach out and contact us on the events paranormal.com website and we will get you hooked up with some swag. We've got t-shirts, we've got you name it, we can get it to you. Just reach out and contact us. We can let you know how much it is.

At some point in the future, we will put it on the website. I know I've talked about it a lot, but it has been very, very busy and I haven't got that up yet. Please don't hurt me. Quit looking at me threateningly, Raven.

I promise I'll do it. Okay. So we're like, put it down, put it down, put it down the bat. I actually, Castle's been trying to teach me to do the website and I actually put some things on the website.

I was pretty proud of myself and then I tried putting something on another part of the website and I broke it upside I have Castle Fix it. So we're working on it. It's coming. I promise.

I'm slow. I'm slow. Okay. So we're going to jump over to the jump drawer, which I think is funny today, and the jump drawer is sponsored by a huge performing arts and cultural events center, which we will be going to later this year.

So we're going to talk about ghosts with zero chill. We talk about ghost speed and rude and here's the thing, trickster behavior is actually one of the most commonly reported paranormal patterns. It shows up across all cultures, locations, investigating styles. If you've done any paranormal investigating, you've run across that trickster ghost.

Castle and I, one of the first residential we ever did had a trickster ghost that would yank the kid out of bed on April Fool's Day or through a Dyson Castle. I wouldn't block actually. It was a whole full blown, well, I guess it was a Dyson. It wasn't block painted as a day.

It wasn't a little teeny guy. It was like a great one. Investigators, just all over, have documented this kind of activity since about the late 1800s and especially in early poltergeist cases, which if you've listened to the podcast for any uncertain amount of time that I don't think of poltergeist as ghosts, I think it's more of a human being expressing stress in a certain way. But these things, these kind of trickster ghosts, they're not violent Hollywood movie kind of things.

They're kind of annoyances. So these are going to be things like objects moved just enough to be noticed. In the same house with a die that got thrown at Castle, this ghost would go and turn the clock so that instead of the 12th being at the top, it would turn out so that the three was at the top and it did it so much you could actually see where it had worn paint off the wall. You'll get repetitive knocking, lights flicking on and off, and footsteps that follow investigators from room to room.

And you might save yourself. It'd just sound like your typical ghost things. The difference is how they interact with investigators at the time. So parapsychologists often describe this as interactive intelligence.

So like I said, it's not just noises at home owners who are hearing that they're actually reacting and interacting to investigators or the people in the home. So where it gets funny and kind of uncomfortable is because it's interacting with you. And this behavior can look a lot like testing boundaries, seeking attention or reacting when ignored. I don't know, I've done this.

On investigations you'll be talking to a spirit through a K2 meter or something and it'll be chatty with you and then you'll get talking to someone about something else and it starts making noises. It's like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, we're talking here. I'll be like, hey, I'll come back and talk to him in a minute. And you think about it as very human behavior and most spirits we run into were one time human.

They've just passed away so it kind of makes sense. So there are some theories that could make this even a little bit weirder. There's the psychokinetic theory and some researchers, can't talk, some researchers think this activity might come from living people under stress, not spirits meaning that the ghosts might be us. And that's where I think poltergeist activities, honestly.

I call it psychokinetic theory, I would call it vulturist. There's one called survival theory. So if you think about it, if your consciousness continues after death, which is what a ghost would be and personalities would too, which I totally adhere to that and I tell that to people all the time, the way you are now, when you die, it's the way you're not suddenly going to become a different person. A spirit could be sarcastic, they could be bored, they could have a sense of humor.

And I don't want to speak for you guys, but as I've investigated, you can tell the difference between spirits. You can tell that some are a little more playful, some are grumpy, some are just assholes. What do you guys think? Yeah, I think the personalities carry over after death.

And honestly, I can think of many investigations that you and I have been on Raven where the ghost personality is very much intact. For instance, I can think of a Vietnam spirit that was in a mausoleum, we investigated who I can't remember what it was you said, but you kind of pissed him off. And we had the Indian artifact that Chad mentioned that was made out of the deerfoot. And that was another one that we said something that was maybe a little insensitive and we pissed out and got stopped.

And they just don't pissed off examples, but we've had other examples that haven't been a pissed off situation. But you can definitely tell that some spirits are angry, some spirits are helpful. We had an investigation that I can't remember if you went with me on this one or not. It was a house up in Morgan, Utah, where a spirit was very sad.

We actually heard audible sobbing. So I do think personalities, we are who we are when we die. We just basically lay down our body, but we're still who we are. We still have the same thoughts, same feelings, the same reactions to stimulus.

I'm not going to die. And I go something that becomes Adolph Hitler or Charlie Chaplin. I'm still going to be me. Oh, no.

All right. So then there's an environmental theory. And this theory, you think about it, old buildings, old wiring, EMF fields, they can cause mischief effects. You know, it's not a ghost.

And I remember it was a foreplex that we went and investigated not the whole foreplex, but one apartment. One other said that she thought her closet was haunted because she felt really creepy, creeped out when she was in there. And so long story short, after investigating the Wi-Fi for the entire foreplex ran up through the back of her walls. It's like, this isn't a ghost.

This is, you're just feeling creepy from the strong EMF in your closet. So that's another part of this whole theory of trickster ghosts. So anyway, if ghosts are real, do they have the same personality as they had in life? And Castle's already kind of touched on that.

And when you think about it, what point did we call it communication instead of coincidence? And I think that's going to depend on the situation and the ghost. So I've got a question for you. What is more unsettling a screaming ghost or one that's size loudly when you walk into a room?

I think maybe the screaming ghost would be more unsettling just because is there something we can do or whatever? And it's the same thing even with a sign ghost one that's size loudly. But I think the screaming ghost for me would be a little more unsettling. I think it would be unsettling.

But if one's side loudly when I walked into the room, I think I would have a inferiority complex. I think, again, the scream would be more unsettling because A would be more startling than a sign. I think that's where lots of sides, screams are there too, but they're a little more uncommon. But it kind of makes you wonder, was the spirit being tortured?

Why is the spirit screaming what's happening? I think screams, I think just our very genetic DNA, our very base primal instincts as human beings, we hear a scream and our brains turn on the red alert, shields up kind of thing. And so I think a scream is more unsettling just by the very nature because we're just primarily wired to react to and protect ourselves from hearing a scream. I agree.

I think the best scream I've ever heard on an investigation was in the basement of the teen. It has been two years ago, three years ago maybe. It was loud. Everybody heard it.

And everyone was like, could you just hear that? And it was a little unnerving. So if you think about it, different ghosts, different personalities, why are they trying to get attention? Why are they trying to tease you?

When ghosts cooperate with you, we should think, I know I do. If we say, hey, do this, say it, knock on the wall, hey, I always say, oh, if this ghost didn't participate, he doesn't want to be trained monkey or whatever. But ghosts, for the most part, were once alive. And like us, they had hopes they had dreams, they had good days, they had bad days.

And if they take the time to sit down and communicate with us, I think they deserve a thank you. And we're going to get this back into, into Haunton, Nebraska. When we talk about places like Devil's Canyon or Hummel Park or the Hauntings, we can see some of those stricter patterns showing up again and again. Maybe not every Hauntings necessarily trauma and emotion, maybe some of it are just ghosts trying to push our buttons and trying to be silly.

So honestly, that might be the most believable after life theory after all. Who knows? That's why we, that's why we ghost hunt. On that note, what's going on with the tails?

They're delicious food that I haven't eaten at forever. Don't they have any locations that are open or upset or are they open already? So here's the down though. I have a scheduled yearly lunch with a couple friends there on January 27th and the owner's wife does my lashes and I said, so we're going to eat there on the 27th.

I said, are you in your old location or your new location? And she told me to text her the morning of so it's just, it's so close. They'll be in your location soon. Nice.

All right, let's talk about EVPs. This EVP that I'm going to play for tonight comes from the Union Station in Ogden. And this one came to mind because Raven reminded me of it at a recent investigation we did. And we were in the Union Station.

I remember us coming down some stairs. And I came down the stairs. I got a little blip on my K2 meter, just a little, just a bump. And when you hear this EVP, you're going to hear me, you're going to hear a little girls voice say, want to play.

And right as she says that, you're going to hear me say, hey, I got a little bump on my K2. I didn't hear it at the time, but the spirit that bumped the K2 is the same one who left the EVP at the exact same time. Let's take a second and let's listen to that. Let's handle K2 bump.

Let's handle K2 bump. Let's handle K2 bump. So what do you guys think of that EVP? That is one of my favorite ones.

Actually in our dead talk presentation, because I like the fact that you hear the voice and almost immediately after we hear you say, like a little bump on my K2. So it's one that I like to say, if you get a little bump on your K2 and you've got a recorder going, that's a good place to listen, because what is that bump on the K2? You know, is it a spirit touching the K2? Is it a spirit talking to it?

Who knows? So, Castle, you didn't hear the voice when you were recording originally, correct? No. And just as a side note with this also, for those who don't know the Union Station, one of the we've talked about these spirits that are seeing at these locations in Nebraska, the Union Station has many, many reports of people seeing the ghost of a little girl.

And this is clearly a little girl's voice, in my opinion, that you hear say, want to play. But yeah, I didn't hear it audibly. It was, I got caught later when I was listening to my audio. Yeah, I think that's one of the really quality EVPs that I've heard.

Drake, what are your thoughts? I'm going with it. It's, yeah, it's one of the, honestly, one of the best ones I've ever heard. Yeah, it's a favorite of mine.

So that is our, can you hear us now? EVP for Agmit? We need it. Well, whatever we want to call this a little segment.

It's a segment. We're segmenting it. Alright, so we have had two investigations since we've podcasted last. And I'm going to let Castle run with our residential because it's, it came through him.

It didn't come through the room. It came to me. It came through you. I know, I'm being a smart alec.

I do that sometimes. I do that sometimes. So I was contacted by one of the hosts of Radio Ronan. He had some friends who he would go visit regularly.

And in the process of visiting these friends, he would get these three scratches down the side of his face. Now, whenever I see three scratches down the side of someone's face, I'm usually fairly convinced right off the bat that there should be some sort of demonic something with that because that's one of those signs of demonic haunting things coming in threes. But again, it's just a sign. It doesn't mean it's guaranteed.

So he showed up at the client's home and they were honestly some of the nicest people I've ever met. They actually fed us dinner. It was amazing. But they said there's a couple of things we think.

There's a painting in the hall and it's creeped us out and we moved into the basement. And then we've had some activity in this area and they indicated a bedroom and another spot in the basement. And so we investigated and we actually broke into groups. And I was with the group downstairs and using the dowsing rods, using the equipment that we had with us, we were able to determine that there was a male spirit there from the 1800s.

But he was there because he felt unworthy to cross over and he felt unworthy because he had murdered a man. The spirit went by the name Ben. And so he was guilty because he had killed an individual and investigating and talking to the spirit, we learned that the murder, the homicide was accidental. He somebody come onto his land and he tried to threaten the person off the line with a gun, but the gun misfired and he unintentionally shot this individual.

Interestingly enough, group two was upstairs doing some investigating and they learned their spirit named David there who had been killed. So as we start comparing notes, we realized that David was the victim of Ben who had shot David. Long story short, we were able to get David crossed over and in the process we convinced Ben that it was an accident and he crossed over as well. As far as the painting went, there wasn't a attachment on the painting and the homeowners, it wasn't a negative attachment, it was just a heeby-jeev-type thing with the homedry people out.