Haunted Pennsylvania

In the dead of night as people sleep, that is when the spirits creep. As the bell tolls three dark things take power, we like to call it the supernatural hour. Hey, welcome back to the supernatural hour. I am Raven, and tonight, if you've listened, you know that we've been doing some episodes on the most haunted in certain states.

Hopefully we'll get to yours soon, but tonight we're going to take our ghostly road trip through one of the oldest and probably one of the most haunted states in the United States, and that is Pennsylvania. We have everything from penitentiaries to haunted hotels, and let's just say that Pennsylvania has been probably more than its fair share of Russell spirits. So we want you to get your EMF meters ready, make sure your charger is recorded up, and we are going to jump into the Keystone state and see what they've got going on there. But I'm not here just all by myself doing my own thing because that would be a very boring podcast.

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And any good investigator, if you've investigated for more than two days, you know about Eastern state penitentiary. We just cannot talk about Pennsylvania without talking about the Eastern state, Pennsylvania. So I have never been there, but I've seen pictures of it. And when you look at this building, it just looks haunted.

You can maybe say the architecture is going to be Gothic. It's got towers. It's got these big long stone walls and something that's just perfect for a horror novel or the backtop of a horror movie. So this building opened in the 1820s.

And it had an experiment in what they called penitent solitude. And the idea behind the penitent solitude was that complete isolation would make prisoners want to repent. If they were just a complete solitude, you can think about things. I think they call that torture now.

Right. And I get it. You get the idea behind this. It's like, okay, you're just sitting there, you're thinking about it.

I'll hear your kids all the time. You go sit in court and you think about what you did. So I get the idea behind it, but you like Chad alluded to. It just drove most of them crazy and they just went crazy.

And we get stories from guards that said that inmates would just scream through the night. And I get this to a certain degree because I am an introvert. I loved 2020. I loved having to go anywhere or doing 2020 for me.

And but even an introvert, sometimes we need some interaction. So I get this. But even now, years later, even though it's no longer in use, people still swear that they can hear people screaming in rooms and in the halls. So some other things that people say that they feel when they are walking down the halls is this reports of a heavy, almost suffocating stillness that comes across them.

Visitors here, footsteps in empty cell blocks where there is nobody to be walking. We get reports of door slamming shut, audible muffled voices. And if you've ever done EVPs or gone ghost hunting, sometimes they're very clear voices you hear. Sometimes they're muffled and you can't really understand what they're saying.

This is also where Al Capone's cell is. He served time there and reportedly spent night screaming. There was a ghost whose name was Jimmy who was supposedly one of his old victims and Al Capone just said he could see him and it just tormented him. And so he had many sleepless nights.

Even the guards said that they could hear Al Capone just begging this spirit Jimmy to leave him alone. Now, whether it was actually Jimmy, whether it was a type 3 pretending to be Jimmy, who knows, but he definitely saw something that made him uneasy and caused him a lot of unrest. We have gone investigating in some different gills and they're heavy, they're lonely, you can just feel all of the emotions in there and very few of the emotions there are good. So if we're going to be talking about as a group we went to the Rollins Frontier Prison in Wyoming.

So if you think of, oh, it has happened. So if we're thinking about these old penitentiaries, old hospitals, assignments, which I'm going to kind of lump all together just for this thought, do you think a place built entirely on isolation can trap emotions inside its walls or would you say it would be more of, how to say, just the, we're projecting the fear of being alone or the emotions of the building itself into the building. So that makes sense. What do you guys think?

I think it is 100% both. 100%. All of the emotions of the people that were in this penitentiary, they slowly went crazy and insane. And those of us that are still living, when we go there, we definitely have the fear of, or maybe even a little bit of gratitude.

Thank God we don't know what that's going to be like. It's a very, very scary thought and the people that had to live it, I absolutely do believe it's still there. I totally agree. I agree.

Yeah. So I definitely think it is cool. I would agree with you. I think there's the emotion itself or there's residual, whether it's actually physically trapped there.

And for me, I go in with just these expectations that it's going to be there. So yeah, totally agree that it's both. If you've never even been to the prison, not even district, oh, like you could go to Rawlinson and just go on the tours there. You could fill emotions that were there.

Even the worst empath out there can fill the heaviness of a prison, especially in a big prison like this penitentiary. And what people didn't want to go to go to the mud, but it's well. There's going to be a lot of the heavy emotions, even with the guards too, with the emotions that they felt with. Yeah, you're going to get a little bit of everything there.

Absolutely. I actually attest to that because I have gone on several trips to the old Montana state prison. You walk the grass where the original yard arm was, you get right up close and personal to the gas chamber and the heaviness in there is just so profound. I had many, many experiences there before I even knew that I was an impasse.

Nice. Yeah, I think the penitentiaries, the silums, all those places, there's just a really intense energy that permeates and is powerful that you just feel it. Now, from still all to open fields, let's talk Getty's word. This place has such a charged atmosphere that even skeptics tend to walk away saying something felt just plain off.

More than 50,000 soldiers died over three days of battle during the Civil War. A lot of people say when you stand in those fields, it's eerily quiet, but there's a thick weight in the air like you're standing almost inside the memory itself. People constantly report hearing cannon fire, gunshots, soldiers, shouting orders, and when they look around, they're there by themselves. Others have seen figures in full Civil War uniforms, marching in formation, right before fading right into the distant mist.

Ghost hunters have picked up EVPs of voices, giving military ranks more of that shouting orders or even answering direct questions from the living. It really is one of those places where it's hard to tell whether you're experiencing intelligent harmings or the battlefield replaying itself over and over again, almost like a record stuck on Infinite Loop. There has been a lot of coverage of Gettysburg in the past and there continues to be more and more coverage, I think, because the experience there is just so profound. Here's my thought though.

Are we hearing echoes of the past? Are these soldiers still fighting a battle that maybe they don't realize has ended so long ago? What do you guys think? So honestly, this is one of my bucket list places to go.

This is a place I want to say. I was going to say this is my number one bucket list. My number one, all the world, Gettysburg, number one. Absolutely.

I might have to make it number two because I really want to go do the, what is it called, the under the bridge in Edinburgh, the vaults. Oh, okay. Yeah. But Gettysburg, I don't know, maybe a tie.

It might be a tie. But I'm going to say both. I bet you that there are echoes from the past. I bet you there are Riza Joel-Haunts here.

But I do think that there are soldiers still there, whether they realize that they, or don't realize that they're no longer in a battle, whether they're there or they're consciously, I think you're going to get both. And I think some of the coolest ghost stories I've ever heard have come from Gettysburg. Yeah, we did a podcast on this. It's been two or three years back about civil war ghosts.

And Gettysburg was one of the hotspots that we talked about for civil war ghosts. It was a really good episode. So if you're looking for something to listen to after this, slide down through our events paranormal.com where we have our supernatural hour episodes and slide down a ways and you can find civil war ghosts. So quite an interesting episode primarily focused on Gettysburg.

I think they're probably my favorite ghost videos to watch on YouTube is the ones that Gettysburg can just like, I believe that most of them could be accurate. And it also plays in the stone tape theory where they really have the same day over and over again. And I'm not sure. Gettysburg is just amazing.

I think they're still thinking they're fighting battle because I don't know if they knew what I'd actually want or not. I mean, they're still fighting because they want to win. So we've talked about even as recently as our last podcast, just the energy that an emotion that's going to be in a war. And that was one of, if not the most horrific battles of the civil war.

This civil war, Brother Egan's brothers, you put family in there on top of everything else. And the emotion and the heartache and everything, every emotion that was there just had to be through the roof. So I have no doubt that the spirits that are there are just going to be more intense and probably most places. Definitely and 50,000.

That's five, zero, thousand soldiers died at Gettysburg. I have a lot of trouble believing that there would be no memory in those hollowed grounds at all. I don't think that's possible to be honest. Yeah, and you take that number of 50,000 and you think the World Trade Center, there was approximately 2,000 people that died there and Pearl Harbor, 2,500 people died there.

50,000. It's a magnitude of times higher and horrific. You think of even when you got shot, oftentimes it wasn't fatal immediately. You get shot, you get infected, you die out days later after days and days of anguish.

Banette charges being bayoneted. This is just some horrific, not quick deaths in many, many cases. There are the, yeah, I got hit by cannonball. I'm sure that one's pretty quick too.

But there's lots and lots of just prolonged suffering and agony where that intensity and that energy, I'm sure just gets imprinted into the areas. And Gettysburg, that land itself is not that big. I think that 50,000 died on this small sub-lend. No, I forgot how many acres.

I did a report on Gettysburg, you can remember that. But the land's not that big for 50,000 to die on. It's like, where were they all standing? Yeah, just like.

Everywhere. Every much we were standing is basically someone's blood was built there. So, wow. All right.

So we're going to go from super sad to let's have some fun. Yay. So I'm talking about, I know, I'm talking about, I get to fun stuff, people. Yay.

Hotel Bethlehem and where the friendly ghosts of Main Street meet. Okay. So not every haunting is going to be scary. Not every ghost hunt is going to be all type threes.

And this hotel is absolutely perfect for that. You need to look it up on mine. It's a beautiful hotel. And it's been around since the early 1900s.

But the land that it sits on has been home to different homes and inns and taverns from the 1700s. It was before America was officially America people. But it doesn't just have ghosts, it has personalities. Guests have recorded being a woman in the 1920s downcoming near a ballroom.

And they believe this is Mae Yo-e, the famous local actress who appeared, apparently, a little place so much, she decided not to leave. Now, if you recognize the staying, Mae Yo-e, she also was one of the first of people, or unfortunate people, to be an owner of the Hope Diamond. So maybe when you see her, she has a Hope Diamond honor. So she said that even sometimes, I remember hearing about her, that she was so rich that sometimes she would let her dog wear it as a collar.

Oh, wow. You have to give it to your dog. That was the luckiest dog of all. Wow.

That was the bluetooth dog that has ever walked through her right there. And she was so boozy, she also wore the Hope Diamond with rap. It's plural in the world. She also owned that at one point.

So I'm just like, dude, this actress. So if you see her at this hotel Bethlehem, let me know what she's wearing. There's also a little girl who likes to play tricks, always laughing in the hallway. They've been tugging in people's sleeves when there's no one else there.

So the other thing that happens, a lot of light splicker, music plays softly from empty rooms. And sometimes the staff squares they see faces reflected in mirrors that aren't their own. Someone who was a hotel maid. I don't need to hear that.

My very first job is a hotel maid. I can guarantee you, there's a lot of crazy stuff that happens in hotel rooms and it all starts to work. So when I was down at SUU going to school down there, that was my job was as a hotel maid. And I tell you what, when the shower curtain was closed, when I walked in the bathroom, I remember thinking, please don't be a dead body in the shower.

Please don't. I was talking to you for like, if there's a body, please not be naked. So you know how I feel. So I mean, if you look at this place, it is absolutely gorgeous.

I'm like, that's what it is. One of the few states I think it's one of the six states I've never been in. But I would love to stay here for sure. Because this is a place that totally embraces the hotiness and the culture and the beauty of it.

And even the hotel staff talk openly about their ghost and they celebrate it as part of the charm. I'm like, well, they sold me on it. So what do you think some spirits are happy and playful like this one by others like Gettysburg or angry and lost? Do you think they had energy to choose to linger in a place that's happy for them or said for them?

So what do you guys think? I do think that we have our agency. And I think when we pass, we can choose to stay or we can choose to pass on. And I think some people might be in a place where they think, hey, this is pretty good place.

Let's stay here for a while. And it can be a happier, joyous thing where it can be something where people stay in a place or they're not moving on because they feel that there's some unfinished business. But I think a place like this might be a place where people think, wow, this is nice. And I want to stay here for a while.

Like Chad said, I think it depends on your personality. But if you think about it, the heaviness that Gettysburg is going to be heavy because it was war and there was death, hunger and infection and all that. Whereas at this hotel, it's vacation. And you've got a child who's playing tricks on guests and why she's playing tricks on guests.

Why is she here? Why does she remain there? Does she not realize that she's passed? Maybe she just keeps doing what she's been doing her whole life.

She can't leave it. She's got a dog with the hope diamond on it. Exactly. Exactly.

Definitely. But I'm just going to say, I think it depends a lot on personality and a lot on just simply circumstance. Why are there where you are? Yeah, another place you're not going to have very positive vibes like that cool hotel would be the Pennhurst Asylum, the Shadows of Neglect.

Now this is one of those. It's because we're happy. Yeah. Shadows of Neglect.

Cool hotel or the Pennhurst Asylum. It's like a daycare for clown. Yeah, it isn't just haunted. It's heavy.

You feel at the second you step inside, it opened in the early 1900s as an institution for people with disabilities. And we would have called that different things a number of years ago. Local illnesses, psychiatric disorders, all sorts of things. But over time it became overcrowded, understaffed and cruel.

When it shut down, investigators started flooding in and stories about what came out there were heartbreaking. Lots and lots of very terrible things happen. And that's unfortunate because there needs to be places where people that have these types of disabilities need to be. But it doesn't need to be cruel.

And sometimes I think staff gets overworked and things like that. Things can break down. It's just very, very difficult. So people still hear screams echoing throughout the empty wards.

Children crying, softwares is pleading for help. As a spirit, people call Emily, a little girl who likes to roll balls back to investigators. Others have heard clear EVP saying things like don't hurt me or please stay. The energy there feels sad, not malevolent, just filled with pain.

When you walk through, you see old wheelchairs, crumbly hallways and even patient records still scattered around. It's like time just stopped when the door is closed. But that raises a tough question. When we investigate places like this, are we actually reaching human spirits who are still suffering or are we just encountering emotional echoes that never had a chance to fade?

What are you guys thoughts on that? Take with a place like this, someone's lingering around it. I think they're trying to find answers to their own health. Like once they pass away, I don't know if they realize that was their cure is death.

And so I would like to think that maybe they're lingering around just to see if anything better came about or maybe they still just start thinking, well, I just woke up from this nap. I've still got to go through this horrible nightmare of living in my infected head or whatever. It's just down very sad. Yeah, you would hope that they eventually realize that the cure is to pass over, is to go to the light and do that.

But they may be in such a state and such a funk that they're not able to recognize that. Raven, what were you thinking? There's so many answers. I do think that we are reaching some human spirits who were actually there and still suffering.

I think many who passed away there crossed over, I think many state for whatever reason. I also think that there could be some residual echoes, some residual hauntings where there's a place like this that's going to be so heavy. And again, a lot of emotions that aren't necessarily good. And then I think when you get those heavy places, and I'm going to take this back even to the penitentiaries, I think that that negative energy is going to attract.

Other negative spirits, like we talked about with the skeleton cathedral, people want to hang out together, birds of a feather as it were. And you get a place like this, you've got a negative nasty spirit wandering around and it's like, oh, hey, I've got this place where there's a lot of negative energy. I feel comfortable here. So I think we could even run into spirits who never actually were there.

They've just decided to go hang there. And what about all of the people back in those days, you could get committed for almost anything it seemed like. And then I thought about all of the people that maybe didn't have a mental illness, somebody like me would not have had a prayer because back in the day you could get committed for talking back to your husband. I wouldn't have asked him.

Really? That can happen? Well, I was born here. Sometimes, but I was born in the love era, but then I looked back on things like that.

And I would definitely just say we're not for sure. But what about those people? I, for one, would be so angry. How do you find closure in that if you die in a place like that, nothing was actually wrong?

That would be extremely frustrating. Any emotions there just, I can't even imagine that. So on things that we can't imagine, I want you to think about death chairs. Listen, that sounds exciting.

No, no, but we're going to talk about it. So there is a place in Pennsylvania called Chestnut Hill and there is a mansion there called the Ballroy Mansion. And honestly, again, look at this on Google. It looks something like straight out of a film and beautiful.

So I want you to imagine this. Chandeliers, the big heavy guilt framed portraits, antique furniture, and just beautiful. But you're going to look at all that opulence and all the elegance of this mansion and underneath it is just really a strange and creepy story. Pennsylvania, wow, you just got, you did yourself here.

So this mansion, it's just got energy. And it was owned by a family called the Easebees and they swore it was haunted. So some of the things that they would claim, they would see apparitions. And one of these apparitions that they claim to see was a phantom monk that would just appear in the hallways, which kind of leads me to wonders that a monk would just happen in.

Is it a type three that's appearing as a monk? Or is there something else happening here before this mansion? Who knows? But there is the famous death chair.

So the famous death chair, actually, with the blue wing back chair. And the idea behind it is anyone who sits in it dies. So they say that four people who sat in it actually died shortly afterwards. And visitors today say that even when they get near it, they get dizzy or nauseous.

So this house is just packed with antique mirrors. It's got anti-clock. It's got all sorts of heirlooms, all sorts of things that we would call trigger objects, items that can hold energy from the past. So you were pretty sure it's not just one spirit haunting, the whole place is just buzzing with activity.

And now, is this the chair? Does they have this chair, if I remember right, because so many people have gotten sick and injured or whatever. Have they been up closer to the wall, closer to the ceiling? So people can look at it.

That might be in the place, right? So I think the one we're thinking of where it's hanging up on the wall is actually in England. I don't think it's this one. Oh, OK.

But for insurance purposes, if I own this chair or this house, I would be hanging it on the wall so that people didn't sit. Not that right. So we've talked a lot about cursed objects. And if you've ever come to one of our dead talks, we actually briefly talk about cursed objects.

So the question I want to throw out to listeners, because I think, and I'm going to speak for the whole group here, if you guys don't agree, you can jump in. We or I believe that objects can actually carry curses and attachments. But how much of our giving belief to that adds to that? Does that make sense?

Does this chair actually burst? Or is it something that we just haven't had so much that it is, that it's a psychological thing? I think if you put more energy into it, a lot of natives believe that everything has a spirit. And at the more energy you put into it, the more a lie that becomes, you think about it.

So the more that you put into believing that these are cursed objects, the more energy it has, it definitely has a potential of being more of what people think it is than what it originally was. I look at people that come on investigations. Most of the people that come on our investigation is just come on the investigation, even if they've never investigated before. And we have a great time.

Every once in a while, we will have a person that will come on the investigation and they get so worked up over being scared that they get scared and they have an attack. And whether or not it's in their head, whether or not spirits that are going to do that and hack on someone, he says, I'm going to get you because you're afraid. Who knows? But I think that the objects can actually have a curse.

I think they can definitely be cursed. But I do think that as individuals, we can put more emphasis on that than might actually be there. Oh, yeah. Words have power.

There have been studies done with house plants, for example. You take one house plant, you speak to it positively, you take another house plant, you speak to it negatively, which one thrives? The one that received the positive affirmations. It's all about how you talk to yourself.

It's manifesting is so important. Words have so much power. I do agree that objects definitely carry curses. I think we magnify it.

We magnify it because our words definitely have power. And just for the record, the plants that live in my house, they don't care about words about information. They're like, if that lady would just water us, we would do so much better. I think plants live in the house, why?

I think you've reminded me. It is what I have a water mine thing. In my house, it's called a walking Wednesday. So when I was younger, I tried to have plants in my room and they always died and so my mother bought me a cactus thinking that that would thrive with my no watering.

No, I killed those two. So don't give me plants. I'm not good with them. I can either.

I drown bamboo. Tell me, how do you drown? I figured it out. My brain glitched for a second.

Hellstorm did what? I drown bamboo. I bothered it too much. I literally drowned bamboo, which thrives in water.

Don't ask me how I did it. Maybe you should have given it more positive affirmations. You like excessive amounts of water. I love you.

You don't grow up in called bamboo. Sorry. Oh, the fun we have. So again, thank you.

I get another fun one. Let's bring it back to the positivity. Okay. Well, so much.

It's called a Java name, tavern. Not her. I figured you're thinking of it, but it is it's a huge, absolutely rustic little tavern in Bedford. It's been around since 1750 and it is still running.

Dude, that's awesome. That is very impressive. That is very impressive. Yeah.

All right. Yeah, it's an old stone building and it has seen everything think about it from the Breville Dictionary War. Our chair travelers just stopping to get a drink and do some trades and it's placed in the pictures and you're like, it smells like history. That's right there, man.

You could just smell like that. It just smells like the old books in libraries and the dirt on the stones. It just looks absolutely beautiful. I love it.

The staff say they hear footsteps of a second floor when there's no one there. Scares moving across wooden floors and doors opening and closing in time to time. And you guys have seen a man in colonial clothing sit quietly at a bar staring into a glass that isn't there. Oh, just get the guy drink, you know, right?

And during the renovations, they found some human remains there. Yeah, so someone met and unfortunate in there many, many years ago. Well, hopefully many, many years ago, hopefully it's not fresh. Even with that energy is dark.

It feels like spirit. They're just wanting to hang out there when they're the happiest and they have green act. So happy fun to go see it. Maybe they're just attached to the laughter to the music in the street of the place, you know, or maybe that poor guy just like giving my bones back now.

Right? What do you think? Why do spirits hang around because they love a place or just can't move away from it? It sounds like a fun place.

I mean, if I was dead, I would be hanging out in the graveyard. It sounds like this would be a fun place to hang out at. I can see spirits passing out dying and not wanting to cross over for whatever reason and just wanting to go hang out where they were comfortable, where they had a good time, where they knew people. And maybe there's something that can't move on.

Maybe there are some that are confused and they're there and they just can't get it together. But for me, I think it's- Well, they've seen us right after us. I'm like, hey, this is my buddy, now it's treating me. Absolutely.

Absolutely. I think people like something familiar. And when I have visited someplace before, for example, Chad and I went to Hawaii for a nephew's wedding. And I had been there not too long ago and found this really fun little restaurant.

And so when we were there, I told them I said, we have to find this little restaurant. It was so good. It was so cute and the people were so nice. And it just happened to be within walking distance of our hotel.

We were actually walking to the beach and I just looked over, not even looking for this little restaurant. And there it was. And so we went like, oh, you got to come to their restaurant. It was so good.

So I think people like things that are familiar. Well, yeah, for sure. And we just did a dead talk at a library with spirits that have been documented there that like it because of the library. So why if we can choose where to go in life, why couldn't we choose where to go in death, right?

Absolutely. And as a side note, I believe I'm going to the same island in Hawaii that you went to and you mean to get me the name of that restaurant. Oh, you're going to a while who this one was on the wall? I think you're going to go.

Oh, I am going to fly. Okay. Why is my when I think of paradise, I think it's quite my favorite spot on earth. Love it.

Coi is beautiful. My bar is set at Bermuda. So I guess we'll have to see. All right, speaking of fun places, if Gettybird isn't haunted enough during the day, the farm's worth house in will make sure it makes up for your experience during the nighttime.

This in dates back to 1810 and still has bullet holes in its walls from the battle, if you can believe that. It actually served as a hideout for Confederate sharpshooters and that attic is reportedly still one of the most haunted active parts of the building. I think that's not if it's not working up pictures. And even if you come forward the battle safe for the farm's worth house and it looks gorgeous.

If I could choose where I go in the afterlife, it's going to be this house right here. Guess who see there? See the here boots pacing overhead and whispering voices in the walls. Now that's a trick I want to learn in my afterlife.

I want to sound like I'm in the stone wall. I'm not going to lie. I want there to be no possible explanation as to how my voice got in this foot thick stone wall. That's where I'm going to learn all of these tricks in my afterlife.

I'm not going anywhere until I know it all right. Some have woken to find the imprint of someone sitting on their bed when no one is there. That's all creepy. Who sweeps that deep?

If somebody living or dead sat on my bed with me, I would be awake. I don't sleep very deep though. Maybe it's just me. Now down in the basement because we all love a good haunted basement, right?

So we have to completely different as far as hauntings go. There's laughter, singing, and children playing goofing off down there. And that is believed to be civilians who hid down there during the battles. So that's kind of a term.

Right. It's normally the other way around, isn't it? Normally the darker stuff is in the basement, the nicer stuff is all topsy-turvy. It's kind of like quartz brides.

The stuff on top is black and white, but under the ground it's all bright and beautiful. Yes, exactly. What's fascinating to me about Farnsworth is that they don't shy away from the activity in their building. Doesn't it make you wonder about this place also?

Are spirits anchored or stuck in one spot like the sharpshooters in the attic? Why is it that some stay in one spot while others seem to roam freely throughout a whole building? And I know we've seen this in person recently as well. What are your thoughts on that?

I've got two thoughts. First of all, if you're listening to this podcast and you have a haunted building, be like the Farnsworth owners and don't be skittish about it. They run ghost tours and have guests come. Let us do that too, please.

Let us do that first. Right? But I think as we investigate, I tell people ghosts can be very territorial and some of them just stay in the same spot. And others roam around and honestly, I don't have a definitive answer for that.

I don't know if some just feel comfortable in another spot. I don't know. We could really delve deep in. This could be its own podcast.

Or some stuck in one place because they have to be stuck there. Are they there for a reason? Is there a spirit keeping them there? Is there a higher power that's like you were bad?

You have to stay here in this corner? Is it because they choose to be there? Because it's more comfortable for them. Maybe they're introvert ghosts and they don't want to get out.

The ones that can roam around freely, are they spiritually more free to do that because of how they live their life? Is it because they're more extroverted and they don't care? I don't know. That's a very interesting thing.

We should do a whole episode on just that. And I think I'm going to start calling it the library theory because that really resonated with me that the spirit in this, it was a Carnegie library, wasn't it? Yes. Yes.

That they love to read in life. And so that's where they feel most comfortable spending their afterlife. I'm going to call out the library theory for now on. Thanks.

Last on the list is the Hillview Manor in Newcastle. It started as a poor house and later became a nursing home, which means it's thousands of people come through its doors, many of whom never left. But unlike Pinehurst, the energy at the Hillview Manor feels strangely peaceful and almost comforting. People who visit the Hillview Manor, described seeing shadows, people around corners, lights turning on by themselves and hearing soft laughter or humming.

There's a spirit named Mary who's becoming a celebrity there. She supposedly hums lullabies and interacts with investigators through flashlights and motion sensors. I've seen an old man pacing the hallways like he's waiting for someone to visit. Hillview feels like a place where compassion and grief have blended together.

It's sad, but it's not dark. It's more like these spirits are just continuing their teens. Still part of the home that they knew. And this is interesting because you look at this and it's like a poor house in a nursing home and yet it seems that there was love and there was caring at this place where like at the Pinehurst Asylum, it seems like there was abuse and discare and it's amazing the intent of the venue and how things are.

And we see this with a number of the venues that we investigate here where the entities and spirits that are there will have some that seem a little more dark than others, but we don't really have any that are really evil or really, really bad. But some of them are a little more of that light-hearted area. For example, even the investigation we just did at the Jewish theaters, there's some areas in the theater where there are some spirits that are more playful and interactive and then there's others that are more grumpy. Just interesting.

What are you guys' thoughts on that? I'm going to go back to when we were talking about Gettysburg and the Asylum. I think it has a lot to do with what went on there and just the energy of the place. You get it at the Gettysburg.

You're not going to have real fun, playful energy there simply because all of the heaviness and emotions from the battle, 50,000 people, that's going to overshadow it. Whereas you get a nursing home where you've got caretakers there taking care of people end of life and being very caring, very giving, family that come to visit are laughing with their loved one knowing that they're probably going to pass soon and they're sharing stories and you've got family coming together. I think there's a lot to do with any hunting, just the energy of what happened there in life. I would like to go back for Mary because I suffered from insomnia.

I was like, Mary, can you sing me a lullaby? Maybe I could go to sleep. Can you rent out ghosts? I think I'd like that.

I'd like to go to sleep. I'd like to go to sleep. I'd like to go back for Mary because I'm singing a lullaby because maybe that's an off-farm. Maybe we could start a new business.

Rent a ghost. What do you need? You need change, you're outling in the kitchen. Do you need a song song?

Do you need your bed tucked in? That's not good. Or do you need to cover people off? That seems to be a favorite.

I need a dishwashing ghost. I need one to go by the way. I would forget it's in the dryer. Go to the dryer and put it away.

That's all you've got. I'd like to re-wash laundry two and three times. Then you forget about it. I have been sitting back this week.

Someone washed dark this week. Yes, I did. About four days ago. It smells like it needs to be re-washed.

One of my talks, so let's wrap up Pennsylvania's haunted history. As we've been discussing this, I really get the feeling it's not just about ghosts, but it's about stories and energy. Things that happen there. Then you.

Yes, we've talked about war. We've talked about solitary confinement. We've talked about fear and fame. It doesn't matter what state you're in.

We focused on Pennsylvania, but every haunted place is going to tell a story. Every place we've talked about has told a little bit of Pennsylvania's past and a little bit of what it's made up of. Obviously, it's not going to be made up just of these. Obviously, there's going to be a lot more haunted places than these.

As we think about the places that we investigate, any places that you visit as a museum or a vacation, spirits are always going to remind us that the past is never quite as far behind us as we think. We're just going to give a little shout out to Radio Ronin, who we are part of the Radio Ronin Network and they are fantastic people. I know Hillsborough-Moo have actually followed Radio Ronin for quite a while. I've been with them since day one or maybe the second week.

I don't know. So, that's been for a while. I've seen the history of them. I remember listening to the morning show back in the day.

I don't know if we can call it out. But there was the morning show on the radio and I remember listening to that, driving to and from work. Like Castle said in our last podcast, Radio Ronin is basically listening to a radio show, but just having the fun radio show stuff and not the ads and the stuff that interrupts it. Alright, so just a little shout out to Wild Thistle, which was formerly known as the family treat.

Go and get you some lunch there one of these days. Very, very good food. Very fantastic people. We really appreciate it.

I know. It's not so good in there. I know. And it's so comfy.

I mean, if you're ready, you just want to go and smell. Get yourself a sandwich and drink and just get in one of their squishy little couches or cushions and just enjoy your afternoon. Especially now when it's all raining and drizzling. Oh my gosh.

Let's go there. I thought it would take you and it looks delicious. Yeah, it feels like you entered a fairy house. Everything is just so beautiful and so warm and welcoming and lively.

I love it. And it smells again. It smells like absolutely. Now Drake usually tells us about a piece of information, but a piece of information.

A piece of information that he said. Give him a minute. I mean, he knew what we're talking about. I'm talking about some information about a piece of equipment that's on my brainworks.

So there you go. But he is not here today. So Z, will you just take a couple minutes and tell us about one of your favorite pieces of equipment. Oh, all right.

Well, let's narrow this down a little bit. Would you like a favorite that I own or a favorite that I've seen work that is on my list of things. You pick. Okay.

Let's talk about the empath spirit communicator device. I was really hoping I would be able to have it sent to me before I go up to good. I go on Friday. That unfortunately has not happened with that.

Okay. I'm going to talk about the empath spirit communicator is by a company called relatively paranormal. You can visit their website relatively paranormal.com. I just happened to love them.

My favorite on my bucket list to purchase is the empath spirit communicator device. It is a little black, almost round device. It has a light at the top three lights underneath a switch. It is similar to an oveless device.

It has a word bank of almost infinite words. It seems like I don't think I've used 2,000 words in my life. I'm very big going. I'm really sometimes it has so many different modes, including how are you feeling?

Tell me about you. What do I need to know? And these what I like about these modes is that out of this giant word bank, it helps narrow down words for spirits to choose from. The other thing I like is there is a mode where the spirit that you're communicating with can choose the subject.

They can choose how are you feeling? They can choose to answer only yes or no questions. The other mode that I really like is the environmental sensor mode. This device has all kinds of sensors.

It has almost a REM pod capabilities all wrapped in this little device. And in this mode, you can see on the screen where the words wouldn't pop up the different readings of the different sensors, which I think is so cool. I have seen the very first time I saw this device in action was with two of our other members. They have one and we were at a 549 right before we joined the team as a matter of fact.

And they gave us a rundown of all the different modes and it has definitely been a huge bucket list item for me. Awesome. I'm going to have to look into it because it sounds really cool. Yeah, you can get like the bear box and the REM pods together.

That's awesome. Yeah, I think that's one thing I like about it. It's like a two for. It's like a seven for really.

It has sensors include E enough, which just about any device you can buy will have nowadays. It has a barometric air pressure sensor magnetic pull shift ambient temperature, which is really good because studies are showing within the paranormal research community that spirits can and do influence all of these things around us. Absolutely. And it's pretty small.

So it's really easy to take with you. Nice. I like small. It's amazing how big I don't use my LS sometimes because it's just too big.

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Pretty darn cool. So if you remember our last podcast where we talked about the said that castle said like, I was in the sanctuary that the cathedral made of bones and I said I had a junk door, but then I had to do something else because I found out about the dowsing rods might be able to find people. So we're going to go back to this other junk door that I had ready and we're just going to call it the bone collectors curse because that's basically what it is. So it was in the early 2000s.

There's a British tourist and he went to Palermo Italy and he went through the Kepuchin catacombs. And this is, it's a lot like the catacombs in Paris. It's just a crypt that is bone lined and it holds thousands and thousands of mummified monks. So he's looking around and at one point he pocketed what he thought was a small piece of plaster near one of the coffins.

Yeah, he caught a big plaster. I'm in a room full of bones and I'm going to take home what I think a piece of plaster. Yeah, we got some talking to do pretty short. The jury calls BS on that.

Right. So when he got home, however, this little piece of plaster started showing up in different rooms. First he saw it on the kitchen table, then a few nights later it was on his nightstand and one day he gets in the car and there it is on the dashboard. Well, after that different things start happening.

So he starts hearing footsteps in this hallway at night. And not just regular footsteps. These are more like slow shuffling footsteps. And the way he describes it would be more like someone wearing ropes or maybe a monk.

He would hear classical things like doors creaking open. Then he would start to smell the incense. And soon he started feeling more of a smell of decay. So he went for three sleepless nights.

And finally he's like, it's got to be this piece of plaster. And you use my air quotes piece of plaster. He said it back to the point. And he said a letter of apologies like, wow, I'm sorry, I took this.

And as soon as the package was delivered, the honking's not. And the funny thing, there's a curator that if you talk to the catacombs and he said that they receive packages like this every year. He's like, this is not a one off sort of thing. There's always people sending back bits of bone pieces of cloth, dust.

And they say we brought something home with us that they shouldn't have. So don't take that. That's not yours. You know what that reminds me of Robert the doll.

Yes. You cannot even take a picture of him without suffering the consequences unless you expressly ask his permission. Now, this isn't me saying ask permission to take a legend plaster from these patacombs. That's not what this is.