Have We Gone Too Far on Free Trade?

Free trade has long been a cornerstone of economic thinking, but is it still fit for purpose in a more dangerous and uncertain world? Gene Tunny is joined by Dan Ryan and John Humphreys to debate tariffs, industrial policy, and economic resilience. They explore whether Australia has gone too far in opening its economy, the risks of fragile global supply chains, and the perceived trade-offs between efficiency and national security.  Dan Ryan is Executive Director of the National Conservative Institute of Australia, and John Humphreys is Chief Economist at the Australian Taxpayers’ Alliance.  Gene would love to hear your thoughts on this episode. You can email him via [email protected].  Takeaways Free trade generally boosts living standards but may also introduce vulnerabilities in a geopolitically unstable world. Tariffs can protect domestic industries, but they also raise prices and risk economic inefficiency. Supply chain resilience is emerging as a key policy concern, alongside cost efficiency. Deindustrialisation is driven not just by trade, but also by automation and energy costs. There may be a middle ground: limited, targeted trade restrictions for national security rather than broad protectionism. Timestamps 00:00 – Introduction: Free trade under pressure 02:45 – Why Australia lost refining capacity 03:40 – Supply chains and geopolitical risk 05:40 – What does “cheapest” really mean? 07:30 – Do tariffs encourage local production? 10:35 – Automation vs trade in deindustrialisation 13:05 – Energy costs and competitiveness 15:15 – Is reindustrialisation realistic? 18:15 – What tariffs would actually look like 20:30 – Dan’s case for a 10% tariff baseline 22:15 – Can tariffs replace income taxes? 25:10 – Historical tariffs in Australia 27:30 – Are tariffs just another tax? 28:25 – Would tariffs really bring jobs back? 30:50 – Technology vs trade: what matters more? 33:15 – Tariffs, revenue, and economic trade-offs 36:00 – Final reflections: trade vs national security Links relevant to the conversation Australian Taxpayers’ Alliance livestream, Thursday 16 April: https://www.youtube.com/live/fyukScFysDs?si=FwDjygolodDUQVRz Lumo Coffee promotion 10% of Lumo Coffee’s Seriously Healthy Organic Coffee. Website: https://www.lumocoffee.com/10EXPLORED Promo code: 10EXPLORED