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Welcome to the best-hang. Mike, we got Max. We got Shane Fellas. What's going on on this fine day?
Lots is happening. What? I just got back from Vancouver. Oh, we know.
You stole our direct-action. We got a strict rule. Mark, just while we're shooting the show, don't get sucked into Max's vortex and shoot a bunch of our Kels videos. He looked me straight in the eye and goes, I promise.
I won't. I can't. I cannot be overwhelmed like that. Find out.
He's not only just shot one music video. He shot three music videos in two days in Vancouver. Yeah. Well, the problem is that the song that we're doing in Vancouver is with Tegan and Sarah.
Probably a couple months ago, Tegan and Sarah's manager, Christine, who's lovely reached out saying, we want to shoot a video in Canada. Christine's American. Do you got any suggestions for directors that we're trying to make a bunch of stuff. We're not trying to spend a ton of money.
We're on an indie label now. This is the new generation of music. We just want to make great-looking content. We're like, oh, we have the perfect guy.
Mark Myers. He does literally everything, and you don't have to pay him anything. He's the greatest. Go on, geez.
And so, and Tegan and Sarah, and I getting another little bit. They're like us. We're like them. In terms of their very scrappy.
They hustle. They have so many projects on the go. They hang out with them. They make me feel so lazy.
It's like they have a TV show about their teenage years coming out on Amazon. And it'll be premiering at TIFF. They're pitching like a documentary. They're pitching their new record comes out in October.
They're pitching a TV. Like they're writing a book. They have a podcast. They have so many things on the go.
And they are so completely dialed in on every single one. So when they got their hands on Mark, they realized they could have used Mark in the way that we have used Mark. They're like, oh, this guy will just do whatever it takes to be excellent. And they sent him the nicest note.
It was actually kind of sweet. Like the next morning. So we filmed really late on Monday night at a mall. Not to get too much away with music video with the song that we have together.
But the next morning, Tegan went out of her way to send each one of us separately, like a long paragraph thanking us for our collaboration. So not only are they hardworking. They're also very gracious. But sorry to answer your question.
Yes, they stole Mark not only for the R. Kels Tegan Sarah song, but they were they banged out two more videos in the span of 48 hours. So yes, Mark, Mark is running on no sleep. I was sharing a room with Mark in Vancouver.
And we probably got back to the hotel at 2 30 and he had to wake up at like 6 a.m. to take like an hour and a half zoom call with you guys. So we're all working. Mark really, really hard right now.
Yeah, I don't like it. That's not good. I'm up. Yeah.
No, we need Mark. Are you not going to take away for anything else? Because he can't say no. I know.
I know. It's the free it's the burden of the freelance artist, because the worry is you find someone else like you say no to a project, then you find someone else who somehow even more accessible than Mark, and then you just use them forever. Yeah, well, he didn't get to do the the the wheel for today video because he was unavailable. He probably feels so shitty about that.
Right? Like Mark, like he normally would do he would have come down to LA and do that video, but he was busy. And unfortunately, you know, Unzi did it and Unzi's the best and Mark did edit the video. So he was still involved.
But yeah, you're right. That is the burden of the freelance artist who you like. Yeah, are uns worth their mires. I love them both.
But I will say I'm both because you just said Unsworth is the best. No, I mean, Mark, if he's listening, might take offense. Unzi's the best, um, best hang, you know, and very talented. Even worse.
Yeah. No, but you know, hard. No, he's just got a better personality. Um, but yeah, anyway, how do you guys hold it up with Mark?
Yeah, when I got on the zoom call, you guys were just like talking about a lot of meeting how Mark wouldn't shut the fuck up trying to explain things and what he needs to do. Right. I don't know. You might be paraphrasing there, but yeah, I just had a meeting with him and he fell asleep in the middle of me.
He just closed his eyes and built. I was, I bought like he got in from Vancouver and we had to go over a bunch of stuff for these sketches that are starting early next week. And so he called me, he got home and then we ended up on the phone like till about one 30 or two in the morning after he like got in just because I don't know when we're gonna have time to do it again. But the first thing I asked him before we even got down to sort of what we were there to talk about was like, how are you doing?
This is a lot. It's overwhelming mentally to try and maintain your creativity, but then also deliver on like a technical level and over a million things. And yeah, it's just a lot for a person's brain. And the thing is his ability to pull it off his sort of capacity is bandwidth is incredible.
But yeah, even like, yeah, Mark has a limit. So sometimes I'm just like, how are you doing before we even talk about work? Like I will say this though, in our hotel room, he was just like, Hey, Max, I never got a chance to say thank you. I thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.
I'm like, what's up? And he's like, you told me quit Shopify quit Shopify quit Shopify. And now we're here in Vancouver making videos doing the TV show with our friends. It's the best.
So as much as it's crazy for him right now, we're doing him a favor by keeping him busy. So we're the good guys here. Right. Yeah.
The other thing is he must have been so tired because on the plane home yesterday, it was like the craziest fucking turbulence, like top five of all time of like, I just kill my just kill me right now. Like, well, I hate this so much. I turn around. Mark is sleeping.
He's like completely knocked out. He's completely unbathered by the turbulence. That's how tired he must have been to not be awake for this terrible thing that we're all going through. Well, Mark considers himself to be a robot.
I'm not sure if a lot of people know that, but he likes to think the way a robot thinks and that nothing can sway him in a frustrated direction and he likes to just complete tasks. So there's been times where I've spoken to him and like, can you handle this? He's like, I'm a robot. I like to think I'm a robot.
So yeah, so that's a bit of his ethos that helps him push through trying times and potentially maybe even help him sleep during extreme turbulence. Okay, I don't know this out of school and maybe we'll have to delete this, but I made Mark send me the note that Tegan sent to him because I just thought it was so sweet. I can't read it. Comparing.
Thank you. You're pulling it. You're pulling at Tony Hopkins. You're pulling like, you're pulling a breaking bad set.
Anthony Hopkins moment right now from the last podcast. Wow, with the caveat that we can always edit it out. So my curiosity is peak. Yeah, you're like, go go, man.
There's skinny Pete from the breaking bad guys right now. Let's let's hear it. Break it out. Okay.
The first pair, the first sentence is all capital letters. Thank you for making three videos happen in two days. Mark, you're truly some sort of AI genius. And I'm so glad we were introduced to you yesterday was tough, but also such a blast.
I cannot wait to see all three videos. And I just feel incredibly grateful to have your creative curiosity and technical skills attached to this record. It's such a special one, although there will be no compensation. It's the creative work.
No, no, no. It's such a special one for us. And the reintroduction of our band to the world is in part going so well because of your visual contributions to the music. We tease you a lot, but your investment in explaining and supporting the process is so meaningful.
In 20 years, I don't think we've ever had a director like you truly safe travels today and thank you again so much. What I know is the best. Yeah, that's pretty good. No, pretty good.
No. So do you want me to remind? What's your note? Like, now I'm curious, what are you saying?
Same thing. Some words replaced. No, I think that's a good one. But yeah, we had a really good time in Vancouver.
But Max, I got a question with your note better worse than that. Sorry. No, no, answer, Max's. You're better worse.
That's what we're with the couple. I think Mark might have had the top note. I mean, they're all very excellent notes, but Mark, but also Mark did the most for them too. So I get it.
What's your question? My question is, this is also like, everything's connected. Max, you're an executive producer on this sketch show, right? So my question is, as an executive producer, who has, you know, you've sourced locations, you've helped in so many countless sort of numerous ways.
But like you taking, you taking Mark is taking extreme, like a vastly important resource for our sketch show away from us. It is true. Yeah, that is something I have to juggle and think about. I will say we did talk about the sketch show.
We talked at breakfast in depth about the sketch show and I actually flagged some things I was a little worried about as big questions I want to Mark's perspective on. So we did have some meetings about the sketch show. What are you worried about? Now, I'm curious that we're saving this for another time.
Okay. Well, not actually worried about anything, but I was asked questions about it. And for you, how does it feel to be on the flip side in a sense and be the mark because we are asking you to do quite a lot on this show for maybe not Max Kerman levels of pay? Oh, I love this.
I mean, the problem is that not the problem. I think the thing for all of us with any of this stuff is it's like, it's so much fun. Like I would probably pay to be involved. You know what I mean?
Like I feel like that's the way I look at like sometimes you're gonna let me do some of the music. Like I will pay you a thousand dollars. Just let me do it. Let me do it.
You know what I mean? So and I think and Marcus kind of like that too. So no, no, we and also like having to help connect dots is one of my favorite things. It's like, Oh, you need to use the bar?
Okay, you're gonna use odds for a thing or like, you know, whatever it may be like I like to try to try to help. So we do need some odds shirts. Is that hard to get because we want the waiters to be wearing you know, it's clothing. It's probably as long as we have extra.
Yeah, I think it should be okay. I think it'll be okay. Okay, but yeah, actually it was kind of cool because I talked about the T and Sarah's show with them because they were on set. Do you know anything about their show that's coming out?
It's a no news to me. It's about them growing up. That's all. Yeah.
So it's basically about their teenage years, like kind of discovering themselves and their sexuality and starting a band as teenagers in twins, you know, gay twins in Calgary. And they wrote a book about it. And then they sold like the rights of their story to Plan B, which is Brad Pitt's production company. It's coming out through Amazon.
So it's all very official. So the show runner and directors Clay Duvall, who you might recognize from Veeep. And she's been a lot of stuff. And they were telling me about just being on set.
And you know, because they're executive producers on the show, they're not acting on the show, but being there for like 12 hours a day, just like watching it all happen, giving notes, interacting with the crew, you know, they help cast it, they help do everything. And I was thinking, I don't think I could do 12 hours a day as an executive producer. How do you think? How would I be on set for the dessert, do you think?
Would I be annoying? Would I be helpful? Hmm. You might be able to do what do you think an hour and a half before you just burnt out.
You would need a special room if you are going to be on top like with a bed and some, I don't know, like New York Times materials or something. I don't know what some podcast playing. Yeah, maybe like a treadmill and like a little basketball hoop that you can practice on a little bit. That's the only way I can see on set for 12 hours.
But yeah, you know, you have bursts of creativity and ideas and that bursts, there's a finite bandwidth to it where I think 15 minute bursts where you can slide in and out. That's the kind of max we need. Yeah, I like that. But it's a powerful 15 minutes that you give.
That's, yeah, you know, I heard a story recently from a friend that the opportunity to work with Pharrell, the producer and Pharrell does is he has a big mansion and he has like four different studios in the mansion. And in each studio has a different like producer engineer in there working with like the biggest artists in the world. And he just hops around from room to room. And I think that'd be my strength.
I just need like three rooms around bouncing around. I think that'd be cool. Have you ever read the book for our work week? I've heard of it.
I've never read it. I feel like you'd be good at that where it's just you put all of your energy in one week in four hours and you could still probably achieve the same that someone could with a 40 hour work week. Yeah, because there's a lot of fucking around at a 40 hour work week that people don't even realize they're doing. Yeah.
Anyway, enough about me. How's it going with you guys? Any, any, have you had a chance to play? I know it's been a lot of work lately.
What's going on? I did choreography for fighting a dinosaur on the weekend and I'm fighting that dinosaur tomorrow. It's good. It's tough.
Just throwing a simple kick is difficult for me, but I do have a stunt double. It is. It is fun and it feels like like, well, his name is Alex. Okay.
He's going to be doing some of the kicks and then we have a parkour guy. I'm not sure of his name. And he's going to be doing some of the like flips and turns and things like that. Who's better looking?
You're. It's fun. It's hard to say. And it's really hard to gauge yourself because I always look at myself in maybe the best light.
Sometimes it's the worst light, but sometimes it's the best light because you make a mirror face right when you're in the mirror. So you kind of never see your face how it truly looks. It looks how it does when it's posed when you're sucking in your cheeks a little. So in my mind, I'm probably better looking than I am in the mirror.
But when I see myself on video, I'm always like, Hey, I'm so much uglier than I actually am. So it's hard. I'm going to say just this guy. He's a different ethnicity than me too.
So we don't look comparable. It's not like a typical stunt double where we look a lot alike. Yeah, he's handsome though. I don't know.
I'll say me. I'll say me. He hasn't seen him. I'm going to say me though.
And this is no insult because I'm very handsome. So it's no insult to the sun. Joking, of course. Max, shame brings up an interesting point to when people see themselves on camera.
You've obviously seen yourself on camera and music videos and other spots for many years. Do you have that still? Or do you always like, how do you feel when you see yourself on camera? I'm not as impressed with my profile as I want to be.
So like straight on, like the video that we just shot with taking Sarah, I liked myself straight on, but then to the side. And then also just the problem is being around Mark Myers. He just has the craziest jawline you've ever seen. And then you're kind of looking at him admiring his jawline the entire time.
And then you look at playback and then you see your own jawline from a profile view and you just feel like shit. I'm okay with myself, but to Shane's point, when you're filming yourself or looking in the mirror or whatever, or doing a selfie, you're like, oh, I'm pretty hot because you're doing it exactly and you're pouting exactly the right way. But sometimes when you catch yourself, like if somebody's videoing you at a party or something like that, and then they catch you from the wrong angle and your body's not as tight as it should be or whatever, then you're like, yeah. It's like, have you ever had an experience where you're in a change room at a Walmart or something and they have those three way mirrors where you can see every side of your face?
That is like seeing yourself for the first time. It's like hearing your voice on an answering machine for me, because I'm not a side profile person at all. Like compared to Max, I'm like the worst side profile person. But that was quite alarming when I realized the way I look from the side profile.
I think I was I had like PTSD for probably up two months after I saw myself. The first time you saw your Ashless pants in action, actually, you'd always been wearing nose and the hair on my butt. That too. I used to think I had a hairless butt and then someone filmed me.
I was doing a skit where I had like moon or something. And then I realized I can never show my butt again. And that's another thing. I have to do a sketch where I do show my my butt a little bit.
And I'm wondering, it's probably funnier if I'm if I don't shave. Maybe it's funnier if I do have a shadeless butt. But yeah, things like that. Seeing any part of your body on camera that you don't normally see can be jarring.
Yeah. Mikey, how are you doing? Great. I'm trying to wear like, you know, 60% threshold of me talking on these podcasts and I like it more when you guys talk.
So, how do you have anything for me? I can keep talking, but I want to make sure that you get a chance. It's the same boat, you know, just like a lot of work. I was in Toronto yesterday actually, there's like a cartoon sketch that we're doing.
So we're like laying down like an audio bed for the performance. So we have this recurring character in the sketch shown named Dr. Hong. So it's like first time working with that actor because his character appears in this cartoon.
Actually, our different palm on grief is going to be animating it. He's over seeing animation. So anyway, I don't think I was going to wait too much. But now we're lucky to have him.
Thank God for Paul. Totally. So I was in Toronto sort of working on that. And yeah, so it's just like everybody's, you know, between like Shane and John and myself and Mark, it's like everybody's kind of working on something all the time because there's just we need to do almost 50 sketches and deliver this thing at a certain date.
And so it's like literally takes all hands on deck. So you just we all have to be a bit Mark Myersy, but it's also interesting because, you know, from Shane's point of view, he's, you know, in this leadership role, he's overseeing everything. A lot of the sort of final say goes to Shane, you know, this really is sort of the show is of him and his sort of, you know, his his sensibilities and his tastes. And then obviously we have unless it fails.
Unless it fails. And then you hear the blame. That's how these things go. But yeah, so, you know, he's wearing a lot of hats, but then he also has to learn a million lines.
Like we were rehearsing a sketch I'm directing that is sort of like an intense, you know, argument is part of the bit. And so we were at my place with Shane and Bella who's one of the stars of the show and we're running this thing and running this thing. I'm just like, I was thinking like, fuck, I'm like, Shane's, you know, Shane's answering questions about like shit, like that is like producer level stuff that you don't want to think about if you're the performer, but then he also has to learn pages and pages of dialogue, then act as different characters in multiple different sketches. So I, you know, as much as like, everybody is sort of working, I was like, Oh man, Shane's really got to sort of shift his brain a million different ways multiple times a day.
We can hear Max sending email in the back. No, I think we're Shane's quite just already tuned out. Max, we can hear your time. Guys, I'm sick of this.
Sinking with said ratio. Mike, tell me a story puts on the glasses with eyes of the open things and naps. There's time. Yeah.
But anyway, so yeah, everybody's everybody's busy, but you know, it's fun. It's a labor of love. Have you had a chance to go out and have a drink? No.
No, Shane, you that's not to say we're not drinking at home, but yeah, yeah, after, you know, our kids go to bed. Um, no, because actually after kids go to bed, I come down to the office and I'm like, I basically have to knock out work. He's just like, start thinking, I'm trying to think though. One last time I kind of hung out was with, uh, with your old roommates, Jay Kelly and Mike D'Angelo.
Okay. That was like four pods ago. Or something. But I will say, okay, so the one thing we do on the horizon is so like this bachelor party for my brother that is happening, you know, like a week from now back when this was like planned months and months ago, when the sketch show is, we didn't know when we were shooting at shooting as a change.
So we just, we booked it because it was a weekend that worked for Greg and then everybody kind of got on board. It is now like in probably the absolute worst spot that like, like, because me, Shane, John and Mark, like basically like, you know, like we're all going on this trip. And so it's like everything comes with grinding halt for like three days while we go drink our faces off and then come back and you know, like it's, it's, it's, it's so I'm simultaneously looking forward to it, but also like you can't, it's not the most free thing in the world because you're like working right up until we jump on a plane and then you come back and immediately go back to work. Whereas like, yeah, that's fine.
What I'm getting at though is I think that within our group, you know, the champagne boys, because there's 23 guys going on this trip, dudes have different levels of like, you know, when it comes to like COVID, let's say, you know, different tolerance levels, you know, like at this point, most people are, you know, they're going out, they're sort of living their lives. It is what it is. But I think everybody is so terrified to get COVID before this trip that they shut it down. It's like they don't shut it down for like family events or things like that.
But when a trip like this is on the horizon, guys are spooked and they're like, I don't want to be the dude that has to miss the trip because I got COVID. Yeah, that's true. I haven't, I haven't had time to think about that as much. Luckily, I think I got COVID recently.
So I think I'm within a, you know, you know, I went to a cottage and everyone at the cottage ended up getting COVID except for me. So my thought is, even though I was testing myself a lot, maybe I got COVID before that and I became immune to it because I was the only person at this cottage that didn't get it out of 12 people or so. So, and I was, you know, around these people. So I think I might be immune or maybe I've had so many times that COVID is just like, like they just can't bother with me.
I don't know. Yeah, but I don't know. I think I've had it quite a lot. How many times do you think you've had it, Max?
Like five, six? You've had this one we've caught for the last like month and maybe it's long haul COVID, but I tested it and then it's been totally fine. You've got social dialed in searches doing its thing. So why do your marketing results look the same as six months ago?
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I had to get tested for COVID for a very interesting reason. Do you want to know why Mike? I do. I got to go.
I was just off to spake typing. Sorry. So I got to go and set for the new Adam Sandler movie. I know I texted you about this, but I didn't really tell you about it.
Did Shane tell you about my experience without saying? I didn't know. I just knew you were on set and I'm very curious to know how this even came about. So give us a give the listener the story.
So I'm at the dual leap of concert. I'm in the 200 level, the suite area of walking down the hallway, running to my friend Matt who works in a monosy. Matt's with a young woman. She's very excited to meet me.
She's like, oh my gosh, she's sort of freaking out. Oh my god, she wants to you know, say hello. Oh my god, what do you do? She's like, I'm Adam Sandler's assistant.
I'm like, what? I'm like, that's cool. I mean, what do you mean? She's like, yeah, he's filming a movie in Toronto.
I'm his personal assistant. I mean, that is a very cool job. Like, you know, and she's from Toronto. So she thinks like, you know, she's meeting Bono, right?
You know, so she's a woman. I'm Bono. Okay. Yeah.
And her name's Carol could not be nicer. She's sort of an actress comedian. And she's doing this gig with Adam Sandler sort of like on the side and taking care of his family, basically, and all of his personal stuff while he's in Toronto filming. And if you've been following Twitter, social media, TikTok, whatever, Adam Sandler's out and about he's playing a lot of basketball.
He's doing this now. So I'm going to go to school. She goes, Oh, if you ever want to, you know, come meet him or he plays basketball the time. Maybe you want to play basketball with him.
I'm like, yeah, I want to do all those things. So fast forward the next week. I have to drop off my book club, Maddie's car, because I board book club, Maddie's car to drive to the Nick Nurse golf tournament. I don't have a car.
Matt, let me use a car. She's, you know, everyone knows the Sandler is in Yorkville a lot. So I'm like, yeah, I'm going to be going through Yorkville because Brooklyn Maddie doesn't live too far from there. What do you guys have to do?
She goes, I'm heading to set right for four o'clock. Do you want to come by? I could probably sneak in. I'm like, I would love to go.
So I'm like, Ash, we're going to see Adam Sandler. So basically we get to set. It's Netflix has a lot by Cherry Beach, like in the East End, you know, I'm talking about like, where they're sort of like no man's lying. I can start to go.
And they're just breaking for lunch. So basically it's a totally empty set. And it's just Adam Sandler and his writing assistant there. So it's like kind of like the perfect time to meet him.
And she goes, Oh, this is Max from Markells. He also needs to like kind of talk to a doctor. He's having like some hip issues. So I put him in touch with my friend David Lawrence, who's the Blue Jays team doctor.
I was like, Oh, I got the perfect doctor for you. Doctor for Blue Jays. No problem. And then you hooked Adam Sandler up with a hip doctor.
Maybe I got it. Wow. Pretty good. Right.
That's cool. So then, you know, he asks if we're going on tour. He's he does a very good thing. If you're Adam Sandler is he's very, very nice to you and anybody he meets, but he's always walking away as he's having the conversation.
I was just going to say he seems like a fade away guy. Oh, yeah. He's always like his his donation seems like it's going forward, but his body's going back. Yeah, exactly.
He's doing that. So you know, he stops and chest from it, but he's always sort of walking away. But he makes an effort to even like stop as he's walking away pointed ash going, Hey, good to meet you. So then we, they break for lunch.
We're kind of talking to some more of the crew. What's his name? Louise Guzman? You know that actor?
He's there. Oh, wow. Yes, of course. Yeah.
And no secret that the movie is called No, You're Definitely Not Invited to My But Mitzvah. So basically, it's like the But Mitzvah Wars of New York City, Jewish families, but like which which 13 year old can have the biggest and best But Mitzvah, his daughters in the movie, he's in the movie. Anyway, they come back to set after lunch and they set Ash and I up in those tall director chairs. We have tall director chairs.
Did they have time to laser your name on the chair? Not quite, not quite. But for Bono, they would. But and they set us in front of the monitor world and we're going to watch scenes.
It's very cool. And then and Sandler is behind us watching the scenes in like monitor village, like probably seven feet behind us. And every time there's a cut, he walks by us, makes a joke, and then walks to set and tells his daughter who's in the scene, gives him some direction. So and like he's just kind of like being very funny and very sort of Adam Sandlery in every possible way, kind of talking to that rough voice.
And I was way back one time, I'm like, Hey, what kind of music you listen to these days? Because somebody said that Adam does a lot of like music choices and he's got great Jason music. And he goes, Oh, you know, I was just in Paris filming a movie and I got really into French music. I just love French music.
I don't know what they're saying, but I love it. I'm like, that is me. That's all I've been listening to. And actually to the point where we wrote a French song and we performed it in Montreal this weekend.
And I don't know what I was saying, but he's like, did the locals the locals must have fucking loved it. And you kind of like, wow, he sort of like dialed in because then we start talking about our favorite French artists into Shane's point. It's just search Gainesburg, right? Like if you're just like, French music, search Gainesburg, because love say search Gainesburg.
And then he's like, I'm like Bonnie and Clyde, which is the one in search again. And so everybody knows he goes, Oh, Bonnie and Clyde, I'm like, Bonnie and Clyde, oh, Bonnie. And then Adam Sandler starts going, Oh, Bonnie and Clyde, Bonnie and Clyde. And so I'm just saying that.
And it was the best. And then I was like, to your point, about 15 minutes, Shane, I was like, you know what, burst of energy, go in sing without Sandler, get the hell out. And then we left. And then we left and you have an EP credit and on the film.
Were you ready to get Nick Nurse on the FaceTime and pull the famous move from his movie? No, but to be honest, that was another thing I got to talk to him about because I got hanging with Dr. J at the Nick Nurse event, Julius Irving, Julius Irving was just in hustle. So Larry.
And so was Larry. So then I go to, so in our conversation with Sandler, I'm like, Oh, I was actually just hanging out with Julius Irving. It was the coolest thing ever. And he went and we talked about that for a bit.
So I did manage, I didn't get Nick Nurse on FaceTime, but I did manage to get that in there. Do you think you'll ever see Adam again? I think so. You know, I think maybe we'll go by, said again, before he leaves.
Now that I'm, and you mentioned the sketch show. Oh, I did mention the sketch show too. Because I was like, Oh, by the way, I'm doing, it's just by the way, it's just cool to be like, I'm producing a sketch show. You know, I'm doing like, I'm doing like, I'm not doing it.
It's good to have your back pocket. Like obviously I've helped with the music and I'm helping with a few things, like, you know, coordinating, but you guys are doing 97% of the work. I'm doing about 3% of the work, but it's just cool to be like, yeah, I'm an EP. Just just saying, I'm an EP.
It's fucking cool. Yeah, I'm an EP on sketch. I go, Hey, Bruce McCulloch, you know, kids in the hall. He's, he's my co EP or whatever the fuck I said.
Was Adam impressed? I don't know if he was impressed, but he asked what it was called. Oh, cool. What's it called?
I was like, it's called the dessert. It's coming on and crave this year. So, what did he think about that title? Because Bruce wasn't all that impressed with the title.
Love the title. Okay. Well, it's you came up with it pretty much. No, no, the title is good.
But actually speaking of Bruce, speaking of the sketch show, now I was thinking about this because book club, Mattie criticizes me for this. And we talked about this a little bit before is that how I'm how I have no chill, how I just ask anybody for anything at any point. So basically, as I mentioned last week on the pod, Durs from, I think this is important slash workaholics, it was in Vancouver. Bruce McCulloch, our buddy, who's going to be involved in the sketch, I don't think it's too early to say that, he has been in workaholics.
He knows Durs. So without thinking, I just email Bruce. I'm like, Bruce, if Durs is in Vancouver, I'm in Vancouver, my buddy keeps running into him. Can you connect us?
I'd love to meet Durs. And nothing happened from that. But but Bruce was like, okay, let me try. So, and by the way, I gave him about 12 hours notice to try to connect these dots.
And Durs might not even actually be in Vancouver, like because who knows if he was actually still filming. Yeah. And then I was like, and then so that didn't work. And I was like, Max, am I being too keen?
Like, did I need to email Bruce McCulloch to get me connected to Durs? And then, and then I was thinking back to Ocega. And I did another kind of crazy thing. I didn't even tell actually about this.
But Tovlo was, you know, the artist, she was on stage before us. She's and she mentioned she's from Sweden. And I was watching the set. I was like, wait a second.
We're playing Abba. They're from Sweden. Maybe Tovlo will come up into an Abba song. So then I'm like, she's off stage.
I'm grabbing a guitar to warm up. I happen to be passing by her. Hey, Tovlo. I think I say your name.
I'm like, yeah, we're playing the next thing. She doesn't know me from all the way. I'm like, we're doing Abba. Like, I'm enjoying us.
She's kind of like, sort of startled. It's just what did she say? I mean, I didn't just yell at it like that. I mean, I kind of established a bit more of rapport.
And she's like, uh, I don't know if I know the words of that song, which is good out. And I'm like, okay, well, if you want to come up and do the chorus, she's like, okay, I just got to stage. Let me think about it. Let me come right back to you.
And then I never saw again. But I was like, why do I like sometimes it works? But sometimes I think of myself like Max, like, stop it. Just stop it.
See, I thought you were going the other way with this. I think you're going to say, I think we're going to provide examples of how it worked out. And you sort of like, see, Matt, but this is a self reflective moment. Yeah, this is self reflective moment.
Normally, I'm like, Matt, I'm right, get out of my way. Look at all these things that we've, we've created. I was just not saying without him, Sandler blah, blah, blah. You know, I mean, I'm friend, you know, all these things.
But, uh, when I was thinking sometimes I go, yeah, maybe Matt's right, you know, he's right. But it works for you. You can never take away this power that you have. It's sometimes it's annoying to people, but it's going to help you more than it's going to be.
Shane's big philosophy. Oh, Shane and I, you know, we talked before, we sat back to back for more than a decade. So, you spend eight hours a day together and we've had a million conversations as we've grown over the years and talked about how can we do things better? How can I be a better person?
What am I'd all this stuff? And Shane kind of always defaults to like, you can improve yourself. But it's like, you are who you are. So if you're like, oh, I don't want to be so like, boisterous and social setting anymore.
It's like, you can do that maybe a couple times, but your, your nature is always going to eventually, uh, creep back up. It's who you are. And so, Max, even if you were to try to quell your instinct to sort of be extra, I guess we'll use as a word. It's like, how could you?
I guess it's who you are. It's who you've been since you were 15 and like emailing Glen Brunwell, the gym of the Raptors and getting, you know, trying to get a Vince Carter interview or whatever that was. So it's like, I don't know, you can't change who you are. Yeah.
It's like, if I go to a party and I'm like, I'm going to pretend I'm charismatic here for the first 15 minutes of the party. I'm going to like, all my shyness. I'm going to hide. These people don't know me.
They don't know. This is my nature. I want to see what happens. People are so good at telling if you're being authentic that it just reads false.
You have to be yourself. And if you were just trying to contain yourself, you'd be about to explode. I think you need to just go out there and do your thing. And it's going to fail smaller and smaller percentage of time as you keep rising in fame.
So, and this is why you're rising too. That's true. Now there's a correlation there. Okay.
Other topic subject. Have you guys ever, um, taken, you know, you're the airport and they're like, Oh, this flight is oversold. If you're able to get off your seat. Yeah, they come up with like a novelty check and they're like, who wants 500 bucks to not go on this flight, right?
Yeah. Have you ever taken them up on that? I'd love to, but they've never asked me. I've never been asked.
Yeah. I wouldn't. So we had a wedding on the R. Kel said a wedding on Saturday in Buffalo.
Thank you. Our friend, Tim and making shout out to them. It was an awesome time and I look at those who brought me back to our old stomping grounds and how we had the best time ever in Elkeville. Um, anyway, we're going to say, I was just going to like have the best 15 minutes of your life.
Like how long were you at the wedding for? How much can you tolerate it? Oh, yeah. I was there probably from like, you know, five, there's a short ceremony, five, 30 to like 11, 30.
It was great. So the whole band was there, though. So you were playing it? No, no, it was a non-work event.
It was, it was all pals with Tim and he invited us and we went down. We just had the ready. We can all five. Oh, wow.
There you go. Exciting. It never happens. It was very unusual, but it was very cool.
Just to spend time with the band in like a non-work setting and it was just like everybody was there. It was very cool. Um, did you end up going on stage? There was not even any kind of DJ.
No, no, no. Cause the only other time I saw you at a wedding, you ended up taking over the stage. They had a band like a cover band and you got on and started singing and pointing and I made a little video of like how you can't help. It was a Beatles cover band and they had a very specific sense.
The Max is going to get involved no matter what. I can't remember what you jumped up for. But yeah, it was definitely disrupted their flow. I'm not going to lie.
I did text Donnie and Tim, Donnie's Tim's best friend. And I did ask, is there going to be a band there thinking I'm like, oh, this would be an amazing moment. Our Kels will get up on stage and do a song. But there's a DJ.
So, but Ash and I had to get to the airport. Uh, so we drive home from Alkaeville, Packer shit, get to the airport, get on the flight, go to Vancouver. Um, but we didn't actually have to be there until the shoot wasn't until the evening of the next day. So when they announced West Gen, they announced, um, the flight's oversold.
If we have two volunteers to give up their seats, you know, you could be caught in that. I was like, normally we're in a rush to get to my but I was like, I really don't want to fly right now. At least you know when your brain is muddled. You can't really make a decision.
We were both like tired. I was like, oh yeah, we could take the, we could take the money and help West Gen out a bit. And okay. So then Ash basically, I don't want to wait another helping West jet out is one of the motivating factors like that.
And it helps the West jet. You know, and we could get money, I guess. It was an act of charity. Um, so then Ash goes up to the guy who was who's organized.
He's like Irish guy, Declan. And Declan pulled some like, like negotiator moves that I've never really seen. Can you do his voice for us actually? He's like, Oh, he is like, oh, he is like a muck.
No, not the voice. Um, the, so she's just like, Hey, we're kind of interested. Like, what's the deal? And he goes, thanks very much.
Sit down. I'll just come right back to you. And then she's kind of like intimidated and she's, and then she's like, well, uh, can you tell me about his equal to care of you? And then just sort of like walks away.
And then, but we still haven't like signed off on what the thing is, right? Like it's like, if he's offering us 200 bucks, we're not going to do it. But if he's like offering us a thousand bucks, then like, okay, maybe we'll do it. But he just kind of keeps, he doesn't make eye contact with us.
He's like this big Irish man. And he just keeps on saying, we'll take care of you and walks away. So like, uh, we'll do it in the next slide. Don't worry.
We'll take care of you. And then eventually they didn't have to, uh, bump us. They just like, Oh, it turns out they actually did have room and it was fine. But I was thinking, it was like that, that job of negotiator at the airport for free, for free tickets and like would be a really interesting job because people, because sometimes you're at the mercy of the, of the people that are demanding more and more money because like if they need to bump you and you're like, I'm not gonna get bumped unless I get $1500, you need to have the right power and negotiating skills.
It's like, you can't just be like a normal attendant. That's not what you're trained for. There's like psychological warfare happening here between the person who's getting bumped and the airline. And I was just thinking, I was like, that's kind of an interesting job.
Uh, as an ego, do you guys think you'd fare well as a negotiator for an airline in that kind of situation? Everyone's always hot and bothered at the airport. Not hot bothered. Just bothered at the airport.
Maybe maybe not. This man's strategy, this strategy was interesting because it would seem like if they actually needed you to knock on the flight, you keep dangling the carat of, so if something's gonna come, we'll sort you, we'll sort you, then the plane's kind of taking off and it's like, okay, here's your gift certificate. So you wait till it's too late where the people can complain all they want. And then you act like, Oh, sorry, I thought you said you wanted this.
And then you act all confused. Seemed like he was going to do that. Yeah, well, he definitely like, and the plane was starting to board and it was like, we're in zone two and we're like, well, either we're going to take the deal now and know what it is or we want to get on the plane right now because I want to make sure my luggage gets a spot. So he's kind of like holding us in purgatory, but like we can't really do anything about it.
It was a real power move. I was like, I guess whatever when you're under duress and there's a time limit, that's the best way to negotiate when you're in the power position. I think those jobs too, you have to be somebody that one enjoys the power to like, you get something out of it beyond what you get paid as an employee, because like, Oh, I'm saving a big corporation some money by negotiating, but I like, you might sort of the power you have over people. You must really get something out of it because it's like, you couldn't pay me enough as like someone that works at like WestJet.
I'm not going to give a shit about saving a couple hundred bucks for WestJet in negotiation where I'm going to crush some family's vacation. Like it's like, there's, you really need to be a certain type of person, I think, for it to be worth it. Like, I would just, I would hate that job. It would suck.
I would build a narrative for every like couple or family or people I had to bump. I would feel stressed out. I'd be trying to like help certain people out. I don't want to play God on the airline who gets to their destination, who doesn't, who am I trying to rip off with a fucking gift certificate, who am I giving the $1,500 to?
I hate it all. I hate it. Yeah. Who would be good?
Just don't notice all the flight. Yeah, I know. I think I could be good at it, but like in a jokey way, like Mike has taken that really serious that job and like the stakes are so high that it makes me not want it. But if I took it lighter and it was someone like younger people are usually without kids, people who aren't encumbered, people who are just going on a vacation to explore for a long period of time, who aren't in a rush, I'd get those people and I'd be like, okay, let's face it, nobody's getting rich here.
But you know, we'll give you a little, a little something. Just have fun like that, be charming in that fun, sarcastic way. And I think the job could work. But if I had to actually pick up family and they have all this luggage and screaming kids and I'm holding them back from going on the flight, then the job's not as fun.