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If we're back with another episode of Horror Movie Night this week, we are talking about Hellraiser 5 in Ferno. And we talked about him enough last week. Why not bring up Greg Shafer again? Because he's back.
He's a big fan of two fur. Yeah. Who would have kind of forgotten that he was in this? There was a handful of detectives that could have been or like detective character actors could have been.
I forgot it was Craig Shafer. It is. So here's the thing. I forgot a lot about this movie.
And I'm very interested for this is a Kyle pick, right? Yes. All right. I'm very interested for Kyle to take us down the route of this.
Now I did read that there has been some debate over something that I thought was factual, which is I've always been told this was a random movie script that then they retrofit it. Hellraiser into it. The writers of that deny that. It was Doug Bradley who said that.
We'll see. I mean, I can see some elements where that makes sense because it's barely a Hellraiser movie for so many elements of the runtime. But I don't know. The parts that are Hellraiser, you feel pretty important to the plot beats where I'm like, I can't imagine what else this would have possibly been.
Yeah. It's not a Hellraiser concept. It feels like a fair enough pitch. It's like, OK, if they did Hellraiser in space and slash the past for Bloodline, it's like Hellraiser in a film Noire and you're like in a detective like Noire, then also makes a lot like that pitch is even more interesting to me than the latter than the former for Bloodline.
I think that Hellworld, Hellworld felt way more like it was something retrofitting Hellraiser aspects into it, right? Because that could have just been any killer video game thing. And like it specifically being Hellraiser feels like a less second edition. Yeah.
And then when it's starting, yeah. It's a little bit more fun. Well, that's I think at the core, the biggest problem with this movie that we're about to discuss is like, there are moments here and there where I'm like, if there was more of this, like the people were able to watch the video. There is an image behind Kyle that is like arguably one of the most interesting moments in any Hellraiser movie.
It's so weird and like sleazy and seductive. And I'm like, it was cool. And twins. And twins.
But like it was, I do think they introduce some really cool fucking Senobites in this movie. But then they just barely utilize it. I feel like I thought McFarland toys put out the twins or a version of the twins. Because I remember seeing them.
Did you look? I feel like I remember seeing them in action figure form before I ever saw the movie. And I'm not positive. Because there was a lot of collaboration between McFarland and McFarland and Kline Barker, the Tortured Souls series.
And they did Senobites. And I don't remember. I always forget there's a half-chatter in here, which is crazy. It's also crazy that this movie came out in 2000.
It's really looked so very cute. It looks so 90s to me. It does until the CGI tongue. Yeah.
That is true. The other thing before you dive into the breakdown, Kyle, because I really didn't have that many notes written about this. But like there's, I have to ask, Hellraiser has to be. I'm like hard pressed to think of another franchise.
The franchise that just takes the quickest and weirdest turn off from its original source material when you're thinking of like these classic franchises, right? Because like I'm thinking about it. Like Texas Chanson asks, it gets weird. Halloween has some weird ones.
Freddy and Jason are pretty consistent. But like there's never a point where they don't still distinctively feel like the franchise that they're in, where I feel like by part four, you're already going into some wild swings and directions. And it never feels like it gets back to what Hellraisers are supposed to be until like two years ago when they did a great remake. But like from like Hell on Earth to that remake is like wild, wild shots and swings across the board.
It's exactly what you said though, because I don't think there's another franchise. And I'm just shooting from the hip here. But I don't know of another franchise in which we talk about scripts being retrofitted to include a franchise character like Pinhead. I mean, Pinhead specifically, you know, like Sennabites or whatever.
But Pinhead specifically, there's not, I don't know of another franchise that. And like also like, I mean, even if it was a slasher franchise, it's like what the jumps to include a slasher is different than what you need in order to fit a Sennabyte into into a script or the idea of Hell or whatever. So it's like it does, I understand what you're saying, Matt. And it also feels kind of clunky.
I was having a conversation with a friend of mine who who had claimed that the Hellraiser franchise actually might be one of his favorites. And I think there's something to be. I think that's an interesting choice. And I don't, I rank it higher than probably most people think of it.
And I think it is because even though the movies aren't great, it is Pinhead or the Hellraiser world in these different scenarios that I can appreciate. Like I never feel like I'm watching another Friday, the 13th movie again, you know. And I found myself when I was watching this one, I'd love for Scott to sound off on this too. But like, I, you know, when we talked about Season the Witch and how that like really, like it's a bummer that that didn't succeed because how interesting it would have been for Halloween to go into this like anthology series of shit that happens on Halloween.
I am all on board for what this movie tries to do. I think it's a bummer that this movie's not good because, because the idea of like, oh, Hellraiser isn't this franchise where over and over and over again, people just open the box and the Cenobites show up in Hellbrakes-Lues. But instead you can do these anth... Like at its core, Hellraiser would be an amazing anthology show where every episode is a different person discovers the box and you get to experience their own versions.
Right, the comics are so good. You know what I mean? Totally. And if this movie wasn't so...
Like I... It's been a while since I've checked the time left in the movie as many times as I had watching this one because it is like, there'll be something really, really cool. And then it's like 20 minutes of the blandest, like, film art. It's procedural, dude.
That's the problem. I cannot abide by procedurals. It's the most boring part of literally any movie we watch. I remember last summer we did Bla Beach and there's so much procedural in that.
I mean, you can listen to literally any episode of our show where one of you guys picks a procedural adjacent horror movie and I have the same complaint. Now, here's the thing is that this movie is not good, in my opinion. Like, well... This was about how much that I remembered it regardless.
But I still think it's bad. Yeah. Okay, so I guess... And there are a lot of arguments that I...
When I was doing a little digging while I was watching this because I had to keep myself busy, there are a lot of arguments that this movie like goes way harder than it has to. And then people were like, oh, it's like so clever. I don't hate it. Like, I just don't like it.
Does that make sense to you guys? No, I... Like I said, I think that there's an interesting concept of a way to continue the Hellraiser franchise in this movie. But I feel like it's the wrong movie to get that franchise moving and because it's not the right movie to do it, it kind of fumbles in a really bad way because like, I'm sitting here and I'm imagining like, smile too.
You know what I mean? Like, smile too. You take the concept of smile, but now it's like what happens to a pop star that there's a tension on them 24-7. They get infected by that.
Like, I could see the version of this movie where it's like the lead singer of a heavy metal band that opens up the cube. And we get all of these like heavy metal centric things while he's on tour. You don't like to be... Oh, that would be...
Like, you're telling me the things that I want. Yeah, this would mean, but you could dabble in so many franchise homages, blending as many genres as you want with Hellraiser and like, kind of making... Making it easy on Doug Bradley, right? Making it where he's like a cri...
Keeper character that shows up at the end of the movie. And we always know that he's going to show up at the end of the movie when like, everything's revealed. But the fun is the ride that you're on to see. How is this person's version of Hell going to happen?
Like, there's so many cool ideas that could be explored in a franchise. And unfortunately, this movie is just not a good enough movie to make anyone decide to do this again. Oh my... So I want you to go through the plot synopsis for us because I have some questions about like the reason why at the end that I may not have understood in the two times I've watched this.
Yeah. Well, so to do that, I feel like you probably need to get yourself primed. Yeah, I'm going to hell. You're going to need something to drink.
So I don't have a beer today, but I do have a glass of Apothec Inferno. Ah, yes. It's very nice. I don't love this wine, but it was what else am I going to do?
What else am I going to do? Apothec? You could do wish fulfillment from Tired Hands Brewing Company. It's got like really cool art on it.
It's amazing. I completely forgot that this was the film noir one. I actually thought that Hellseeker, which is the next one. Yeah, yeah.
Wow, Hellseeker. Yeah, well, I forgot about this one. I remember Hellseeker, but I was like, I forgot that this was the film noir. And I was like, oh, wish fulfillment because somebody opens the box.
Yeah, sorry. Somebody got open the box. Well, it's, I mean, it's a dude who loves puzzles. We're true.
So the setup is like, if we were going to have a crooked detective, which we do, we just don't lean into it hard enough, I feel, to allow us to be like, oh, he's going to be in this hell razor landscape. But I will walk us through Hellraiser Inferno from the year 2000, directed by Scott Derrickson, who we know would go on to do Black Phone, Doctor Strange, Sinister, Exorcism of Emily Rose. Wait, he doesn't use the strange? Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. So this is, it's also funny that I think this is the second time that you shocked me by having Scott Derrickson be the director of Doctor Strange because it is my favorite MCU movie. And I've watched it more than any other ones, but I always forget because all I can think about is Sam Raimi doing Doctor Strange.
Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, it was a busy year 2000 for homeboy because he wrote and directed this, wrote Urban Legends Final Cut and did the script revisions for Dracula 2000 all that year.
We have discussed literally everything that that man did in the year 2000 as of today. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Scott Derrickson is an interesting film maker. I'm just leaving that.
You can argue I'm looking at his entire IMDB. And I'm just going to talk about the ones that he directed real quick. You could easily argue that this is the worst film in his first career. So from the directing side of things, he did this first.
Then the Exorcism of Emily Rose, which was great. Yeah. Delivers from Evil from 2014, I don't remember. Yeah.
That's another sort of like procedural base. Yeah. That's what I don't know then. Then he did Doctor Strange, the Black Phone and the Gorge.
And he has Black Phone too coming out. Man, that's crazy that we must have talked about Scott Derrickson during my discussion of the Gorge back in February. That was, that's what it was. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, and we did Urban Legends Final Cut at the top of the year too. So we talked about it a bit, I think.
Yeah. I was going to say we were covering. I feel like we're nearing the halfway point on covering all of his available cut-in for our ten-year break. Yeah.
All right. So he directs this as directorial debut. A flawed detective played by Craig Shafer, who loves puzzles, comes across a gruesome murder, and that's where we begin. He takes evidence from the crime scene for his pleasure.
And during a night with a sex worker, he plays with the puzzle box while taking a shit. Not really. He's just sitting on the toilet. But this is before Candy Crush.
You play with a puzzle box. And that's how you pass the time. If you think of the original script, he was taking a shit and then someone was like, we've got to just have him sit on the toilet. I know they're like, I think of shit when it was a procedural.
And then they're like, let's add the puzzle box and xenobites because the writers are lying. Yeah. The original script was actually from this point on. It was just 90 minutes of a cop taking a poop.
Yeah. It was hellacious. It was definitely detrimental. But he was in there for a long time.
So he plays with the puzzle box. He opens up a world in which it doesn't quite feel like the Hellraiser-esque world that we've seen before. But it's the fifth movie by now. He actually opens up into a child's bedroom and then what we can assume is his childhood home.
The Senate by Latex twins come out and they start giving our detective the business with a lot of under-discayne foreplay. And then Chatter really cocks blocks and comes up the stairs asking him. He's not scared enough about seeing all these monsters. No.
I mean, listen, the Latex, the twins are not sexy. I'm scared out of my mind. Do you want the, do you want two Voldemort's to rub under your chest skin? Yeah.
With jellyfish beards? Like I don't know what it is. Well, there's a lot of the wire twins. I did.
You can check our Facebook group or our Facebook messages. I found them as a series one. It was not McFarland. It took me a minute to find them.
But they're called the wire twins. I think that those are actually wires that are supposed to be connecting to their chests. Okay. Because that seems like a son of a thing.
We, it seems, again, it seems like the BDSM portion of this and like the sort of like the eroticism thing that Clive Barker is so known for just sort of like exists momentarily visually and it does not get explored in any other capacity. Oh, then probably this moment. And then there's a moment where he goes, he goes to his like tattoo shop or I don't see those things in place of business. He's placed a business which I'm going to get to in just a second because that place is weird.
But there's not enough of, there's not enough of the BDSM situation. Well, nobody does it like Barker. Nobody does it like Clive, baby. I love our detective and his partner Tony who is the actor's name is Casey, but he's in like NYPD Blue and like he's just a, he's back cop from the jump.
He's always played a cop in everything that he does. And these guys, we find out that again, the detective just loves puzzles. He loves palindromes. They have a fun little bit of banter about palindromes here.
And the detective gets a call from the sex worker that he saw the night before and she is getting slaughtered. The phone call is gross and icky. And now we are in for a treat because now the detective has to start figuring out what's going on, but also under the radar because he definitely fucked up a lot. He's placing evidence at the crime scene of this so that he could then double down and backstab his partner if his partner doesn't help him out to get out of this dilemma.
He also has a wife and kid at home that he is not, he's pretty much neglecting and we're trying to figure out what to do about the sex worker that he saw. We're trying to figure out who the engineer is, who is kind of, we're kind of assuming is like either a crime boss or a serial killer or something vague or as an audience who's watching a Hellraiser movie, we're like, ah, yes, okay, I'm aware of this character. We know who the engineer is out the gate. But he goes to a tattoo parlor who is like also a BSM artist, I guess, who, and it's about a sanitary as a fucking Claire's.
He's got a baloney sandwich on his tray, which is insane. And the detective gives him, gives him some more business. He asks, are you going to frisk me or fuck me as the detective has pushed him up against the wall. Great bit of business there too.
We're not getting any answers. We just kind of follow our detective who is going through sketchy person by sketchy person, including an ice cream man who I think is great. At a CD bar, the detective gives a detective the VHS tape and he decides to play it at the bar. Very weird.
Very weird. And then he sees the engineer killing a person with a whip, killing the ice cream man that he had seen before with a whip that has hooks on the end. He cuts off a finger, places a finger in the cash register. And now we know that the engineer is placing fingers at each of the crime scenes and now the detective knows where all these fingers are.
So now the detective is a suspect in this whole game and he can't really quite keep together. He tries to show the tape to his pals at the precinct. They don't believe him because there's nothing on the tape. So we start to really get into some supernatural or mental issues for our detective who just continues to do drugs, continues to avoid his family, not sleep.
He's not doing so hot. After they find ice cream man murdered, they show up at some fucking one-eye jacks twin peaks looking place where there's a bunch of cowboys. There's a lot of like half steps here. Nothing ever feels like it goes full into what it should because then our detective gets the shit kicked out of him by the cowboys from Karate Cowboys.
Karate Cowboys dude. Karate Cowboys. Is that almost as good as a Karate magician that we know? Magician from Demon Wind?
Not the only one's double feature. Oh, that would be a perfect double feature. It was not my pick, but now I'm bummed that I didn't pick that. So he starts to get weird here.
We're still kind of centabyte lists except for he keeps seeing a faceless long-tongued sort of centabyte looking hallucination throughout his time. It's because he's not getting any sleep and nobody believes him. And it's sort of like a Jacob's ladder. Yeah, this is wildly inspired by Jacob's ladder.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely visually inspired by Jacob's ladder. And now here's where we start to get a little bit more Hellraiser E. His psychiatrist clues him in on what the lament configuration is just out of the blue.
And then the shit hits the fan. His mom calls him from a convalescent home, says that the engineer visited them at the convalescent home. We got a hellacious hospital hallway moment, which also still feels a little bit Jacob's ladder E. And there's this really great moment where he returns from the delusion, which we come to find out that that is a delusion when he goes to visit his parents the first time.
But then he goes back to visit his parents and the nurse still set. The nurse says the first time that she didn't know that they had a son and then he goes back in reality. And the nurse also says I didn't know that they had a son. So there's this great dichotomy that the detective is losing his shit but also is like has not been good at his job or his life for a while now.
Tony confronts Tony, his partner confronts our detective and then Tony gets got. So now people just die and left and right. The detective psychiatrist is actually the engineer and yes, the engineer is pinhead and the detective's life, wife, child are all in shambles, but he wakes up. It's not that bad.
He wakes up and everything's fine. Except now he still is with the sex worker. Like we start from the jump. He must have just been stoned off the supply that he stole from his dead high school friends from the beginning of the movie.
But now we're actually in a time loop and now he's going through hell yet again. We got another call from the sex worker while he's at the office. He's feeling much better about his life. But now the cycle starts again and that is hell raiser in front of me.
Reading it back. There is so little. Settle bite. Stuff.
I mean, this wiki I must say. This is wiki two paragraphs. They summed up this entire hour and 40 minute movie in two paragraphs and I won't lie. They don't include all the people who die or anything.
They just kind of write it off in a very quick. It's just something along the lines of like many of his friends and family or tourmen. Or something like this. Like it's like very they just kind of like glaze over like, oh, here it is.
Throwing goes in search of the engineer who in term begins murdering his friends and associates. Like that is the entire summary of all of the deaths and then it jumps to the pinhead reveal at the end and that's the entire wiki. Like it is. It is dramatically tight.
But this is we said a lot of the stuff up front. But yeah, this is just like, I don't remember Hellseeker. I really don't remember debtor at all. Like hardly know her.
The debtor hardly know her. But I will say that of the ones that I distinctly remember, which is the first four hell world because we covered that the remake and that really, really bad remake that they did to try to just hold the rights to hell raiser where pinheads just in a room the whole time. Hellraiser. I was saying it was hell raiser revelations.
Yeah. I mean, this movie is lucky. Hellraiser revelations exist. Because it keeps it from being the worst of the ones that I remember.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's a go ahead Scott.
Well, I was just going to say that like it's not super fun. And I think that the reason a lot of us will watch a Hellraiser movie is for David Bradley or Doug Bradley for Doug Bradley. And I clocked how long he was actually on screen. It was less than three minutes, which is hilarious.
Now, it is kind of a thing in the Hellraiser movies that Doug Bradley doesn't have as much screen time as we remember him having, right? Like in the original Hellraiser, he has 10 minutes. I'm guessing that in three, I think that that's the one he's probably in the most. Because that's the one where it's like going back in time where you get to see him in the become the fully become is the one where he's like fighting with his previous self.
Yes. Yes. We get hints of that in part two and three and that's that. Yeah.
So I'm pretty sure that three is the one where Doug Bradley has the most screen time. And while I can't speak to the other ones of how little screen time, which one has the least screen time, you'd probably be hard pressed to find one that has less screen time for Doug Bradley in makeup. Yeah. And the makeup for this is shoddy.
The closeups of him, the white on him, they didn't shave him very well. They didn't shave his cheeks very well. And I'm like, man, this is like very 2000. If I had watched this in high school when it was right on VHS, I think that I would have even DVD at the time, I suppose.
I think that I would have been very disappointed. As an adult, I can see like, I can pick out the stuff that I enjoy in the watch, not that I would recommend it for anyone or watch it again myself. I'm just saying like, I didn't hate the hour and 40 minutes I spent watching this movie. I was just, I was just a little bit un enthused, you know?
Yeah. More Doug Bradley makes me. There are really, really cool moments in this, but boy overall, yeah, you're really, you're really on a long ride. But this is one that's really gotten reevaluated quite a bit.
I don't think it needs to be honestly. I don't think it needs to be. Like I'm right now I'm looking at an article from 2022 that was ranking the Hellraiser movies from worst to best. And they put Inferno above fucking over Hellworld.
They put it over bloodlines. Oh, that I will not accept this. This thing, it is below, it is in the top five underneath Hellraiser 3, Hellraiser 2, the Hellraiser remake and Hellraiser the original. Wow.
That's insane. Who is this person? Put them on blast. I'm kidding.
Don't tell us who that is. I'm like, that is, I'm like, I can see. I think I like this maybe a little bit more. Well, I don't know.
I'm not going to compare if we like it or not. I know you don't like it. I don't know. I wouldn't put it up for reevaluation.
I do think that there is like a room for it. I think it's interesting. I don't think that like, yeah, it's not a recommendation from me in any way. Well, you don't like it.
I recommend the five other Hellraiser movies before. Well, the reason why you enjoyed your watch more than Matt and I is because I did see multiple discussions and articles of it saying that it's lynchian. And I'm wrong. I feel like it's kind of a prestige of lynch almost or maybe not a prestige, but a study.
Yeah. There's enough nods to it. It feels like it has that kind of odd dreamlike dread that a lot of lynchian stuff has. And you said that you know, they go that one twin peaks place with the cowboy and all that.
And I mean, it feels like that. You know, I think that Derekson was probably influenced by Twin Peaks for at least some of this. And it's very funny to me to kind of see that it's at least three movies or at least three ships sub genres in one because ask me in a little bit what I watched and I will get back to that same concept. Yeah.
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I would pair this with 14.08, which I think maybe is more visually connected than really anything else. But there's this sort of loop thing. There is this more supernatural element that I think I really like in this person who's tormented by their own hell. But I think it works kind of nicely with this.
And there's so little hell raiser in this that it doesn't feel like I'm trying to, you know? It feels like it actually works. Yeah, no, that's what I'm going with. Scott, how about you?
So I'm going to go with Silent Hill because I was watching it and it kind of was like a bloodless Silent Hill to me, like the cop looking for the kid and the monsters that kind of come out of nowhere and the dreamy aspects of it. And later on in the movie, after I've written that down in my notes, I saw people on Reddit comparing it to Silent Hill. They were like, oh, no, no, I'm sorry. I wasn't on Reddit.
It was on the Wiki. It was the reception on Wiki. It said that there was somebody on JoeBlo.com or something like that that said that they were looking at it in a retrospective way. And they said that it kind of precluded what Silent Hill did.
You know, Silent Hill 2014, 2012. Yeah, I read the same review. It basically said it's really inspired by Jacob Snyder, but it feels like a precursor to Silent Hill at the same time. Very strange that I got to that too.
And then I kind of, it felt like I kind of went out of myself, but hey, we're here anyway. Yeah. All right. Well, I'm going to be cheap and lazy.
I'm just going to pair with what we watched last week and say, let's watch some night breed. Same actor. Yeah. Kind of weirdly has a similar energy to it of like a meshing of horror with a different genre a little bit.
Sure. Because like, yeah, it was very fantasy. Yeah. So yeah, I'm going to go with that.
I had that as my second pick too. I was like, it could just bear really nicely with night breed. Honestly. So Matt saw the picture that I, a screenshot I took in our group chat.
But Kyle, I don't know if you saw it. It was of one of the actual tortured souls. One of those, Cenobites, is the lady one. And it said, this is the most night breed looking Cenobite I've ever seen.
It was the female-esque Cenobite. And I thought that was very, very funny because it kind of is like the porcupine woman from Night Breed mixed with one of the Cenobites from like, you know, Hellbound. Oh, wow. And honestly, I know I've talked about this before that my uncle had a collection of stuff.
When you set that picture, it immediately scratched my brain if he had that figure. He had like. You know one of the wire twins or both? The female one.
And he had like of that same design, butter ball, chatterer, and all of the other. I have no clue what happened to his collection of things. And it's a real bummer because man, what I'd love to have got my hands on some of the stuff in his collection when he died. I do those figures are incredible.
I really like to came with chatterer half chatterer, which I love. Yeah. The last one is going to be on the front end one. Yeah.
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I watched another Bad Cop movie, Bad Lieutenant Port of Call New Orleans. I had never seen it. I had a vague understanding of what it is. I'd never seen it before.
I was badly tenant. I had no understanding, really, of what I was in for. But Carly and I put it on one night. And it just proves more and more that Nick Cage is one of the best actors ever.
So the movie is bump-astic. The script is insane. But there is a talent that the man has to have in order to play a character successfully that still carries the movie. And if a character is written poorly, or the arc of the character is so insane, he just commits so strongly and so well to anything that he does that it just elevates anything that he's in.
If you fucking write a bad movie and you can get Nick Cage to be in it, you'll do fine. You will do fine. And I don't even think it's necessarily the draw of Nick Cage. I mean, I think it's part of it.
But I think that it's also like he's just really fucking good at what he does. It sometimes is a little bit tough. I mean, also it comes to the thing that everyone talks about. Everyone always discusses Nick Cage as good as the director who knows how to use him.
You know what I mean? And in the hands of a bad director, you get something that's campy and memorable, like a wicker man, right? Like where no one knew how to handle Nick Cage and just let him run wild. But then you get those directors who do know how to properly rein in what Nick Cage does best.
And you do get stuff like Mandy and a lot of those later in his career in the Cage movies where you kind of reevaluating go like, all right, no one else could do what he's doing in this role. Like the right person found him for this. Yeah. So I thoroughly enjoyed my watch.
It's probably not for everybody, but man, it was a ride. And I'm glad I finally got around to it. And I don't think it's one that I would necessarily pick. And it's not very, you know, it's not very actiony, but it is intense and there's a lot happening.
And it's fucking weird. Yeah. So I enjoyed it. I also don't want to spoil when we recorded this episode, but literally three minutes ago in my inbox, I got a press release from the PR company that sets up all of my interviews at Fantastic Fest and for different podcasts that says out next week, the Colt PTSD has horror films so fades the light by the film collective gets super red, hits VOD on June 24th, and I scroll over the bottom and there's my point Kyle's name in this press release.
Well, yeah, buddy. Yeah, yeah. It was very exciting. And we go check it out.
It's available to rent. It's on a bunch of places. And I think you might be able to straight up buy it. It's one of those things.
I don't know how these things lie. I'm just going to be July. I'm sure there's a whole, it's almost all gets by the time this episode drops out. So I'm sure there's even more ways to watch it than that initial VOD drop.
Scott, how about you? What is something that you watch, listen to, et cetera, that you want to talk about? Did you guys both watch The Monkey? I didn't.
I keep hearing, I keep hearing mixed things. And I've heard some people say it's like their favorite film of this year. And the consensus I keep hearing is you need to know what you're going in for. And if you think you're going in for a hard movie, you're probably going to hate it.
But if you know that it's like more of a comedy with horror elements, then you're going to have a good time with it. So I'm curious where you landed on this. Well, I didn't like it. And I wanted to know if you guys had seen it because I knew what it was doing.
I just didn't think it was funny. Yeah. I think that Theo James, is that the guy who played the main character? I think so.
Yeah. I do not know. Whatever. He's good.
I mean, he's fun. He plays two characters. I mean, he plays one brothers. It's just one of those movies where it feels like multiple movies matched together like Inferno, like how it was.
And I was watching and I'm like, I just can't tell if Matt and or Kyle would like it if they had watched it. I mean, I'm going to watch it eventually. Is it streaming somewhere? Yeah, but I mean, I paid for it.
I think maybe that was also why I wasn't happy about it. I knew no matter what I was waiting for that bad boy to drop on HBO Max or whatever. I mean, I'm sorry. I mean, I'm sorry.
Watch it fucking drop like into weeks and I wasted. Now, I wait. I wasted both $3 and all of the digital rewards that I had saved up on Amazon. No, no.
It was $10 to rent that shit. And I think I used $7 of it. $7 of the promo, digital promo stuff. I hate that for you.
I'm so sorry. I'm not mad. I'm disappointed. No, understandably.
Sorry, Dad. I mean, real quick, because I believe that's based on a Stevie King story. Yes. Word on the street.
I've heard from four or five different people and I don't know if this is going to be up your alley, Scott. But I have heard so many people saying that Life of Chuck, which is a non-harish screenplay from Stephen King, director by Mike Flanagan, is like a strong contender for like the best film of this year. Like the amount of people who have absolutely raved about it. So I'm excited.
I love what Mike Flanagan does. And I love a good, like weird indie film. So I'm ready. I'm all in for it.
I'm ready to see what weird non-har work Mike Flanagan can do. I'm going to do two very short things that I'm going to promote. One is that Barb and I in a month and a half watch the entirety of the sopranos and you know, everyone says it's one of the greatest shows of all time. I'm really excited to kind of agree.
I could not give a shit less about mob movies. But this just worked for us. We were like instantly hooked. It's funny.
It's dark. It's fucked up. There's one episode that I wish I could wipe completely off the planet because it's wildly unnecessary and involves some of the most violent essay I've ever seen in my life. But beyond that, it does this really.
It's a really interesting character study, right? Because Tony soprano is a bad guy. He's in the mafia. He's killing people.
He's doing all types of fucked up shit. And the whole show, you're seeing him teeter towards good and then just not able to fight who he is and who he's been raised to be. And it's just it's almost heartbreaking because you keep seeing him almost get there. You keep seeing him almost want to put that life away and move on and then something happens.
Someone attacks one of his kids. Something happens that sets him off and all of that goodwill from therapy goes out the window and it's like starting with a clean slate again where he has to try to work back. It's a wonderful character study and it is worth watching. It's only like 60 episodes which I thought it was so many more episodes.
Jesus Christ. But you don't want to be like for how long the sopranos ran out? I thought it was going to be like a show that was like hundreds of episodes but it's like six, twelve episodes or something like that. It's like that's not as bad as I thought it was going to be.
But I also read a book that I think listeners of the podcast would really enjoy. This was a guest on YAOK. They put out a book called The Last Girl's Standing. And this is a YA thriller, pseudo-harr.
It's about two girls. When they were camp counselors, a cult came and killed everybody but them. And it's been a bit I think it's about a year since those events. They are both hardcore trauma bonding.
They're dating now. They live together. And the one girl starts to find things around the house to imply that the girl that she's dating may have also been part of that cults and may have been the only reason why she was spared. And it goes from there.
I really enjoyed it. I like how it ended. My co-host from YAOK loved Alyssa, loved everything until the ending where she felt very angry. But she's like, I would still read again but it makes me mad how the book ends.
So I think it's interesting. It's definitely a conversation piece. Certainly worth reading. Jennifer Dugan is a crazy woman as far as I can tell.
The amount of books that she has knocked out in her very short career is, I think she has seven books out and she's been published all through for five years or something like that. She is stumbling into that Stephen King territory of two books a year. So I think I talked about her books last year because I read her book Hot Doll Girl that I absolutely fucking love. That was a couple years ago.
That was a couple years ago. Okay. Yeah. Whatever it was.
Light hearted coming of age story for her with that. This is a pretty damn good thriller. I knocked it out in like four days. So I highly recommend and I also highly recommend that you like share and subscribe to Hard Movie Night in your favorite podcasting app and tune in next week so you can get even more Hard Movie Night.
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