Hope in Liverpool, horror in Israel

Labour’s Conference in Liverpool is rammed and optimistic but Starmer is desperate not to look triumphalist. What must he do this week to seal the deal with Britain? Plus, as Hamas’s atrocities horrify the world, we look at what the unprecedented crisis in Israel means – the monstrous arguments that certain people think it’s OK to make – and why blue ticks are a red flag.  Dorian Lynskey, Hannah Fearn and Alex Andreou are joined by special guest Hugo Rifkind of The Times.  • “If you compare Starmer now to where Blair was in 1996, of course he’s less interesting. Because Britain is less interesting. There’s no wave of social change to ride.” – Hugo Rifkind • “There’s a really dirty election ahead. Forget minimum standards, the Tories are going to fight from the gutter.” – Alex Andreou • “Politicians here are looking at capturing in a 60 second soundbite the complexity of an 80-year conflict.” – Hannah Fearn Written and presented by Dorian Lynskey. Audio producer: Robin Leeburn. Producer: Chris Jones. Art: James Parrett. Theme music by Cornershop. Managing Editor: Jacob Jarvis. Group Editor: Andrew Harrison. OH GOD, WHAT NOW? is a Podmasters production. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices