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I just want to read this to you. Now this goes back to the issue of minimum wage. Just got this email. I own a small independent cafe.
Wife has poured hard into it for three years. No pay business losses. Great staff. Can't cut ours.
We have raised prices and we'll see how it goes. But I can only go so far into debt to keep going. Could be the end of the road. So I just tweaked that to bring her when suggested that she provide a reply.
And we'll see what happens. Certainly a lot of activity on the phones and a lot of interest in... in this issue as you just heard in the last hour. Joshua Boyle.
What's going on? I mean, what is going on? With Boyle, with the meeting with Trudeau. I mean, there's some factors here that are disturbing that are...
just weird. If you follow the chain, it goes Boyle, Zainab-Cottir, Boyle, and swing headlines in here. Omar-Cottir, Boyle, Justin Trudeau. Not in sequential order, but they're all there.
Is it all happenstance? I don't know. There are questions, many questions being asked. And the questions deserve answers.
The Prime Minister of Canada has taken some steps and made some decisions, which are unusual to say the least. Including what we talked about last weekend, and that was the returning ISIS terrorists and the Prime Minister wants to reintegrate them into Canadian society, and counsel them on their report, readings, and all of that is going to turn them into exciting and excited Canadian citizens, no doubt. His decision to overturn the legislation, which allowed a federal government to strip the citizenship of a convicted terrorist, if that terrorist was a dual citizen, one of the citizens being Canadian. Trudeau, you've heard the clip, we've played it.
Where he says, Convented terrorists will not have their Canadian citizenship removed. That is just too strange. That really is strange. He's made some decisions that require some real investigation, and we will provide you with a, I'm looking for the information on an interview we're going to do tomorrow, I'll find it.
And I know you want to hear what we'll be doing. So let's get out of this Boyle Trudeau issue, what's really going on? And I want to hear the view of a prosecutor and a security expert, Scott Newirk, who writes for Frontline Magazine, former Alberta prosecutor, security advisor to the governments of Ontario and Canada, now a security policy analyst and adjunct professor at Simon Fraser University. Somebody's got analytical skills as far as understanding and deducing the reality out of clues at Sherlock Newirk.
Where do you as a prosecutor begin? When you look at what's going on, he's got criminal charges against him now. Where do you begin? I think that's probably the point you make.
You and I talked about this guy, shortly after he and his wife and kids returned from Pakistan. They're about just how strange this guy was, and the relationship with Zainab Catter and the same kind of thing with Catterfam. You can never believe any of this coming out of their mouth. And we both sort of concluded at the time that, you know, stay tuned, folks, it's likely more to come with this guy.
And now as it turns out, there is this meeting with the Prime Minister, which we should talk about. And then at the very end of the year, it was revealed that he has been charged with, I think it's a total of about 15 charges, assault to count the sexual assault and awful confinement, uttering threats, obstructing police. And so there's these two new developments, both of which are separate to each other, but of course related, because he had his meeting with Trudeau a couple of weeks before the charges were actually laid against him. Let me just start with that, because frankly, there's a lot of people trying to figure out what's going on.
Some people were suggesting that this was a long investigation. I actually doubt that that's the case. And that, you know, the other same piece should have known about this and notified Trudeau and putting that aside for a second, just the fact of our Prime Minister having a meeting with this guy, who is, let's face it, and I mean, read what he says and what he's posted and everything else, he is a supporter of the Taliban. Okay, that is, in large measure, why he was where he was, he and his wife got abducted by the Al-Qaeda network, which are frankly like his off in the case in the Islamist world, you know, a bunch of thugs operating in the undercover.
That's not counting that word, right? Operating in effect undercover, not the Taliban, that he was in fact supportive of them, his common sense then. So here's a guy who's a supporter of the Taliban. The Taliban is a lifted terrorist entity under Canadian law.
Why would our Prime Minister meet with someone who is a supporter of a lifted terrorist entity? And it's open knowledge, I mean, this isn't hidden information. Correct. And not only that way, the Taliban has been responsible for killing Canadian soldiers.
What kind of a message does that send to the Canadian public and the military that he would meet with this person? Yeah, and after all our corner was in the news and still remains in the news on the $10.5 million payment, upset Canadians from coast to coast to coast. And deservedly so. And deservedly so.
So now you're going to meet with a guy who is married to Omar Carter's sister. And let's just be clear about these two folks. This was not, you know, Justin and Joshua meeting at a Starbucks somewhere. They were meeting in the Prime Minister's office on Parliament Hill, hello, which we all as taxpayers pay for.
This was Justin Trudeau representing Canadians as the Prime Minister of Canada meeting with this guy. And he hasn't met, for example, with the families of the two men, the two Canadians who were killed in the Philippines. I imagine that, yes, exactly. So, we're going to be talking with family member tomorrow, by the way.
The contract is quite, OK, so why would he do that? And I'll tell you, the only thing that strikes me is quite odd. This was not publicized by the Prime Minister's office. It was not on his daily itinerary.
The only reason people knew about it was because Boyle put it on his Twitter account, which by the way, his name for it, his boils versus the world, resting. And made a reference to the fact that he had actually previously, this is not the first time that he had met with Justin Trudeau. He had actually met with him previously in the past. And specifically, it said, incidentally, not our first meeting with Justin Trudeau.
That was in 06 in Toronto over other common interests. Ha, ha. I'd like to know what those were. Well, you know what?
There's a very good article today by Adrian Humphries in the National Post about this guy's background. And I had always thought that he got to know Zainab Catter around 2008, 2009, when he showed up for the protest about Omar Catter being detained in Guantanamo Bay. But Adrian reports, in fact, he met the Catter family. And Zainab Catter specifically, back in 2006, when the Toronto 18 were charged and they were going to court and the Catter family was in court supporting the terrorists, that's where he went.
That's where he met. Zainab Catter was in 2006. Did maybe Justin Trudeau meet her too? I did, boy, there's a very uncomfortable feeling.
You get a very uncomfortable feeling when you put all of these factors together. And then you add the peripheral stuff that I mentioned at the beginning of the hour, you start to become extremely curious. Well, at the very least, I think it shows an alarming lack of judgment on the part of our prime minister. And I just didn't know this.
What about his advisors? What about his advisors? Well, yes, if he listens to anybody, or if they all think like he does, or if this is just another example, I think this guy is in the news, people are sympathetic for him. I want to show the world what a sympathetic guy I am.
You know, Scott, I was also thinking of when Mr. Trudeau decided to remove the CF-18s from the coalition bombings of ISIS. Immediately after were the international defense ministers met on what to do about ISIS and they uninvited Canada, or they refused to invite Canada. And I've heard just rumors over the last year or so about Canada being slow in getting information that our allies are not particularly enthusiastic about providing all of the information.
And I've talked to people who are really quite well informed about what's going on. And they have more questions now than they have answers to. Well, it's interesting that I have to tell you that I've heard exactly the same thing about the supposed rescue of Joshua Boyle and Caitlyn Coleman in Pakistan, that the Americans were behind it and they didn't tell us until it was already underway for the reasons you're mentioning. The other point just to talk about it.
Can you hang on a sec? I have to take a break. Yes, sir. OK, Scott New York is with us, former Crown of Attorney in Alberta.
And he is a security, international security expert who was a security consultant to the federal government of Canada and the Ontario government. And he's a security policy analyst now and adjunct professor at Simon Fraser University, more from Scott after this. Do you guys hear the vote? You get the horn?
It's the Roy Green Show on the chorus radio network. I certainly do not intend to allow a brutal and sacrilegious gang of criminal miscreants to dictate the future direction of my family, nor to weaken my family's commitment to do the right thing, no matter the cost. In the final analysis, it is the intentions of our actions, not their consequences, on which we shall all eventually be judged. That is the voice of one Joshua Boyle.
Not so long ago, Scott New York, former Crown of Attorney, in Alberta and international security expert, consulted with the government of Canada, the government of Ontario, and is now a security policy analyst and adjunct professor at Simon Fraser University. You hear that voice, you hear that phrase, heology? It's just odd. Yes.
It's very, it's disturbing. Yeah, we got back and the fact that don't be surprised if he's back in the news and he is not only for the meeting with the Prime Minister, which is beyond strange, but he's also now charged with, I believe, 15 counts as we just previously. But you're not getting the feeling, Scott, that he wants to be the news? Yeah, I think he is narcissistic to the point that he can control things.
Yeah, because you got that impression with the McLean's interview. Yeah, and I thought quite telling, and that was their comments on the way he was verbally abusive to his wife, OK? And now he's got all these charges, and I've never seen, I haven't seen the criminal information, so I'm only going on what I've seen in the media. But supposedly it covers a span from literally the day after he arrived, where they were staying in his parents' place in Smith Falls to December the 30th, OK?
If that's the case and there were incidents back in October, that means they would have occurred at his parents' home most likely. We're not supposed to speculate. That's who the victim could be, right? Well, it's not a question not to be.
You're not allowed to report on who it is. I mean, I appreciate this as Canada, but we're still allowed to speculate. And the other thing that really strikes me about that as well, too, I did a little digging around, and it turns out, by remarkable coincidence, that his wife, Caitlyn Coleman's parents from Pennsylvania were actually up in Ottawa at the time when the police responded to the call. I think that may be something more than a coincidence.
When I look at all of this, and I look at these charges, and I look at this guy's behavior, and his wife's seeming inability to stand up to him as well, too, it struck me in its ironic because of his relationship with the catar family. I certainly hope that we protect the children as a priority. We didn't do that with the catar family. We knew that those kids were being subjected to indoctrination into an Islamic death cult that we did nothing.
And look at the results, let's not do that again. Let's not let those children be put at risk. Yeah. You know, a lot of people are speculating.
First of all, we know he's a control freak. You got that. I mean, that's pretty obvious. But a lot of people are speculating that he really wasn't a kidnapped victim.
And again, when I read the McClain's Beast, and I read the piece that you mentioned a few minutes ago, when a kidnapped victim shouts at his captors, and instructs them how to properly pray, and how to conduct themselves, that kidnapped victim under being held by an organization like the Hacani Network or the Taliban, is likely going to be not around for very long. So I have a lot of questions about that entire time in Afghanistan, and then supposedly Pakistan. And there's so many questions that need to be answered. Let me just bring it back to being the prosecutor.
You've got all of this on your table now, and you have to take this the next step. Do you think the Prime Minister should have spoken about the visit with Boyle? What has gotten to work one next? Based on the facts of the complaint that are made by the statement of whoever the individual was, I want to know what the evidence is that I've got, and I'm going to go to court and stay the hell out of the way, Justin Trudeau.
Because this is called the rule of law, and this individual is going to be prosecuted according to the evidence, and the laws of Canada. And just because this guy thinks he may have coached, he didn't got an angle with you, that has nothing to do with the rule of law. Would you have concerns with the prosecutor that the Prime Minister of Canada might try to interfere? No.
At least, I can't imagine that at all. I can't imagine that. But you know, it's very interesting to make that point, because that is the way these kinds of people think. I've had direct involvement in advising ministers over the years of being careful about who they met with.
One area was in relation to Chinese espionage, and other was in relation to Islamist groups that love to get together with a politician, a public official, so they can have that picture taken just in case five years later. Maybe they run a investigation, the public official might go, ooh, I'm in the same picture that guy. Maybe we shouldn't be prosecuting. All the way these guys think.
Yeah. Can you hold on? Yeah, sure. OK.
We're going to take a break and come back with Scott Newark. There's so much more that has to be offered here. By the way, tomorrow, Tom Quicken is going to be my guest. He's the author of submission, the danger of political Islam to Canada with a warning to America.
Tom Quicken is an international expert on terrorism and on security. So Tom will be my guest tomorrow, and we'll talk about that book. War with Scott Newark, and then we'll take him phone calls on the Roy Green Show on Global News Radio. Think you can swim with the sharks.
Tom with Mr. Great White himself, Roy Green. The Roy Green Show on the Chorus Radio Network. So have a listen again to Joshua Boyle.
Listen to how he speaks. Listen to what? Listen to the inflections. Just listen to the voice.
Close your eyes unless you're driving. And just listen. I certainly do not intend to allow a brutal and stat religious gang of criminal miscreants to dictate the future direction of my family, nor to weaken my family's commitment to do the right thing, no matter the cost. In the final analysis, it is the intentions of our actions, not their consequences, in which we shall all eventually be judged.
It is the intentions of our actions, not their consequences, on which we shall all eventually be judged. Who talks like that? How can Bing has got Newark? Go ahead.
Isn't that an insight? My intentions transcend all else, and your judgments are immaterial. That's what I say. It's this combination, I think, of the arrogance and narcissism that is very telling about this guy.
What's developing is just, I think, probably two manifestations of it in a meeting with Trudeau, and also these criminal charges. I tell you, one of the things about the meeting with Trudeau, I mentioned in a couple of interviews that I did. I think I probably speak for the majority of Canadians, and I say there better not be any announcement of a $10.5 million payoff to this guy, because we didn't do enough to get him returned from captivity. Well, I haven't heard that he has a lawyer yet.
Yeah, I guess if Dennis goes up, yeah, we should be a little concerned. Would you take that as a legitimate pointer to be concerned about or concerned about? Actually, no, just because I think it's so outrageous. I would say not, although I can't imagine, sitting here, I cannot imagine how the Prime Minister of Canada would have a meeting with somebody who is in order of a designated terrorist entity, Canadian soldiers.
So I'm finding it less and less able, or myself less and less able to actually predict what it is that he's motivating the Prime Minister and why he does what he does. So would you say then that Mr. Trudeau has a responsibility to get up and explain to Canadians why he had this meeting with the oil? Yeah, and I think that what happened in 06 is that he will be asked those questions on the standard of responses, which is I'm not allowed to comment because of privacy interests or also these are now matters before the court, so we can't comment.
And he goes on his national tour in a couple of days. The Prime Minister not boiled. Yes. I hope you know, boils are probably not far.
Unfortunately, he is in custody. It'll be very interesting to see. Supposedly on Monday, there's going to be what sounds like potentially agreed upon bail conditions. It will be very interesting if we're able to actually get any of those conditions known, because that should give some insights into the charges as well.
This is almost, this is just too strange to take apart and put together again. It just doesn't make any sense. There's nothing conventional about this. And what really again is the cherry on top of the, pick your own substance, is the meeting with the Prime Minister of Canada and Boyle saying that they'd met before in 06 and had mutual interests.
So notice by the Prime Minister, why would Justin Trudeau meet with Joshua Boyle? Why? Why? I think that's a question that appropriately asked and needs to be answered.
Because he won't. He's had no meetings with the families of Robert Hall and John Ridsdale. Correct. And when I spoke with the, with Benice Thomas, who's the sister of Robert Hall, she told me that Trudeau called when the death of her brother was announced.
And she said he sounded like he was reading, just a script, a statement of condolence. But she said he sounded like he was reading it. And when he was done, he hung up. That was it.
He was done. He was gone. The choices we make, frankly, offer insights into values and motivations. And I think this is the kind of, I think this, as we talked about many times before, the payoff to Omar Carter, which he has never explained to people why it was that he felt obliged that the government had to make the payoff.
He simply refuses to do that. Well, he said he didn't want to pay 40 million, right? Right, right. He said he didn't want to pay 40 million later.
Yeah, because he doesn't say what the basis is. No, I know. I know. I know.
I know. I know. You know? And now we've got this guy who it seems like is trying to play a card.
And even, you know, gain some leverage over the prime minister in having this meeting. And by the way, the information I've seen is that it was boiled at ask for the meeting. And the prime minister's office agreed. You know, are we, are people thinking things, wondering things that they're not going to say?
Because there's a line that you don't cross when it comes to somebody in a particularly high office without really substantial evidence. And I'm not suggesting there is any lying around. People will say things or speculate things about others without any evidence whatsoever, just the beginning of a conversation and you're going to social media. You know, you've seen it.
But are we pulling back because it's just infrudil? No, I don't. I mean, I think in one sense, it's a positive sign that people instinctively are going to the position that you're a public official and that's why I made the point that he met on Parliament Hill representing Canadians. I have a right there for to know why you did that.
And I expect you to answer those questions. But if he doesn't, and he hasn't. And that I think is what is going to, I think, ever the optimist, I think that is going to have some political consequences for him and for the liberal party. And he was silent on what's going on in Iran.
Yes, that's a whole other subject. I know, but people start to drag them together. You know, people start to reach out. We all start to reach out.
And we look for common denominators. When we try to come up with a conclusion, when we try to come up with a picture that makes sense to us, we reach out for whatever's there and sort of bring it in and then sample it, and try to make something, try to make a picture out of the jigsaw puzzle. But that think of things like accountable public officials, okay, and having a process whereby people ask him questions equally the importance of the media. There has been analytical reporting by the media on this.
Okay, and I think that underscores the importance of the media in a free democratic society. These are questions that are legitimate questions that the person involved at the Prime Minister needs to answer. If Trudeau doesn't meet with Boyle, we're not having this conversation. I think we would have still been having a conversation because of the criminal charges against him.
Yeah, but we're not having this conversation. We're not having this conversation. It would be a different conversation. But it's still something that would be relevant because this is somebody who is now virtually immediately upon his return to Canada appears to have been engaged in illegal harmful activity against other people.
Let me ask one more question. Yeah. How does this play with other countries, governments and other countries leaders and other countries, military intelligence and their intelligence services? How does it play with other security people globally?
How do they see this? How will they be reacting to it? What are the questions they're asking? How great an interest is it to others internationally?
He definitely is. He's not the only time this has occurred. Look at the approval of the sale of security related technology companies to Chinese. That's right.
The Americans were not exactly pleased about that. As the other countries not been. You mentioned some of our military decisions. The same thing occurs.
Actions or inactions by government leaders have consequences. In watching the way, this government dealt, for example, with Omar Cottar or Du La Malke and those guys and making these payouts, people notice. And they wonder whether or not there is a government that is frankly motivated appropriately and trustworthy. And yes, people are paying attention to this stuff.
I guarantee you. That's not over in my long shot. That's correct. Not over in my long shot.
Now, Boyle has a court appearance on Monday. And he's asking for bail. Yes. So we'll maybe know more on Monday.
Who knows? He may blab something. You never know. He's got pretty good counsel.
And they will be looking to get him out. And the conditions on which he is released, if they are made, if there is any sort of a public attention to them, may give some insight as to the substance of the charges. And as I say, above all else, I certainly hope that we learn the lesson of what we didn't do with the catter kids. Because if those kids are at risk in being implicated into this guy's mindset, I think that he's demonstrated.
And those kids deserve the protection of Canadian law. It's the most unusual situation that I can remember involving this country's leadership in my life. I hope you put it. I'm sure be more careful with my question for a gentleman.
Mr. New York, it's always a pleasure to speak with you and it's informative. Thanks for the time. Scott Nework, on the Royal Green Show, former Alberta prosecutor, security advisor to the government of Ontario and Canada, security policy analyst now.
Also writes for Frontline Magazine and an adjunct professor at Simon Fraser University. Now, next hour, we're going to begin with Ken Temerman. He's the president and the CEO of the Foundation for Democracy in Iran. He was also a Nobel Peace Prize nominee in 2006.
And Ken Temerman is going to be talking to us about what's going on in Iran from his perspective and his knowledge base. And the progressive elites in the world have kept their mouths tightly shut, which is disturbing, but not unexpected. I don't know what to ask you. I really don't because I don't know what to make of this situation with Boyle and Trudeau.
And then there's the sort of the Carter's specter hanging over it, with Boyle having been married to a warmer, Carter's sister. Of course, Omar has been in the news a lot recently. These are separate issues. But somehow when you look at the meeting between Boyle and Justin Trudeau, you can't help but, at least I can't help but wonder.
And what was it they found so communally interesting in 2006? What was Justin Trudeau doing in 2006? I think Mr Trudeau, you should really speak about what this was about. Don't try to throw it away.
Well, sound advice will be don't try to talk your way out of it. 800-263-2428, 1-800-263-2428. Big deal or no big deal? Big deal for Canada or no big deal?
800-263-2428. Now, I'll just ask that and then you can expand a bit if you wish. This is a big deal for Canada or no big deal that the Prime Minister met with Joshua Boyle and, you know, 800-263-2428. What do you got to say?
We'll come back.