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The Roy Green Show on the Chorus Radio Network. Email address at Roy at RoyGreenShow.com and Twitter is at the Roy Green Show. I was reading a story on GlobalNews.ca by Amy Joud. Raymond Casey sentenced a life in prison for killing Sir Reeteen, Sirina Vermeerich, and here's the story about Casey.
He does 22 years in prison, 22 years. Certain entire sentence for a violent sexual assault and kidnapping in 1991. Then there are go-to-release and he tells the parole board, I think maybe you better not, better keep me in for a few more years, or the parole board or the system cuts him loose, and now there's a 14-year-old who's dead, and Casey's going back to prison. When he's back in prison.
And it's a life sentence with a minimum of 17 years. My good friend Scott Nework and I have been talking about justice issues. For the last 25 years anyway, and Scott's responsible for everything that I've learned about the justice system, former Alberta prosecutor, executive officer for the Canadian Police Association, president of the Office for Victims of Crime in Ontario, and now adjunct professor at Simon Fraser University. We've talked about people Scott who've had 70 criminal convictions, they're still let out, more than 70 criminal convictions, and I wish that I could say this Casey story is one of a kind.
I've seen it before, but I'm really, really sad for the loss of the 14-year-old, but really sad as well that these things continue. Yeah, this actually 17, but this guy is unique in one sense because he was actually kept for his full sentence. He was deemed to be so dangerous and so likely to re-offend that he was never released. That's very, very rare.
And what is, I think, a particular note in this case is that in the old days, when you and I first started talking, literally there was nothing the system could do. Once somebody had reached the end of their sentence, the war to expiry date, we literally had to wait for another victim before the state could intervene. And as you, I'm sure remember, Joe Frederick's case of the guy who was a repeat criminal who ended up abducting and raping and murdering a 12-year-old boy, Christopher Stevenson, that focused attention on this, that just simply wasn't good enough. And we actually changed the laws back in the 90s.
We created specialized orders. I was very much involved in it because I had some experience with stuff as a prosecutor. And literally changed the laws to create these specialized orders called peace bonds or preventive reconnaissance, so that if somebody was still deemed to be dangerous at the end of their sentence, you could put this order on a guy, and it was just like a parole order or probation order with one major difference, a distinction from a parole order. If you reach the conditions of your release, that was a crime and we could send you back to jail.
When I testified on the bill, I actually referred to it as life on the installment plan. And this guy, I did some digging around. This guy was kept for his police issue, high risk offender, which is a flag that they have likely got one of these orders, and in fact they must have. He's released in March 2013 in June, the correct PT corrections in January of 2014.
He's found guilty of breach over conicence. Okay, that means one of those orders was put on him, but you know what, Roy, you know what sentence he got? Could have got, under which he could have got for and by not. And in the Frederick's case, I will never forget this, the Justice Minister, and he was, Justice Minister and Solicitor General combined.
I can't remember his name, it's not terrible. It doesn't matter. I've been speaking with Christopher's dad and lawyer. And the Justice Minister, we give him a hard time on the air, so the Justice Minister's press secretary called.
He said, Minister wants to come in and straighten you out. So the Minister came into the studio and we had been talking about Christopher's fate at the hands of Joseph Fredericks for about a week. And people were really, really energized. And so the Justice Minister, Solicitor General, really took it from my callers, really took it.
And I went to generally on him either. And as he was leaving, according to his press secretary, who called me that night. And one of the things that they were upset about, people were upset about, was the federal government wasn't going to be paying for the family's legal representation of the inquiry. They said, no, the federal government's lawyers can handle the family's concerns as well as ours.
Well, the Minister said to his press secretary, I really took it in there, didn't I? And the press secretary said, yes, Minister, you did. And the Minister said, I deserved it. Get me on the air with Roy Green again tomorrow.
He came on the show and I have to say this because it's a politician who lived up to what he said he would do. Alan Rock. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, but we're getting there. Two federal ministers.
Yeah, I know they were, but not the one I'm thinking of. Anyway, he called and he said, we are going to be paying the legal expenses for the family, it's even some family for the inquest or the inquiry. And I can assure you, when your listeners, the law is going to change. The law is going to change.
And he worked hard. Now, this is awful. I can't remember his name. Well, if it's in the wine business in California now, I think he's in the wine business in California now.
Don't know who you mean because the inquest was originally. Yeah, well, I'll find his name's going. And that however is relevant because, for example, this guy should not have been released on the reconnaissance. You can put conditions on it so it couldn't just live in downtown Surrey.
Yeah. Okay. They should have had electronic monitoring on it. What I think is necessary here is for the province of British Columbia to repeat what the province of Ontario did in that inquest, whether they do it as an inquest, whether they do it as a judicial inquiry or a special inquiry, to look at the circumstances of how this guy was in the position to commit the crime that he did.
Because we can create the legislative tools, but if the entities within the system, the crown, the courts don't use the tools, then the public doesn't get to protect it. Well, it's the weakest link analogy. Well, it's very frustrating because if you, I mean, we actually change the law to create tools to deal with a guy like this, and for whatever reason, the justice system didn't use them. And now there's a young girl that's dead as a result.
And it won't be the last time, unless they exchange. And that's just why I mentioned the story about the minister who's named the judge for me. But it's going to take somebody, or more than one person, in a position of real power in the justice system, who says, enough. Well, personally enough, shining a light on things is a good way to get stuff done.
And that's why there should be these kinds of questions asked and answered. Why were the available tools not used? Okay, it's not just about changing laws. The people who are within the justice system, the officials, have to use the tools that we have crafted to be able to take advantage of them for public safety.
And they need to answer when they don't. Yes, leader. Scott, thank you very much. Appreciate it always.
Scott Newrich, who's worked so hard for crime victims in this country for so long. He's gone a long way to educating people in my business and the media in Canada about the justice system. In an invaluable resource. Former Crown Attorney who felt confined by that role and wanted to get out and make a fingerprint and he certainly done that.
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