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The loss of blur is no less painful today than when it was realized five years ago. Like any parent that loses a child, we can only move forward with the thoughts of what might have been. There's some Clayton Babcock talking about his daughter and the verdict yesterday, the first-degree murder convictions of both Del Marlard and Mark Smitch. It is always horrific for the parents to stand up and talk about their kids and talk about the brutal thugs who took their lives.
It's spent a lot of time in the company of the French family and the Muhaffy family after the murders of their daughters and the trial of Bernardo and unfortunately, I'm almost never really held to account, but the family suffers so horribly. And I'm allired in the Lord of Abcott trial, of course, activist his own lawyer. And I imagine he in some deplorable way enjoyed questioning Mr. Babcock.
Alex Pearson is my friend. She's my colleague at Global News Radio, Global Talk Radio, and our program is on point on Global News Radio, Monday to Friday evening. And Alex covered the first trial of Muhlard in Smitch day after day after day. That was on the death of the murder of Tim Bosma of Ancaster, and she's been observing this particular trial also as a broadcaster.
And with great interest. I'm sure Alex wasn't going to be possible for you to just observe the second trial without having a lot of personal feelings after seeing the first trial on a day-by-day basis, personal feelings about these two individuals who've been for the second time, convicted of first-degree murder. Well, they're garbage. They always weren't garbage.
And because I covered the Bosma trial, I knew a lot of the evidence going into this trial, pretty much all of it. And all of it was covered under a sweeping publication ban. So it was a very difficult trial to cover because we couldn't talk about what we knew, essentially. And so that's what made it such a difficult process to go through, because we as a media knew so much more than what we were being told, that what we were allowed to tell.
And so we had to wait. And now I think over the next week, you'll start to hear other stories coming out of what the jury did know, what the jury did know. And there's just so many complex stories that will leave a lot of people wondering, you know, what the hell is going on? Why don't we know these things?
But they were two trials that had to be protected from one another in order for really justice to be served. And I never doubted that this jury would come back with first-degree. I know people were worried because it was taking a long time, but I wasn't worried. It's because they needed time to go through both of the accused and come really to the same decision.
It does take time. So how long did you spend covering the Timbazma trial? Five and a half months, every day. Every day seeing these two individuals knowing what they did.
And you also spoke with Timbazma's widow. Well, it seems as if in that trial, the Basma army, as they came known, we all sat in the same seat every single day, not one person out of the media, nor the Basma family, sat in any other seat. It was just a very kind of weird thing. It took on a leg of its own.
And so, yeah, we got to know Charlene. She tends to be a little bit standoffish. But the family itself hank his wife. The warmest people you can ever possibly think of knowing.
Just the nicest, nicest people. And so we all got to know each other over a series of months. And you get to know these people. And you can't help but feel very, very sorry for them.
You know, we spent a lot of time talking about the individuals who commit the crimes who were convicted, who end up going to jail hopefully for the rest of their miserable lives. But the families, they have to live with what happened day after day, week after month, year after year. And you've gotten to know the family victims' families. I've gotten to know them.
And we should spend more time really concerned about them than the thugs who are going to be given every opportunity to appeal and appear before court. Again, and Mallard's got another case coming out. Another trial coming out, right? Oh, yes.
He's got his father's trial. And that'll be in March. That's for Wayne Mallard, who's definitely initially deemed a suicide. But one clause in the case really blew wide open.
It was then that the police started to look at Hank's, or pardon me, Wayne's death. And then started looking at his missing person, Laura Babcock, Hurricane. It was really the Tim Baughton case that broke all of this open. But you're right.
The families go through hell and back. And it's a frustrating part of the system. And I've seen it time and time again, where the families come in and they literally, piece by piece, sentence by sentence, photo by photo, have to relive their child, their sister, their loved ones, that. And it is raw and it is horrific.
And all you can say is too bad because the system's not designed for you. In this country, courts are designed to protect and preserve the rights of the accused. But I can tell you a certainty that those who go through this process, who have lost loved ones, they go through hell. I don't know how they go through it.
I've been many times where the parole board has, or the prison system has told the victims that you must keep your victim's impact statement under certain amount of time, or we're going to edit it for you. And then the accused gets to see the victim's impact statement before it's right in court. He has to approve of it. Oh, yeah.
The victim impact statement. I know that they're so sanitized to the letter and to the T that it's almost, you get the point of why we can have them. Because, you know, it's the time, the one time that these people can actually tell and look at that person and tell them what they think. And they have to really kind of rein it in.
And, you know, it's quite, it's quite something to watch. But I can tell you with certainty, certainly with the Bozma's, and just from what I'm seeing with the Babcock family, again, such dignity, such like these people are heroes because of what they go through, how they stand up and how they compose themselves and how they speak. And certainly with the Bozma family because they are so, they believe in their faith. Their Christians, their bodfering, they relied upon that really to get them through.
And there was never any speaking of malice or hate or retribution or any of that. They are above that. You know, they know that Millard and Sinich got what they deserved. And in the end, it remained about Tim Bozma.
And this should remain about Laura Babcock because, as I mentioned, as we spoke about this yesterday, Laura really was the one that was forgotten in this. Wayne to a certain degree that certainly Laura, because we couldn't talk about her for two or three years, she couldn't be spoken about because the students, Millard and Sinich were arrested. They had to preserve the integrity of these trials. And certainly when a Bozma trial was ongoing, a lot of it was about preserving the evidence and the pros moving forward for the Laura Babcock matter.
So really, she has been forgotten in this. And I hope her family can find some peace in this now that it's over. There's something I know that is disturbing you when you find difficult to accept the way things turned out. I'd like to ask you about that.
And that is, there was an assist by a lawyer in Toronto in getting two Millard letters from his girlfriend, or two his girlfriend letters from a lawyer from prison to Christina Nuadgah. So what's the story there? We've been sitting on a story for two and a half years and it's been locked and put away under a publication ban. And this has to do with a Toronto lawyer who, you know, this should tell you everything you need to know.
His handle on Twitter was cocaine in the lawyer. And he put pictures of himself in his Lamborghini. So I guess he's made a healthy living off of who he represents. But he was initially retained by Dela Millard.
And it is believed and it is alleged that he was the one that got these letters that were such crucial, crucial evidence in the trial. But it is alleged that he would get these letters, about a hundred of them, out of the jail from Millard, give them to his mother. And then the mom would give them to Christina Nuadgah. And in these letters is such unbelievable writing.
In one of them, they talked about Millard talking himself, but he doesn't want the jury to know that he's a psychopath. And it gives directions to Nuadgah how she should testify, what witness she should talk to, how she should tell the stories. I mean, it's a clear obstruction of justice. And these letters were going out of the jail to this woman.
And there are an awful lot of people who should be hanging their heads and chain. Yeah, that's awful. That's awful. That's awful.
It really was. It's been successful. Have these letters never been found, first of all? And had Christy Nuadgah followed the letters to the T.
I mean, she lied every which way to Sunday. But have these letters not become evident? There's every chance that these guys would have walked, do you imagine? And by the way, this lawyer has never been suspended, penalized, lost, and I don't know why he was there.
And by the way, if you decide, lost, I will talk. It is a shame and a complete disgrace to the profession. And I can tell you, from speaking to a lot of lawyers, they're disgusted by it. You know, I'm getting a flashback.
I'm getting a flashback to Karl Amulka. Yeah, absolutely. Look, I know it's the law. I know that the Lord had the right to defend himself.
I know that. I know all that. But I found it absolutely abhorrent that a man who is already convicted of first degree murder, and there's obviously very little doubts among most people that he's going to be found guilty, or that he committed the murder of Laura Bapcock. And that's the right to create his own little private inquisition of Laura Bapcock's father in the courtroom.
That's just mind-numbing. Yeah, it's not a person I've seen a couple of people represent themselves, and they do so with the help of the court, which means they get a lawyer appointed to them at our cost to help them through. But now when the Lord's lost all his money after the bars, he had very high price lawyers going into that trial. And during that trial, but once the conviction came down, a judge froze the assets because, of course, if he's guilty of killing his father, Wayne Mallard, why the heck should that man be paying for all these expensive lawyers?
So that is state of protected, but he could have gone legally. He could have gone through that process, and he chose to represent himself. And that surprises me not at all because he's a complete narcissist, and this has never been about anybody else but Dell and Mallard. So they plead an idyllity, and yet they're playing with people because Smith created a song with lyrics.
Many people interpret as being about Laura Bapcock being killed. He didn't want to bother. Yeah, and then Laura Bapcock's former boyfriend asked to meet with Mallard, who he knew only slightly because he found on her phone bill that Aida Verlas calls, admitted to Dell and Mallard's phone when the two of them met Mallard told Sean Lerner, he ought to have a phone bill. Sean Lerner, he ought to have, quote, no reasonable expectation of finding her.
Yeah, Sean Lerner is a really unsung hero. He's a one guy outside of her family that went to police and implored them to look at this case, and they ignored it. But he knew something had gone wrong with Laura. They weren't even dating at the time, but he cared enough about her well-being that he wanted something done about it.
And again, this goes back to it was never about Laura because everyone kind of forgot about her. She was an adult adult so missing. So the police had taken seriously until Baghma was dead and then the police opened up the case and went, oh my God, and they started going back and seeing all these links and then reopening cases. This is a precedent set of cases.
It will be one for the book in so many ways. And we will start unfolding things, looking at the investigative process, who split up, who didn't do what, where was Evan Smith, where were the red flags, and it'll be a real teaching case. And certainly the murderer being his own lawyer because they were actually jurors who had no idea about the previous conviction. And when they found out in court yesterday, a couple of colleagues of my cover of the trials and handled and told me that they were like, what?
Are you kidding me? They were just appalled. We have about a minute left. Now the judge has an opportunity.
The previous judges in this country for decades or centuries really haven't had. It's just fairly recent law, changing the law. He can choose to sentence these two animals, and that's not fair to animals. He can choose to sentence these two to consecutive 25-year minimum, 25 to life.
Not what's that word? Oh, you know, it's... Yes, I know. I know.
Both of them are throwing a blank on the word. But he can choose to sentence them consecutively. I have every faith in this judge that he will do the right thing, and he will sentence them accordingly. The reason, you know, they can automatic 25.
It doesn't matter. They're like, they're going to jail for life. But again, you don't... You want these people getting eligibility up parole so that they can drag the family once again through this program.
No, no, because that happened. Because Alex, that happened time and again when we had sex in 745, 15 years later, the parents were backed into the courtroom. Yes, I know. It's cases that I did 20 years ago that I think all of them are gone and done.
Now I'm just going into the parole here. There again. Yeah. Alex, thank you very much.
Congratulations on the new show. It sounds great. You sound great. Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you. I'm glad you're my colleague. Thank you.
I'm my honor. Thank you. Take care. We'll come back in a minute.
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