Hour 4: Kidnapping for Dummies | 02-05-26

Lionel dives deep into the baffling disappearance of Nancy, the elderly mother of NBC’s Savannah Guthrie. Drawing on his background as a former prosecutor, Lionel dissects the logistics of "asportation" and why kidnapping an 84-year-old woman makes zero sense for a rational criminal. Listeners call in with wild theories ranging from botched robberies to inside jobs involving the maid, while Lionel explains why sending a ransom note to TMZ is the mark of an amateur. Between debates on DNA evidence and luminol, the show takes detours into old-school wrestling trivia and the hilarity of criminals who think they are invisible. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices