EPISODE · Jan 7, 2026 · 22 MIN
How a Theater Professor Turned Business Into a Quest with Paul Eric Pape
from Milestone Moments in Business & Leadership
What happens when your side gig makes more than your stable $45K job? Paul Eric Pape—"Santa for Nerds" who's designed for Disney, Universal, and Nickelodeon—faced that exact choice. His wife gave him one year. Within four months, something happened that changed everything.Here's what most creatives get wrong about pricing: they're competing with the wrong companies. Paul reveals why the moment he stopped doing one specific thing, his worst customers disappeared and the right clients started showing up willing to pay premium prices.But there's a bigger problem killing creative businesses before they start. It has nothing to do with talent or market demand. Paul shares the counterintuitive business model that consultants told him would fail—yet it's been his secret weapon for two decades.Ready to stop grinding and start leveling up? Tune in to discover why Paul calls himself a wizard instead of an artist, what "bend, don't break" really means when clients ask for the impossible, and the role-playing game principle that makes boring business tasks actually completable.To connect with Paul Eric Pape:Website: GamifyBusiness.comFree book sample: GamifyBusiness.com/podcast (first two chapters of The Creative Player's Handbook to Business)Social media: @PaulPapeDesignsTEDx Talk: "Santa for Nerds"Stay connected!Subscribe to Sheila's newsletter for:Early access to upcoming episodes and eventsExpanded strategies and resourcesDirect connection with Sheila for questions and supportSubscribe to the Newsletter: https://fivemilestones.kit.com/newsletter Connect on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sheilaslick/ Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@fivemilestonesFor more information, visit:Sheila Slick: https://sheilaslick.comFive Milestones: https://fivemilestones.com/show/Sponsored by: https://PodToBook.ai | Turn Your Podcast Conversations into a Book
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