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EPISODE · Apr 16, 2026 · 1H 2M

How Do You Design a Meaningful Life | Bill Burnett & Dave Evans - EP 755

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What if the reason you feel unfulfilled is that you’ve been approaching it all wrong?In this episode of Passion Struck, I sit down with Bill Burnett and Dave Evans, the visionary minds behind Stanford's Life Design Lab and co-authors of How to Live a Meaningful Life. We tackle one of personal growth’s biggest myths: that meaning is something you find.Instead, Bill and Dave present a groundbreaking concept—meaning is something you design.We delve into why high-achievers often feel "fine but empty," why success doesn’t guarantee fulfillment, and how our transactional world traps us in outcomes over experiences. Our conversation uncovers a transformative framework for building a meaningful life through small experiments, curiosity, and intentional action, all without drastic life changes.This conversation will change how you think about purpose, passion, and what it really means to live fully alive.Passion Struck is the #1 alternative health and personal growth podcast dedicated to human flourishing and the science of mattering.Check the full show notes here: https://passionstruck.com/designing-a-meaningful-life/Explore companion insights for this episode at: https://www.theignitedlife.net/p/stop-planning-your-life-start-wayfindingThank You to Our SponsorsLimited Time Offer – Check out Function Health—160+ lab tests a year for $365. Join at https://www.functionhealth.com/tcm/passion or use gift code PASSION25 for a $25 credit toward your membership.Connect with JohnKeynotes, books, podcast, and resources: https://linktr.ee/John_R_MilesChildren’s Book — You Matter, Luma: https://youmatterluma.com/Pre-Order The Mattering Effect: https://matteringeffect.com/We also dive into:Why many feel “fine” outwardly, yet unfulfilled insideDistinguishing meaning, fulfillment, and happiness—and avoiding the confusionWhy “follow your passion” can mislead—and the better alternativeUsing design thinking and prototyping to cultivate purposeThe contrast between transactional and flow worlds—and where true meaning residesHow actions, rather than waiting, create clarityThe impact of small moments of awe and curiosity on lasting meaningThe vital role of community in the journey to meaningSupport the MovementEvery human deserves to feel seen, valued, and like they matter.Wear it. Live it. Show it. https://StartMattering.comDisclaimerThe Passion Struck podcast is for educational and entertainment purposes only. The views and opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of Passion Struck or its affiliates. This podcast is not a substitute for professional medical or psychological advice.Pre-Order The Mattering Effect: https://matteringeffect.com/. Take the 90-second diagnostic to see if you're disappearing.Explore the Show: https://passionstruck.com/starter-packs/. New to Passion Struck? Start with the best episodes curated for you.Connect with JohnWebsite: https://johnrmiles.comBook John to Speak: https://johnrmiles.com/speaking/Substack: https://www.theignitedlife.net/Children’s Book — You Matter, Luma: https://youmatterluma.com/Support the Movement: https://startmattering.com/. Every human deserves to feel seen, valued, and like they matter. Wear it. Live it. Show it.Passion Struck — #1 Alternative Health Podcast. 85M+ downloads.DisclaimerThe Passion Struck podcast is for educational and entertainment purposes only. The views and opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of Passion Struck or its affiliates. This podcast is not a substitute for professio

What if the reason you feel unfulfilled is that you’ve been approaching it all wrong?In this episode of Passion Struck, I sit down with Bill Burnett and Dave Evans, the visionary minds behind Stanford's Life Design Lab and co-authors of How to Live a Meaningful Life. We tackle one of personal growth’s biggest myths: that meaning is something you find.Instead, Bill and Dave present a groundbreaking concept—meaning is something you design.We delve into why high-achievers often feel "fine but empty," why success doesn’t guarantee fulfillment, and how our transactional world traps us in outcomes over experiences. Our conversation uncovers a transformative framework for building a meaningful life through small experiments, curiosity, and intentional action, all without drastic life changes.This conversation will change how you think about purpose, passion, and what it really means to live fully alive.Passion Struck is the #1 alternative health and personal growth podcast dedicated to human flourishing and the science of mattering.Check the full show notes here: https://passionstruck.com/designing-a-meaningful-life/Explore companion insights for this episode at: https://www.theignitedlife.net/p/stop-planning-your-life-start-wayfindingThank You to Our SponsorsLimited Time Offer – Check out Function Health—160+ lab tests a year for $365. Join at https://www.functionhealth.com/tcm/passion or use gift code PASSION25 for a $25 credit toward your membership.Connect with JohnKeynotes, books, podcast, and resources: https://linktr.ee/John_R_MilesChildren’s Book — You Matter, Luma: https://youmatterluma.com/Pre-Order The Mattering Effect: https://matteringeffect.com/We also dive into:Why many feel “fine” outwardly, yet unfulfilled insideDistinguishing meaning, fulfillment, and happiness—and avoiding the confusionWhy “follow your passion” can mislead—and the better alternativeUsing design thinking and prototyping to cultivate purposeThe contrast between transactional and flow worlds—and where true meaning residesHow actions, rather than waiting, create clarityThe impact of small moments of awe and curiosity on lasting meaningThe vital role of community in the journey to meaningSupport the MovementEvery human deserves to feel seen, valued, and like they matter.Wear it. Live it. Show it. https://StartMattering.comDisclaimerThe Passion Struck podcast is for educational and entertainment purposes only. The views and opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of Passion Struck or its affiliates. This podcast is not a substitute for professional medical or psychological advice.Pre-Order The Mattering Effect: https://matteringeffect.com/. Take the 90-second diagnostic to see if you're disappearing.Explore the Show: https://passionstruck.com/starter-packs/. New to Passion Struck? Start with the best episodes curated for you.Connect with JohnWebsite: https://johnrmiles.comBook John to Speak: <a...

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