How Far Will You Go to Make Room For Someone?

We just got back from England, where churches stand on nearly every corner… and yet so many people have never actually encountered Jesus.Greg and Tonya talk about the difference between “here’s a place to sit” and “come sit with me.” They dig into why the word “religion” itself can become a wall, what people really mean when they say “I’m not religious,” and how genuine relationship—not more programs or prettier buildings—creates the kind of access that changes everything.From a widower who just wanted to die, to a woman with tattoos talking about angels in the park, to the quiet work of preparing the ground so the seed can actually take root… this conversation gets honest about the barriers we don’t always see and the comfort zones we have to leave if we want others to feel at ease enough to meet Jesus.Pull up a chair. This one’s worth listening all the way through.CHAPTERS 00:00:00 – Opening Banter and the Real Question00:02:46 – England: Churches Everywhere, Understanding Nowhere00:05:06 – Jesus as a Person, Not Just a Feeling00:14:57 – Visible Access vs. Meaningful Access00:26:47 – “Places to Sit” or “Come Sit With Me”?00:27:21 – When the Word “Religion” Becomes the Barrier00:38:27 – Preparing the Ground and Leaving Comfort Zones00:49:34 – Listening for Stories and Lowering the Walls