But I remember circling around to... For real, the first round, circling around to where I thought the announcers were. Yeah. I know what Joe Rogan's saying about me.
Ha ha ha ha! Wait! Wait! You walked over to see if you could hear what they were saying.
Yeah. Yeah. I tried to circle around to the announcer's part of the kid. The King!
Alright. Welcome to the show. I have a guest. We don't usually have guests.
Bit of a lone wolf these days. But when I was talking to this guy about how he could potentially come here and... I was like, wait a minute. I forget I have a podcast these days.
I was like, I have a podcast and you got a movie. I don't really like, I'm not that many people listen anymore, but I was like, I don't think I really talked about his movie. It's a good movie and I don't want to be offensive. But it's a really good movie for a guy that was...
A guy that beat people out for a living. He's jotting into your ladies and gentlemen. Thanks for having me, Joe. Good friend of mine and his movie is amazing.
I was like, this is a good movie. Kill me again. There you go. Where...
When I show people and they go, wait! He's the director and I was like, yeah! And they're like, keep jotting. I can't...
Yeah, man. He was in some movies. I don't know the whole thing. But as far as I know, he got killed in some movies.
He's a bad guy, good bad guy, makes sense. You're a good bad guy. Next thing you know, he's all wrapped up in film. And then it's like, I'm making movies.
And I'm like, really? So... I did every fucking thing, man. I directed it.
I wrote it. I produced it. I raised money. I did fucking design the set with my production designer.
I did everything. Is that a thing these days where if you don't do everything, it's not going to happen? Well, that's why I look at it. All right.
Fuck me. Every actor has a script in the back pocket. Everybody thinks they can write and all that. That's why I haven't really talked about it much until I have something released.
Now I'm actually talking about it because everyone's like, got this thing that they're going to do and have the script that I've been pushing for five years or whatever. And I've been getting that. I've got like, four other movies I'm trying to make and one somebody wants to do, who's going to direct it? It's not going to be me.
So I've got to find something, a little budget that I can direct. So I put this together in fucking July and August. And I shot it in December that quick. Wait, you have four other movies currently right now ready to go?
Ready to go, scripts, yeah. So let's go back a little bit before we get into this. So you were originally, like, you're a fighter, obviously, we all know that. And then how did you get into movie?
Have you always been a guy that had scripts or were you like, like, I'm not a fan. But so you're a stunt guy. Am I wrong? You tell me you're a stunt guy with tape, right?
Yeah, I had a lot of stunts, man. What is the first thing you did in film? Acting, but it was more of a stunt role. I thought it was acting.
It was a show called Gamer and they wrote a part in for me. It's right after I beat Chuck the next week I ran to the directors. Hey, you want to be in my movie? I always wanted to do that.
Had you actually always wanted to do that? Absolutely, yeah. So when you got into fighting, we were like, well, I mean, I'm better at that. But I would like to be an actor.
Yeah, I didn't know what it meant, though, but I always been. Movie was always my escapist. I'm going to be a poor kid and all that. And you see movie in the world gets much bigger.
But on the reality show, when I first did tough two, the reality show, the producers were like, hey, you got a good look, man. You should be an actor. Oh, yeah, I always want to do that. I mean, that means, right?
Yeah, I used to say that. Yeah. I was always, and I honestly think it was you and Taita was the inspiration. Because I was like, I know you guys.
And I did a movie through fighting where I got pulled into a film where I wasn't auditioning for anything. And I was training at Team Quest, Dan Henderson's gym. And Ryan Parsons is their main coach. And he was good friends with Kevin James.
And Kevin James called him and said, hey, man, this is a weird question. You don't, by chance, have a guy there that can fight who can skateboard, do you? And Ryan goes, I have a place to pro skateboarder that works out of my gym. And he's like, well, let me see a photo of him.
And then Ryan said my photo, he's like, he's in the film. So I didn't do an audition. I didn't do anything. I was just on a plane to Boston and was in a film with no idea that they were going to use me to talk.
I thought that I was going to punch somebody and they go, did you bring a skateboard? I was like, yeah, that's weird. Why? And they go, because you're skateboarding.
And then there were three other guys that were my friends, they're skateboarders and BMX guys where I go, hey, what are you doing here? And they were like, what are you doing here? And I'm like, I don't know. And then next thing you know, I'm in a fight scene with Kevin James.
And he was like, you know, I was like, dude, you could just hit me. And he was like, really? I'm like, if you miss, you'll be all right. Don't want to let it go.
And we like choreographed a fight scene. And that's where he was like, oh, you're going to be really excited about that. And I was like, why? He's like, you'll see.
And then I realized that it was because if you're acting and you do your own stunts, you get a big check. That's what he meant. It took me three months for me to understand what that meant. But later on down the road, I got a check and I was like, oh, that's what he meant.
Did you spit out some words? Yeah, yeah, a couple things. Most of it was in deleted scenes. Not a great actor, Keith.
I actually thought about that, man. All you got to do was just be yourself. I think the difference was is they were like, hey, here's your script. And I was like, wait right now.
And they're like, yeah, right now you're up. And I'm like, wait, I should, I would like to have known that beforehand. And I got nervous because I did another thing with Ben Marjara. He had a movie called Haggard.
And I was in that where they kind of let me riff and be, I was supposed to be a crazy guy in a record store. And that I did well. So I think it's more like being ready for it. I also noticed from comedy and all these other things.
If you're nervous, you're not as good. You got to believe in yourself a little bit. You know that's what Haggard did for me for sure, man. So in your first film, were you nervous?
Oh, fuck yeah, man. More than that, the auditions to go through the auditioning process. That's the painful part. And see in fighting.
And you know this, you can cover it up because you're in the locker room, you're sitting in your pants. No matter who you are, you're nervous as fuck. You got to have a poker face. Yeah, exactly.
And then you get out there and then you're still nervous until you get punched, right? Yeah. And then you can turn it around, right? You get knocked out in turn.
You walk in an audition, man. Those motherfuckers, like they're staring at you looking for any sense of weakness. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Because they got it. Oh, we got this guy that is auditioning here. Look at it to the director. And if they take you up and then you suck, then it looks bad on them.
Right. And so how long did it take you to learn that particular? That took a lot of time. It took a lot of studying.
I studied. I practiced and all that. When you say study, explain to me studying to audition. I went to classes.
Acting classes, audition classes. All both. Because that's two different things. Yeah, it's what auditioning is way different.
What is the difference? Well, you got to pretend you're in a whole world in a stupid room with two people looking at you on a stupid camera and you got to pretend that you're in a bar and this thing is all happening. You got to make it really turn it into something. You got to act with this little camera in this one little space that's not going to follow you around.
Yeah. And then it's like no direction. You just got to turn it into something and create a character out of it. Until I started having fun with it and I started everything else.
I wish I had this learning some fighting. I'm just going to make a fucking fool of myself. And I'm just going to be stupid and drop the mic and say fuck you and walk out of the room. And once I started doing that, I started getting stuff.
Wow. So how long did you go through auditions and go maybe I'm in the wrong game before it started turning around? Man, I spent all my money providing on flying to LA. Doing an in-person audition.
Maybe you got to get a room. So you get in the LAX. You know, you're trying to get to that rental car and you're on the bus. You got to make the fucking thing.
And then now you're on the road and the traffic trying to remember your lines and you walk in a room and then you see people you recognize and all shit. Oh Keith, you're up next. Now you got to go up and do it before and do your thing. Sometimes you do good and sometimes you would bomb.
Sometimes I bombed really bad. Like where they're like one at one time. They're like, because the casting director really wanted me to get in for this part and I didn't do a good job. And as I was doing, you're doing a bad job and I'm doing the audition and I'm like, man, we'll get a second shot at it.
Right? And then we get to the end and then okay, that the cast director goes right. Oh, we take another one? Oh, they said no.
Yeah, you know, the whole trip probably caused me like what a grand, right? Yeah. More maybe. And so that happened all the time.
A lot of big failures, a lot of wins though. Then I got a Paul Thomas Anderson movie and I did that on the same day. They called me, my manager called me Paul Thomas Anderson. He's like the guy, the director's director and there will be blood and things like that.
Okay. Boogie Nights. And I was in the gym and I was working out and my manager, hey, can you be an only by three? I'm having trouble casting this role.
Can you come and read? And look at me. You in Albuquerque? Yeah, yeah.
And finally I was playing. I can get there just on time. Yeah. So I walked into words or nothing because they're real private about that.
They had me some words when I get in there and I'm fucking dyslexic too. So I can't read. Me too. Oh, yeah.
That's why I was saying that when they gave me that I was like, dude, I ain't trying to read that in public. Right. And I'm like, I'm going to read my own head and not here. Let you hear what I'm going to make of this for the first five times.
I go over it. You're going to go, wait. You don't read that word. I've got to want you to know that.
And a good actor will be like, just like one of them break character. They'll pick up their lines and like they expect you out paper in the hand. So I just went to the next room and like, hey, I just studied this for a minute before I do it. Okay.
And they let you do that. Okay. And then I got the role and that was when I first started getting into starting getting better acting roles and all that. So when you're saying you're spending your fight money, is this is a long time ago when you were still fighting or is it the very end and the money that you'd save from fighting?
This was the end of that money. That's what I'm saying. So you would be used to that though. I would assume there was a time there where you were fighting where you were like, I don't have any money.
And if I win here, I have a little bit for the next camp, right? And that's it. And you kept it in the back of your mind. In today's world, it'd be easy.
Like you'll fight forever. I was a big like fuck from last fight and you'll see I got fight in the night. You know, I would have fought forever. But but it was like, what do you mean fight forever?
Why is that? Back when I bought and you'll see you're either on your way up or on your way out, right? You're either on your way up to give you a champion or a contender or on your way out. And they don't keep too many people on the roster.
Back then you're saying. Yeah, yeah. So you're saying now you can kind of lose and keep your job. Oh yeah, for sure.
That's interesting because I was always, because I'm, you mean I never made it to your level, but I was friends with people where, you know, like I knew mayhem fought one fight in the U.S.C. got caught and I'm like, he fought GSP and he didn't, like he made it to the end and you caught him. I'm like, he fought the greatest fighter in MMA and he lost and you caught him. Brutal.
You know, like now it'd be like, went the distance with GSP, you'd probably get one more fight. Yeah, you're saying they'd get a couple. Yeah. No, they go forever, man.
Like look at, if you're interesting that they're not cutting you. Right. That's the, I always, I've always known that where I'd see guys fight and I'm like, you realize who your boss is? Like, I know it's probably not your style, but if you, if you bite down and go for it and put on a show, even if you lose, there's a good chance he's going to have you back.
If you win and just lie on somebody, unless you're like from Dagestan, you're, you're going to, they're going to keep you. Yep. And if you take those short notice fights, if you're just, if you're a company guy like I was, I was running was all right. Yeah.
You just, you're, you're in there, man. But, but I was, I was more nervous of having bad boring fights than I was of winning. We never did that. Yeah.
Well played, dude. Dana like you. Yeah. Yeah.
Always was cool. Yeah. I was too shy back then though. Like, I would go to Vegas and, and I run a day for something and like, Hey, we're all getting together with the potatoes.
We're going to have dinner or something later and you want to come by and you'd be like, well, yeah, I got to get back and train. I'm comfortable. I get that though. They're intimidating.
You know they're not the same walk as you do. Like, that's a weird thing for, you know, networking is like, you're a fighter. Fighters don't network. They fight.
These days it seems like you definitely want to have some networking ability and it seems like if you're really good at networking, you don't have to be that good at fighting. I don't want to say that. People, if you're still in, you're really good. But back to you were talking about acting and getting in this business.
I had to develop more of a personality and more of a self confidence and more of that than ever did in fighting. Yeah. And it's been great for me, man, because you got to, you got to, you got to, people want to have you around and work with people. Yeah, because I've always known you to be, you're a good guy.
You're a fun guy. I think when I first met you, I was surprised that you were a fun, good guy because of the persona, the, the what you see in the cage, you know, like the first time I met you, I was like, Hey man, like, is it okay to, you know, like to talk about anything but not killing somebody and you were like, what the fuck is wrong with you? Like relax. Yeah.
And then fighting me and I can see that you're like, let's be funny. Let's have a fun fight. I'm like, Oh, you're not even a prick at all. You're like, you're like, you're like entertaining people.
Yeah. So that you brought, you think acting brought that out? Yeah, for sure. I had more of a personality because you know, fighting me a fighter, like that's your whole personality.
It's like a that's the one that keeps starting the fighter. Right. And now you want to collaborate with people and fucking non-directing people is crazy. So you're acting, you're doing some stuff, you're talking a little more, it seemed like, I remember we were hanging out where you were like, yeah, I mean, you can kill me in a movie, but I'm trying to like, talk, you know, being an actor, not just a guy that like gets punched in the face.
Yeah. So you started doing that. Where did it go? Where you go?
Right. I'm acting, I'm talking to talk and I got some stuff that isn't just punching someone in the head, but I want to be the director. I want to write a script. When did that start?
Alongstoy Shor, I did some really good TV spots, like Top of Show guest star on TV is where you're supposed to be. It's for network TV. It was really unfulfilling. It's just like you punch the time clock and you don't get feedback from the director, whatever you do, and then you go home and everybody's like a gig player.
It's not really a family. It's not really a collaboration. That's not what I want to do. Around that same time I did an independent movie where everybody's working together to build this thing and make this dream happen.
It's like a team working collaboration. That's what I want to do. I'm going to do that. I'm a horrible writer.
I can barely write an email back then. But I know movies and I have a vision. I just started writing and I finished my first screenplay. It wasn't very good.
Then back you said why? Because of that collaboration. I also wanted to create better characters for myself. One gave you the idea that you knew you could write a better character for yourself.
Whatever. I'm just trying to look at my future self and where the world is. Thank God I started that man. I don't know.
How long have you been writing scripts? I started by the time we started hanging out. Remember I was talking about this? I have ideas.
I think I remember trying to find people. I have some ideas. Why don't you write a screenplay? You're a writer.
Why don't you do this? I'm trying to get other people to do it. Maybe I should just do it. Funny how that sounds.
I got A-list stars attached to it before COVID. Because of that, I didn't know how to package it then. What is a package? Where you bring your actors and bring money together.
If you have a superstar in your movie, you can package around and bring other stars. I can figure out what you'll sell foreign and domestic. This is an $8 million movie based on who you have. I wrote a really expensive western.
One of the actors said it was as a pecan potted bush and sundance. He's an actress and a mentor. He didn't know I was listening to that call. Because of that script.
I got my other scripts read. Oh wow. Did that one become a movie? I still have it.
It's a pretty expensive western. Oh wow. I got an MMA type script that somebody, a studio, said they wanted to do it. But I wasn't going to be the writer director.
I wasn't going to be the director. That's why they kill me again. I got circling back on that one. And then I got another one I just wrote that I'm in LA right now.
I'm shopping that one. Man, having a fighter fight movie. Well, I want you to get is, because that's like for, if skateboarding, anytime anyone does a movie about stuff that I don't know how to say it nicely. If you're not in this game, you cheese it.
And it's not as a guy that's lived that life. I'm like, they say, that's not the fucking, that's not real. That's not really how it goes, dude. Why you got to add the cheese factor?
And every time I see the cheese factor, I go, yeah, because some fucking Hollywood guy got in there was like, you know what would be really cool? And I'm like, you know what, that wouldn't be really what it is. Like don't add that bit. If you're the guy, you'd be like, no one's ever said that dude.
No one would ever do that. 100%. And it's not really a fight movie. It's just in the fight world.
It's more of a one of my mentors told me it was more like the taxi driver than an MMA. Yeah. That's sick. That's really sick.
I love to talk about it. A lot of people can relate coming home from war or whatever. A lot of people can relate to what this is. Right.
It's more like an after fight. You've got a lot of friends, ex-military. I've got a lot of friends too, where it's a funny thing where the trauma that I've had in my life, the people that understand it the most are military people. It's because they can look me in the eye and go, yeah, man, I get it.
And I go, you do. You're not bullshitting me. It's that trauma that they get to. Yeah.
And their friends pass away. When you get a bunch of people in a row, it's this thing where it stacks on, you lose one, and then all the other ones come flashing back and you think, you know, it's why it's just happening. You know, it's like I think it's human nature to lose a friend. You lose another friend.
When that one dies, all the other ones pass away, they all come back like it happened the same day. And you're like, what the fuck is going on, man? Like, where's everyone? Like, am I next?
Like, you get that. It piles up. Where you're like, did I have this? Is it my fault?
You know, like you stop blaming yourself? Like, there's all these guilt with the trauma. And those guys, that's my best friend that passed away recently, I was talking to somebody about it was in the military. It was like, I had to go to this, you don't have to go to that.
It's like, I get it, too. It's like, it piles up. And I was like, just having somebody there that said somewhere, I go, yeah, you've been there, you've been there worse. Made it, meant something when he was talking to me about it.
It helped a lot. It also made me realize those guys, another level. You know, another thing too is similar with me and you and them is, and that's what the script is about too, is you dedicate your life to this thing, and how long are you in it, right? And then now you're like, what, you're in your late 30s and you dedicate your life to the saying, you don't got any money.
And I don't have any skills. What am I going to go back to college? What am I going to do? It's weird in the main world, in your world, too.
People recognize you, you're like, walk through the mall or whatever, and you're like, hey, keep joining me. You're a bitjourn all that. But you ain't got no money. You'd be like, man, if so many people recognize me in a day, you'd think there'd be some money involved in that.
And then you'd go, no, no, actually, you've got to go do something else. So then you've got to reinvent yourself and reinvent myself so many times. I'm trying to be an actor and don't save my life on that. You were talking about my career, when I spent my money on auditions, I started getting stunt jobs back then, which a lot of people don't realize stunt jobs.
If you want to actually move, like I was in John Wake, 80% of all the people that you think are actors are stuntmen. And say a couple words and take a hit. So that saved my life really. Is it hard to get in that?
I feel like they're kind of a crew that they don't just let anybody, hey, I want to be a stuntman. It sounds good, dude. You're next. It doesn't work like that.
It's really hard, man, because it's different than any part of Hollywood, because it's stunt coordinator. You don't have to suck a lot of dick to get to the thing. He's my man. I'm going to bring him in.
You're not going through the regular production. You find a couple stunt coordinators that really like you and like hang out with you and trust you to not make them look bad. They know you can do the job. Exactly.
And so then you're making a living and they're flying you into different places and all that. And that's where you're at. Is that fun? Oh, it's so fun.
Especially at the beginning. I haven't done stunts in over a year. But choice or? Yeah, well, like I'm busy making movies.
And I've been really lucky, man. I got a really good movie coming up with Jason Segal and Julia Lewis and Tim DeAll fun. Wait, Jason Segal? Yeah.
Who's Jason Segal? Is that really his name? Yeah, yeah. I'm not pronouncing the last name.
Segal. Segal. Segal Jason Segal. Yeah, yeah.
I'm like, do Jason's state them? Oh, that guy. Beautiful, wonderful, actually. Beautiful.
Yeah, he's a fine guy. I'm coming out with him. I just did a season two tournament list. I was in Morocco for a couple months.
Morocco. Yeah, it's great. Yeah. So I'm talking about that's a fun.
I know Morocco, man. I spent a couple months in cosmo content. And I wasn't working every day. And when I was working, I was hanging out in the town and checking out in the markets.
And I took a ferry to Spain. Like it was. Yeah. This is the life I'm like.
And when you do stunts, is it less pressure? Stunts is a lot of more pressure actually. Acting. You just got to spit out some words, right?
And if you study and you do it and you got that confidence that we're talking about. Yeah. You just got to spit out words and then like, let's stunt some man. You got to do some.
They bring you in. Say anything on a fly me to Morocco to do stunts. And they got this complex stunt with explosions going all around, like car gags. And every take is many, many thousand dollars, right?
Could be 100 dollars. You can't mess it up. You can't mess it up. For doing your one thing, looking a certain way or missing your mark or all that.
So there's a lot of pressure, more pressure and stuff. But then, what you're saying, do I love stunts and the fun? And is it still like there's that sense of, first of all, there's a camaraderie we got from sports. When you're doing a dangerous stunts, everybody's like all the other stunt men are like watching you and there to help you and all that stuff.
And like when you do it good, it's the high fives all around and all that. And there's that feeling. Yeah, I'm fucking good man. You're making a trick right there.
Yeah. Yeah. So there's that. And acting is acting is harder in the sense that it's allowing yourself to be vulnerable and just finding these different things, these different characters and trying to do something special there.
And that's more challenging to me than the simple stunts that I do. So that's what really lifts me now. It's never been more intriguing to me. I was always a guy where I was like, I just want somebody to throw me through a window, like punching me.
That just sounds like fun, hanging out, you do stunts. And I'm like, movie talking. I'm like, express being somebody else, like really committing to it and leaving yourself. Mmm, that makes me anxious.
I don't feel like I would be interested in that. And then it's kind of like doing stand up comedy. At first I was like, I'm a funny guy on the radio. What's the difference in them?
And I start, I was like, Oh shit, it's a big difference. If you can do that, you can fucking act man. For sure. Well that dude, that's the thing I've noticed from the more I do it now.
I have a, because in the radio people are like, oh that's just like a persona. And I'm like, no it's not dude. Like when I'm on the radio, do I turn me up a little bit? Sure.
But I'm being me most of the time. When I'm doing the stand up stuff, sometimes I'm like, I've done, I've said this thing before. But don't say it like you've said this before. Say it like it's the first time you've ever said it and connect with people in the audience.
And I'll see, I'll feel that I'm doing that. And I'm like, oh this is not, this is a different, this is a different you. This is a, you're doing something that you did not know you were going to get into. And it makes me, when I watch movies now, I go, oh wow, there's like a, I get it now.
I get where you're like, I'm that. And I'm completely committed to it. And it made me kind of appreciate it more. I don't think even like stand up when I watch people do stand up.
Not so much watching specials in person where I'll see some of the greats and I'll go, man, it's not even what he said. It's, it's, he's fucking face. It's some of the greats. Some of the greats will be, they'll get people to laugh and they haven't fucking said anything.
I'm like, read what he said on a piece of paper to the crowd and see if you can get him to laugh on that. You won't. It's the way it's his face. It's the confidence that he has when he walks out.
It's all this other stuff that when I first started, I was like, I don't get it. You know, and now I'm always, that's the thing that I catch the most with comics now where I go. Oh, that's sick. And it's not what that joke you write.
I'm like, no, it's got nothing to do with what he said. It's the fucking, it's his eye contact. It's that timing, like all this shit that where I'm like, this guy has been in it, dude. Like, goddamn.
Tate and I were at the mothership where I actually ran a red band's place around the corner there. Watching this guy perform and it's a great thing to take because he's been there from the beginning with Joe Rogan all that. He's watched all these guys work it out and all that. I can't remember the joke.
He told a really funny joke. It was a genius joke, but it didn't hit. Just because his delivery was all off. Yeah, it's really, I mean dude, there's, there's, you know, like, I have got, because that was the one thing for me where I'm funny off the cuff.
I can be energizingly funny. I can get it going. But writing jokes from start to finish. That was a thing that I was not.
I feel like it's similar to you when you're writing scripts. Like, what is your background in script writing? Zero. And it's like, what is my background in writing a joke?
Zero. And then I'd start watching like Mark Maron's and these guys write say something and go, Oh, I will never be able to do that. Like, that's insane. And now I'm like, Oh, I forgot you, dude.
I figured it out. There's like, there's like, uh, there's ingredients to every joke. The format for all of them. I mean, I guess to me, is the, what I'm thinking about, I think this is coming from skateboarding.
It's like, there's, there's a new there's another format out there that no one figured out yet. I'm gonna figure that out, and then it's gonna change the whole face of it. Cause that's like, you can't just, I don't want to repeat. I don't want to be with somebody else's.
Yeah, let's go balls, man. Like I watch you. And like when you start, when you start flying is when you win to me is when you interact with the audience. But just to me, the balls of that is like, what if this interaction doesn't go well, I'm sure there's, I'm sure I can see you working out where it doesn't.
did it fighting is the exact same thing. It's just faster. And consequences are way bigger. But when you love it that much, my consequences are just as big.
I do get in hurt and bombing. Bigger. They mean more to me, like whatever I love is, the craziest thing to me now is when I feel like something's going wrong, I want to see how much further I can go wrong before I put it back. And I'll hear my brain go, I hear my brain go, dig deeper.
And I'm like, don't dig deeper. You're in shit right now. And I'm like, yeah, but how much worse can you make it before you get out of it? And I'll sometimes I'll pause when people pause and go, ooh, nobody likes that, huh?
Well then, what about if I said this? And I'm like, this is worse. It's going to make people even more angry. And I'm like, now dig out of that.
But you got to embrace the bomb. Yeah, that's cool, man. I like bombing. Like I don't, it used to scare me.
The biggest people, what was that? They say people are the biggest fears and like ahead of death is public speaking. Yeah, yeah. I never got that one.
I did it. Which is crazy because you're fucking actor. Thanks man, it's different now. It's like so much, I used to go to fight a fight, you know, they bring into the pace of money to go shop some stupid fight in some town somewhere.
It'd be like, I love these, though. Your stories of fight, well, before, it's so much more scary. But no, but I would be like, okay, I'll come. I'll do that.
I'll sign the gratitude, but don't bring me in the ring and make me say any words. Well, you would say that? Did you hate it that much? Did you really hate it that much?
Or was it because it's not a fighter's thing to do? Or were you like, I'm actually anxious of talking in front of people? I'm actually terrified of it. I'm a basketball coach once.
And I had this big old speech. You were? Yeah, I was at the college. And I was a D line coach, a coach, defense coordinator at the end.
But my first year I was like, oh, I'm going to have this big old defense line. I said, my mind, it was like a five minute speech. I think I said like eight words and like, all right, I'll push that. I said, that's even more of an accomplishment.
And it's that much scarier. And then you do the thing that, I mean, dude, if you're scared of talking and you're in a movie. Well, the movie is written for you. Yeah, but it's still and go.
And everybody's watching and the camera's on. And there's money, there's pressure. There's huge amounts of pressure. There's professionals everywhere.
You got to do what they think you can do. If you want it's one day, you want it so bad. You really want to do this fucking thing. It's worth everything.
It's worth that suffering, right? That's how it, like. Well, you said with comedy, like it's really, really similar to acting though, as far as engaging with the audience, because of me and you aren't a scene. And I'm thinking about my words, whatever.
Yeah. But actually if I've listened to you, connecting and listening to you. Wow, that's the thing that I notice from acting now. Where I never used to.
It's the other person where I go, oh, that's great acting. Usually I'm like, you had a cool line. Somebody had a cool one liner and I go, that's awesome. Now I'm looking at the other person that doesn't have a line.
I'm like, that's when I can tell you're not a good actor. When you look like I can tell, you know you're in a movie. You're not thinking you're the person that they hired you to be in the movie. Yeah, that's what I came to, what I came to say.
It's like, oh, it feels like he knows it's wrong when it feels like he's in a movie. The Pothom Sanderson movie I did with him, and there's another good example. He was such an amazing actor. I couldn't be a bad actor.
Like, if I'm just listening, like I can't be. Like he makes, and that's why I do in my movies too, is like if I have a newer actor, whatever, I'll put him with a really great actor. Because that'll kind of help. Carry him.
Do you think it also gives that other actor confidence when they see the pro? Or they try to rise to the occasion? Yeah, I hope so. That's one thing you can watch film again too.
Like I won't have, like I'm terrible. I won't have bad acting. Like I'll do a series in Monetu to get something down to get you to say this one word the way that, okay now it's work, we can move it on. Wait, what did you just say right then?
Sorry. I'm serious of Monetu. What are you talking about? I just don't want, I don't want anybody to lose their.
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And so some people, there's different tricks that you do and you learn everybody's different. Like Brendan Fair, who's in my movie, who's an amazing actor, he never had a bad take, but sometimes, okay, we want this tone or we want this tone. Or now you're experiencing this, you know what I mean? Now you're about to go crazy.
Now you're cocky, you know? But some actors like, you know, just can't get it. And one of my tricks would be like, I don't know if I'm gonna give it this way, I'll go too late now. One of my tricks is we're just not getting it.
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