How Laz Lake Changed (and Preserves) Ultrarunning

If you've ever crossed a finish line and felt something you couldn't quite name, or dropped out of a race and carried it with you longer than you expected, this conversation is going to land.In the final installment this trilogy with Laz, the two sit on Laz's porch in Tennessee working through three artifacts: a pack of cigarettes, Hemingway's Old Man and the Sea, and the question underneath all of it, whether the struggle itself is the victory, not the outcome.It's the most personal of the three conversations, and the most philosophical. It’s for ultra runners who think about this sport as something more than miles.Presented by Kiprun.Watch Part 1 and Part 2 of the Laz Lake Interviews.Links & ResourcesNotable Lazarus Lake-related docsthe FinisherThe Barkley Marathons | The Race that Eats its YoungJared Beasley + Laz Lake InterviewRelated EpisodesThe Last Rebel of Ultra Running | Lazarus LakeThe Future of Barkley Marathons | Lazarus Lake----Borderlands.cc | Podcast NetworkSign up: analog*Borderlands [new]letterWylder is now available on iOS + Android.Salt Lake Foothills Trail Races | 30 May 2026