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EPISODE · Apr 29, 2026 · 37 MIN

How Morpho Survived a $300M DeFi Hack With Only $1M Exposure

from Unchained · host Laura Shin

People think of Aave and Morpho as competitors. But Morpho only lost $1 million when North Korea drained $300M from a DeFi protocol. The architecture explains why. ======================================================== Thank you to our sponsors! Coinbase One 20% off first year of annual plan + $50 Bitcoin bonus. Offer valid until May 31. coinbase.com/unchained Citrea Bitcoin changed how money works. Satya changes how Bitcoin scales. citrea.xyz/unchained Ether.fi 15% cash back on food and ride apps, 3% on everything else. ether.fi/unchained ======================================================== After North Korea's Lazarus Group drained nearly $300 million from Kelp DAO's bridge, the contagion spread fast, leaving close to $200 million in bad debt on Aave. Morpho, one of the largest lending protocols in DeFi, ended up with about $1 million in exposure.  Paul Frambot, co-founder and CEO of Morpho, explains why the protocol's modular, isolated architecture produced a different outcome, and what it reveals about how DeFi lending is supposed to work.  He also addresses the ongoing debate over whether DeFi lenders are fairly compensated for risk, the institutional reaction to the hack and what it means for the sector's timeline, the moral complexity of Arbitrum's decision to freeze stolen funds, and why formal verification may be DeFi's last line of defense in an age of increasingly powerful AI. Host: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Laura Shin⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, Host / Unchained Guests: ⁠Paul Frambot, Co-founder and CEO of Morpho Labs Timestamps 🦋 02:25 How Morpho ended up with only a $1M shortfall when Lazarus stole $300M from Aave 🔑 05:43 Are DeFi lenders being compensated for the risk they take? 🏛 11:12 What the Kelp-LayerZero blame game reveals about DeFi risk 🔍 14:01 Morpho's 'Etherscan for lending' model, and how to pick a vault 📞 15:53 Paul's calls with institutions after the hack, and what they said 🤔 24:08 Arbitrum froze $71M of stolen funds. Was that the right call? 🚀 29:54 Why Paul thinks DeFi 2.0 is just getting started 🤖 33:31 Why AI makes DeFi an open target, and the one defense that still works Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

People think of Aave and Morpho as competitors. But Morpho only lost $1 million when North Korea drained $300M from a DeFi protocol. The architecture explains why. ======================================================== Thank you to our sponsors! Coinbase One 20% off first year of annual plan + $50 Bitcoin bonus. Offer valid until May 31. coinbase.com/unchained Citrea Bitcoin changed how money works. Satya changes how Bitcoin scales. citrea.xyz/unchained Ether.fi 15% cash back on food and ride apps, 3% on everything else. ether.fi/unchained ======================================================== After North Korea's Lazarus Group drained nearly $300 million from Kelp DAO's bridge, the contagion spread fast, leaving close to $200 million in bad debt on Aave. Morpho, one of the largest lending protocols in DeFi, ended up with about $1 million in exposure.  Paul Frambot, co-founder and CEO of Morpho, explains why the protocol's modular, isolated architecture produced a different outcome, and what it reveals about how DeFi lending is supposed to work.  He also addresses the ongoing debate over whether DeFi lenders are fairly compensated for risk, the institutional reaction to the hack and what it means for the sector's timeline, the moral complexity of Arbitrum's decision to freeze stolen funds, and why formal verification may be DeFi's last line of defense in an age of increasingly powerful AI. Host: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Laura Shin⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, Host / Unchained Guests: ⁠Paul Frambot, Co-founder and CEO of Morpho Labs Timestamps 🦋 02:25 How Morpho ended up with only a $1M shortfall when Lazarus stole $300M from Aave 🔑 05:43 Are DeFi lenders being compensated for the risk they take? 🏛 11:12 What the Kelp-LayerZero blame game reveals about DeFi risk 🔍 14:01 Morpho's 'Etherscan for lending' model, and how to pick a vault 📞 15:53 Paul's calls with institutions after the hack, and what they said 🤔 24:08 Arbitrum froze $71M of stolen funds. Was that the right call? 🚀 29:54 Why Paul thinks DeFi 2.0 is just getting started 🤖 33:31 Why AI makes DeFi an open target, and the one defense that still works Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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