EPISODE · Feb 4, 2026 · 54 MIN
How systems thinking helps leaders make better decisions
from Leaders with Purpose · host manifesto
How can charity leaders plan for the future when uncertainty is the norm? And what does systems thinking actually look like in practice? Rebecca Hull and Lou Lai are joined by Dr Claire Routley, Consultancy Director at Legacy Futures to explore systems thinking, futures thinking, legacy fundraising and the leadership skills charities will need in the years ahead. Claire shares her journey into legacy fundraising, why legacies are one of the fastest-growing income streams in the sector and how leaders can think long-term without pretending the future is predictable. Together, they cover: - Why certainty is no longer a leadership strategy - Claire Routley’s path into legacy fundraising - Why legacy giving is growing and why it matters - What systems thinking actually means in practice - Why legacy can’t be separated from the wider supporter journey - Futures thinking and planning for multiple possible outcomes - Emotional intelligence, presence, and modern leadership - Polymath leaders, curiosity, and leading alongside AI - Gen Z, hope, and the future of the charity sector - Leadership advice: holding space rather than having all the answers Enjoyed the episode? Subscribe so you don’t miss future conversations on leadership, charity and creating impact that lasts. Subscribe to the podcast: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/78ASRJjPQjcijfeFxyiafX?si=41269ee0af1a468d Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/leaders-with-purpose/id1836126863 Connect with us: Claire Rutley: https://www.linkedin.com/in/claire-routley-9a8b737/ Rebecca Hull: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rebecca-hull-75a78b39/ Louise Lai: https://www.linkedin.com/in/louise-lai-3958962a/ manifesto: https://manifesto.co.uk/
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