EPISODE · Jun 24, 2026 · 1H 13M
How to Access Flow State & Significantly Boost Performance | Dr Sue Jackson
from Performance Intelligence · host Andrew May
Have you ever finished a presentation, race, meeting or performance and someone asked, "How did it go?" only to realise you can barely remember it? Not because you failed but because you were completely immersed.Dr Sue Jackson is one of the world's leading researchers on flow and co-authored the defining book on the subject alongside the man who first named it, Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi.Sue takes you inside one of the most sought-after and least understood states in human performance.Why do some moments feel effortless while others feel like a grind? Why can pressure elevate performance one day and destroy it the next? And why do some of our best performances seem to happen when we stop trying so hard to force them?Using examples ranging from Olympic athletes to Wallabies captain Harry Wilson's match-winning moment against England, Sue explores why some performances feel effortless, why pressure can either sharpen or derail us, and why trying harder isn't always the answer.This is about attention, confidence, pressure, preparation and the hidden conditions behind extraordinary performance.Because flow isn't something you find. It's something you allow.00:00 Why your best performances can be the hardest to explain02:14 The psychological state that fascinates elite performers05:58 What athletes mean when they say "everything just clicked"10:08 Flow vs clutch: two very different ways to perform under pressure13:09 Harry Wilson's match-winning Wallabies moment, and what it reveals about performance19:27 The letter that changed Sue Jackson's career26:51 The hidden ingredients behind a flow state28:00 The challenge-skill balance that can make or break performance32:00 Why anxiety might be closer to flow than you think39:03 The attention crisis nobody is talking about42:18 Are we losing our ability to focus?45:40 The coaching habit that can pull athletes out of the moment48:53 Why flow feels energising instead of exhausting50:32 Can you perform brilliantly without being in flow?52:18 The mistake people make when they try to force flow54:31 What extreme athletes understand about being fully present57:19 The surprising connection between deliberate practice and effortless performance59:00 How to experience more flow in everyday lifeDr Sue Jackson Website: www.drsuejackson.com LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/drsuejackson Instagram: @suejackson_flow Facebook: drsuejacksonflowView the 8 channel flow model: https://performanceintelligence.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/8-Channel-Flow-Model_Jackson-scaled.jpgBooks: Flow in Sports (with Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi, 1999): drsuejackson.com/flow-in-sports-book Experiencing Flow: Life Beyond Boredom and Anxiety (2024): drsuejackson.com/new-book-experiencing-flow Use Code "PQPODCAST10" to get 10% off your Lumo Coffee order:https://lumocoffee.com/ Interested in sharing your story? Email Producer Shannon at [email protected] today with your story and contact details. Learn more about Andrew and Performance Intelligence: https://performanceintelligence.com/Find out more about Andrew's Keynotes : https://performanceintelligence.com/keynotes/Follow Andrew May: https://www.instagram.com/andrewmay/Watch the Performance Intelligence Podcast on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@performanceintelligencepodcastIf you enjoy the podcast, we would really appreciate you leaving a short review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or Google Play. It takes less than 60 seconds and really helps us build our audience and continue to provide high quality guests.
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Have you ever finished a presentation, race, meeting or performance and someone asked, "How did it go?" only to realise you can barely remember it? Not because you failed but because you were completely immersed.Dr Sue Jackson is one of the world's leading researchers on flow and co-authored the defining book on the subject alongside the man who first named it, Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi.Sue takes you inside one of the most sought-after and least understood states in human performance.Why do some moments feel effortless while others feel like a grind? Why can pressure elevate performance one day and destroy it the next? And why do some of our best performances seem to happen when we stop trying so hard to force them?Using examples ranging from Olympic athletes to Wallabies captain Harry Wilson's match-winning moment against England, Sue explores why some performances feel effortless, why pressure can either sharpen or derail us, and why trying harder isn't always the answer.This is about attention, confidence, pressure, preparation and the hidden conditions behind extraordinary performance.Because flow isn't something you find. It's something you allow.00:00 Why your best performances can be the hardest to explain02:14 The psychological state that fascinates elite performers05:58 What athletes mean when they say "everything just clicked"10:08 Flow vs clutch: two very different ways to perform under pressure13:09 Harry Wilson's match-winning Wallabies moment, and what it reveals about performance19:27 The letter that changed Sue Jackson's career26:51 The hidden ingredients behind a flow state28:00 The challenge-skill balance that can make or break performance32:00 Why anxiety might be closer to flow than you think39:03 The attention crisis nobody is talking about42:18 Are we losing our ability to focus?45:40 The coaching habit that can pull athletes out of the moment48:53 Why flow feels energising instead of exhausting50:32 Can you perform brilliantly without being in flow?52:18 The mistake people make when they try to force flow54:31 What extreme athletes understand about being fully present57:19 The surprising connection between deliberate practice and effortless performance59:00 How to experience more flow in everyday lifeDr Sue Jackson Website: www.drsuejackson.com LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/drsuejackson Instagram: @suejackson_flow Facebook: drsuejacksonflowView the 8 channel flow model: https://performanceintelligence.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/8-Channel-Flow-Model_Jackson-scaled.jpgBooks: Flow in Sports (with Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi, 1999): drsuejackson.com/flow-in-sports-book Experiencing Flow: Life Beyond Boredom and Anxiety (2024): drsuejackson.com/new-book-experiencing-flow Use Code "PQPODCAST10" to get 10% off your Lumo Coffee order:https://lumocoffee.com/ Interested in sharing your story? Email Producer Shannon at [email protected] today with your story and contact details. Learn more about Andrew and Performance Intelligence: https://performanceintelligence.com/Find out more about Andrew's Keynotes : https://performanceintelligence.com/keynotes/Follow Andrew May: https://www.instagram.com/andrewmay/Watch the Performance Intelligence Podcast on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@performanceintelligencepodcastIf you enjoy the podcast, we would really appreciate you leaving a short review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or Google Play. It takes less than 60 seconds and really helps us build our audience and continue to provide high quality guests.
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