Hi, this is Janet Lansbury. Welcome to Unruffled. Today I have a question from a parent. It's about her son who is very strong willed, high energy, independent, all positives.
But the other side of that coin is she has a hard time getting him to listen. His behavior is unmanageable at times and she wonders how she can get him to listen without, quote, killing his free spirit. Okay, here's the email. Hi Janet, I've recently enjoyed listening to your podcast Unruffled and reading your book no Bad Kids.
It's a really refreshing approach to parenting. The issue I'm having is that my 4 year old is very strong willed and independent, which of course can be a good thing. I don't have to encourage him to do anything. He jumps right in.
I don't have to. I just find it difficult when I try to rein in all that energy and get him to listen to me. For example, we take a lot of nature walks with friends. He will run ahead and just keep going, not stopping.
When I tell him to stop. I find myself yelling because it's a safety issue, leaving me with the only option to hold his hand, leave, or let him keep running. He's always done a lot of attention seeking behavior as well. Even if he's getting attention such as yelling, I find myself telling him you're not listening frequently and don't want to be saying this.
How do I help a strong willed independent child do just that? Listen. I feel at a loss and so overwhelmed. He's so much fun.
He really is. I especially get overwhelmed when we are out with friends that have high expectations for behavior. They have more mellow kids. I should add that I have a one year old daughter who of course takes up a lot of my time.
Please help me find a way for him to listen without killing his free spirit. I really want your methods to work and to have peace. I hope they are not just for easier kids. He's like three in one.
Haha. If you were to ask who pulled the fire alarm, it would be my kid for sure. Thank you so much. Okay, so when I read these notes and questions from parents, certain statements they make or phrases they say tend to pop out like headlines.
In this case, the first thing that popped out was when she said at the end. I should add that I have a one year old daughter who of course takes up a lot of my time and second and even a bigger headline for me was help me find a way for him to listen without killing his free spirit. So those are two important points that she makes that tell me a little about her child's point of view versus hers. One of the themes that I try to bring up in my writing and in my podcast is understanding our child's point of view, being able to see through their eyes.
And that matters because that is a way to help them with their behavior and go at it in a helpful way that joins with our child. That doesn't mean we're joining and running rampant at the outing, but it means that we want to be helpful rather than be the person that's telling you do this, do that, and I'm frustrated with you. We want to be able to help our child feel that safety net of our presence. Now, a child who is very strong willed and independent, it's a personality type and in this case her child is very high energy as well.
So children who are strong willed can also be very sensitive to the energy around them. And like all children in these early years, they are easily overwhelmed. It's interesting also because this mother says that she feels overwhelmed, which is understandable, of course, but since she's the one her child is looking to for leadership and to set the tone of how everything's going in his life and how their relationship is going, if she's overwhelmed, he's going to be triply overwhelmed. Young children get overwhelmed very easily, especially children that have this kind of intensity.
They just tip over in a second. The situation that she brings up about the one year old sister is huge. And it's always interesting too, because parents tend to share that with me as almost an afterthought. Although this parent does note that it's taking up a lot of her time.
Well, it's not only taking up a lot of her time and affecting her energy, it's super affecting her son. It's a very overwhelmingly emotional situation for older children when another child is born. And now they have to accept that their whole life has changed. Here's this cute baby person who is taking up a lot of their parents time.
And when they express their stress through behavior as children do, their parents getting angry with them, getting frustrated, that can feel like the worst thing that could ever happen. That my parents not only did this other person come, that takes a lot of their time and interest and love. But I'm acting like a jerk. I'm not being quote good because I'm acting out of my own stress and overwhelm.
And then around the time the baby turns one, there can be a whole new level of overwhelm. Because now this baby is not just A cute blob in the older child's eyes that he can feel. Well, I can do all these things and she can't. And I can get my parents attention.
That's another thing my mother brings up that he's attention seeking. Well, he used to be able to get your attention pretty easily, but now even more attention is going to this little girl who's maybe started to talk and walk and become a serious rival for him in his eyes. So it would be understandable that he's in an almost constant state of stress at this juncture. And then he's let loose on one of these outings and he can't contain himself.
He knows he's not supposed to run far away and make his mother upset, but he literally can't stop himself. And this is what I hope I can help this parent understand. It's not about I won't listen. And I'm making this very conscious choice, deliberately doing what you don't want.
It's, I can't stop myself from going there. And also maybe I'm kind of getting stuck seeking this attention that I get from my parent that doesn't really feel that good. But at least I'm getting that attention from her. That can be part of it too.
So when she says you're not listening, what she means is not that he doesn't hear her, but he's not following her directions. That's what we mean. Usually as parents when we're saying they're not listening, they're not listening. Again, it's not a choice to not listen.
The child is in a state where they can't for some reason, at least one of the reasons is this transition he's in, this life transition that feels like the rug has been pulled out from under him. And it's only getting scarier each time that he is that guy that's being quote bad when he goes on the outings. He knows that that's becoming the perception of him. He knows that his mother is exasperated and that other people are judging him and he's getting stuck doing it anyway.
Now there's this story that he's kind of creating for himself that he's this out of control guy and that's making him feel more distanced from the people he needs to feel even closer to. Now that he's going through this sibling transition of his sister turning one, all the new feelings that come up around that he needs to feel his parents are that safety net that they're with him, that they either understand him or want to understand him, that they're not blaming him for his behavior. And I realize that's hard because it can look very, very deliberate when children do these things. And it's maddening.
I get that. But that's not what's going on. What's going on is his reason. Centers are being overwhelmed by his emotions and stress.
When you're shouting at him, you're not listening. He's not gonna be able to turn on time and say, oh, you know what, you're absolutely right and I'm so sorry. I don't know what came over me, but here I am listening to you now. The not listening was already him being in this other state of consciousness where he can't control himself.
And the tipping point for this is very, very low, especially for children that are very intense like him. So what it feels like inside his body when he's doing these things is not comfortable. It's not joy that I'm running away and I'm making everyone upset. It's that overwhelmed, overexcited, somewhat anxious, out of control feeling that we've all experienced.
But for us as adults, we are mature in our ability to self regulate and stay reasonable. So if we understand these elements, this boy's behavior makes a lot of sense. And the more sense it can make to us as parents, the easier it's going to be for us to shift into really helping him and therefore changing the behavior, getting what we want, which is a child that doesn't do these things as often. He may always have that tendency to be life of the party, pushing all the boundaries.
It can be fun to be with those people. As his parent says, she enjoys him and the fact that he jumps right in, but it's also getting away from him a lot of the time. So what I would advise to this parent is to start seeing what's really going on here, how overwhelmed he is, then set both of you up for success. And that's going to look like again, rather than being at odds with him.
You are a team, you want to help, especially when he's on these outings. So here's some details about how to do that. I would start by talking to him about it before you even go on these outings or to any place that you're going, not in a warning tone. A lot of times parents will say to me, well, I warned them.
And I wonder how that sounds, because a warning, well, if we go there, you can't go running off. That is already projecting to our child that I don't Trust you. I don't feel confident in these situations. I believe this story about you.
You're going to continue it and I'm already annoyed with you. It's not going to create the sense of safety that our child needs. So I would be careful not to do that. I actually like the term a heads up more than a warning.
Giving somebody information. Oh, by the way, it's going to be time to go in a few minutes. Just letting you know that that doesn't push our child into an uncomfortable power struggle state. And this is especially important again with a child with a very strong will they are easily tipped into.
Okay, I'm over here holding this ground and she's over there. Don't want to allow that to take hold. We want to melt through that with our belief in our child, demonstrating with everything we say and do that we're on your side. I'm not mad at you.
I believe in you. I know you can do this. And if you can't, I'm going to be there to have your back. I'm going to help you.
So I would start by saying we're going on this nature walk and I know you get so excited sometimes and you're feeling that energy of everybody and it's really, really fun to run as far as you can. But I'm not comfortable with that because it's really not safe. Is there a way that I can give you a little signal or a sign so that you can know that it's time to stop wherever you are and wait for us all to catch up to you? Maybe it's something like, I'll say red light.
Should we try that? Maybe your child has an idea. And then, by the way, my dear, if it doesn't work, I know sometimes you get carried away, then that's okay. I'll just come up to you and then we'll hold hands.
And when I was reading this note, I thought, I wonder if he really on some level wants to hold her hand, that he feels more comfortable and safe and connected that way instead of that being a punishment in this parent's eyes. Right downer. Maybe that's what he's demonstrating by running off that he really needs her to hold his hand the way she holds the baby's hand. And this is his very awkward way of letting her know.
So I wouldn't see holding hands as this bummer thing that's going to hurt his spirit. Absolutely not. It's going to help him be more comfortable. And when you're first changing your attitude around his behavior, understanding him more and how to be that safety net that he needs there.
Maybe you will decide at the outset we're going to hold hands and then if he says no, ah, yeah, I know you don't want to do that, but I got to keep you safe. That's my job and I love you too much to let you go running off like that. So reframing this for ourselves is so important. Boundaries are love and to the point about killing a spirit.
The, the reason that stood out for me was because it was very telling that that is getting in the way of his parent helping him as I know she wants to and needs to do. If I make him hold hands right in the beginning, it's going to hurt his spirit. Absolutely not. Setting him up for success so that he doesn't have people judging him and his mother upset with him and so he's not that kid.
That's trouble. That's freeing him to feel comfortable and good in his skin. When we allow this thing to go on and then we're repeating ourselves and yelling at our kid, that has much more chance of hurting his spirit because it makes him feel bad about himself. So I do understand that because I had those feelings also with my oldest daughter who's a very strong willed girl.
I had those thoughts, oh, she's so amazing. She's just so bright and on top of everything and am I going to somehow hurt her spirit? Well, luckily I had Magda Gerber and other wonderful advisors that helped me to see that. No, actually hurting her spirit is giving her too much power to do things that people don't like that don't feel comfortable to her either.
So my evolution, which I've talked about in at least one of my posts, Confessions of a Pushover Parent, was somewhat slow, but it was dramatic in the end because I started to see that repeating myself trying to get her to want to cooperate to make me feel better was the opposite of positive for her and the opposite of love. And as his parent says, she says, I find myself telling him, you're not listening frequently. And I don't want to be saying this right. Don't say it to him as if that's going to change something.
Maybe say to yourself, oh, he's not listening. He needs my help. He needs me to be on this. He needs my safety net so that he can be his free, wonderful spirit on these nature walks.
If he's showing you that he can't handle listening to you, he can't stop himself. And you know that you Aren't pushing him into a power struggle through your attitude. Then take his hand, maybe leave, maybe rethink how many of these he can do right now or what time of day it is. I would put blinders on in terms of the other children and comparing.
And you got a thoroughbred here. You know, he's wonderful and he's also more sensitive to certain things and he's going through a time in his life when most children have a type of emotional crisis. So maybe doing less of those things where he can so easily go overboard and not be at his best. That's part of setting yourself up for success.
Understanding what you're dealing with here. This is temporary, it's not the rest of your life. So making choices that he can thrive in right now. And then when she does what she says is a lot of attention seeking behavior as well, such as yelling.
I wouldn't see that as this thought out, reasonable choice that he's made. Oh, I'm going to yell now to get attention. It's part of his. The rug is going to pull out from under me and I don't know what's going on and I'm scared and I have all this energy and I'm getting carried away and I can't contain myself.
Part of that is yelling. I don't know why I'm yelling, but I'm yelling. And then we add to it by saying stop yelling. As if he can just change what he's doing without also feeling shame and failure.
And she hates me. Which obviously this parent doesn't. But it can feel like that to children when we are at odds with them that way, when we become that safe presence, when our child is assured of that safety net. Not going to be perfect.
But if most of the time he feels she gets me and she's on my team, then he doesn't yell as much. He doesn't show that lack of containment and overwhelm as much because he feels better. That's how we change the behavior. We help our child to feel safer and more comfortable with us.
It's complicated but simple at the same time. Like pretty much everything that I share, it's challenging to see differently, but that's what we're required to do to be able to proceed with the kind of relationship that makes us feel good about ourselves and brings our child as close as possible. Also, just want to say having a four year old and a one year old or a three year old and a one year old is a lot. This parent has a lot on her plate.
Maybe those outings where things sometimes get hairy is too much. Say no. Let your child express these things at home to you. Show him there that you're on his side and that you know you're not irritated by his expressions of uncomfortable feelings.
And absolutely don't fear killing his free spirit by being stricter with the boundaries. Things that you can control. You can't control yelling, but we can control holding hands. We can control letting him in the room with his sister who's trying to take a nap.
So holding those reins with confidence that we're doing the right thing. I really hope some of this helps. And there's a ton more about this, of course, in my no Bad Kids Master course and in my book no Bad Kids, which has helped many, many parents turn a corner. My no Bad Kids course offers everything you need to understand children's behavior and put into practice the notion of discipline as an act of compassion and love.
We all deserve joy in our parenting journeys. The perspective and tools in this course will bring you the clarity, the calm, the confidence you need to truly enjoy yours. Thank you so much for listening. We can do this.