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Oh Good for your body what do they call the last game of a season? Right what's wrong? But no the topic is how to save WB games because if you didn't hear I'm sure most people listening this have about a week ago Monolith was closed down Wonder Woman was canceled Jason Shrier came on this show talked all about it And things are in disarray over at rocksteady things haven't necessarily been even close to good when it comes to many of the WB game studios The last couple years what a fall from grace for some of the most iconic well-known and prestigious video game developers out there Specifically talking about rock I mean I'd say rocks. Yeah, I'm not even right sure so here we are now It's up to us.
We gotta say the nation turns its lonely eyes to us to figure it out top level great. How do we do it? You know well Jason's game cast was so interesting where he came in and we really I think were so down in the dumps of Are we actually ever gonna see the fruits of the labor of what's going on? You're closing these things now.
Why aren't you just closing everything? That's a bad thing to do this and Jason was like I don't see that being the thing right he put it all on you know Previous leadership which is changing over and then understanding what they need to go So he thinks there's more juice in WB games as a entity right now than maybe I do I don't know if I say I understand that I thought it was an interesting take from the one the only normal games are Let's try for Bloomberg But then to say here and be like what are how do you save WB and what do you do? I hope and I think the easiest way if they are gonna maintain the course and keep going and not selling not close up and that Which again is like so convoluted because you can bring in a new boss of WB games But you still have a boss of WB who is the boss you know I mean it's like and those bosses are proving that they are very bad Yeah, yeah, yeah And so the short answer here is as always learn from your mistakes like this is the same thing We I would have said about Concord which is not a WB game of course But you can list the writing was on the wall for Concord the writing was on the wall for suicide So the writing has been on the wall a lot of things into really dial back what you said the most Astonishing thing about this the saddest part of the fall from grace is that these are the motherfuckers who got it? They did Batman Arkham Asylum and again, I know we trend Yo, there's I should say we trend yet we trend old actually But I know that there's people here who weren't as into video game news and reviews and previews as I was working I'm reviewing Arkham Asylum and again that game that first demo me and Anthony guy It was when he was still a game spy went in there and we walked out and he was like that seemed pretty good I was like did it I'm confused because we're butt-mashing at one point But then we're up in the things and we get killed if we get seen like I don't it's not gonna be fun to play and then the Trappitation hesitation I came out of that demo with was I've been burned by so many bad Batman games Superman games spider Guys who loves comics and IP I've been burned by so many bad license games that you just couldn't believe someone was gonna do it right?
No chance not in that they did it they destroyed it They then set up this Arkham universe that for so many people I truly believe is their Batman That's what they that's the universe they know and they want to go it's mine And so for WB and Rocksteady to knock that out of the park and not figure it out not say holy shit If we treat the IP the source material with love and respect and give developers time with it They can make something special and instead have it be that it goes on this long and it's kind of dovetails and what we're talking about Of the art versus business and what was happening in the PlayStation 3 generation isn't at all what's happening the PlayStation 5 generation So how do you get in there and make the money to keep thinking like I just feel like how I fix this time travel back and show them like you do this again with other IP do it with Superman do it with one woman back then like when you could build something there and go with it rather than Go to become suicide squad go to do this, you know Just like fucking monolith you know what I mean like they make that first working everyone loves it They make the second one and they put loot boxes in it like WB and you're exact shut the fuck up and get out of the way Let creators create and that money will come if they're making great games and doing this stuff right But for some reason monolith success rock city success they then let people get in the way of that success and that's the problem Same thing they did as Exnider You came up with the idea on one of the shows for us to pair IP that they have access with with studios And they don't necessarily need to be wb studios, but that makes the most sense and that I feel like is the most true to what we're trying to do here So I want to jump in because I think that's one of the things where the idea of all where I think when we originally pitched it We're talking about on the show it was like clearly wb is going to sell that had been the rumor forever They're gonna get out of the game's business. They're gonna do this then there is Jason talking about right It was that yeah, they're trying they were trying to sell but they were trying to sell not with the IP So buy another realm but license moral combat from us, which is terrible deal right? Then I think Jason saying that he thinks they're still juicing WB I the the games were pitching and stuff I think it had anybody attached to him But my question would be for the panel before you can go that way Do you think the future of WB should be doing the Marvel games thing of cool? We own no developers we just partner with developers and go that way or should it be what it is now where WB We have these studios and we're doubling down and batting down the hatches to get through a spot But we want them making our game I think it needs to be a mixture of both right like cuz right now they're in this weird place where it's gonna take what five Years before we see the next rock city that name if that right?
So they need to kind of have the okay Well, we have teams working on the next Hogwarts right which is gonna make us hopefully another billion dollars plus right Then we also need to figure out what the next five years looks like right What are we gonna put in the middle of here right? Is there a way that we can get games out there in the next two years three years that are smaller experiences that can continue the lifeblood of Hey video games and Warner Brothers they work out really well like can we can we actually like not have people just talk about this About how Warner Brothers games are dying for the next five years There any way that we have these small little wins So I think you need to kind of have like the hey, let's try out little things here and there And then eventually hopefully we can build back up rock city to where it used to be I have three scenarios in my head. Oh, I have the dream the dream scenario, which is I think the scenario We're talking about as far as hey rock city make a new Batman Which we call it? How's it?
Yeah, I've learned yes make another Hogwarts legacy another realm keep smashing Keep making more combat and then it is a thing of hey, we have so much other IP Let's get let's allow other studios to work with our IP to like make a cool, you know, tail tail Superman game And though tell me about it because tell it's like really really But you get what I mean, you're saying me and pitch somebody different up it Yeah, like let's spread out our IP in ways that are going to do the best by all the stuff We own a lot of good shit. Um, that's the dream scenario that I think is too good to be true Yeah, then under that I have the I guess best case scenario I guess for WB keeping their studios, which honestly is kind of grim because they've started down there They're showing down monolith right one woman's canceled if I were to sit back and ask you guys All right, if WB were to continue doing the WB thing What are the best case scenarios for what those games are when those games come out even when I think about all right a rock Steady Batman Beyond game, I guess or another Batman are coming out in four to five years Another moral combat coming out in a few years or injustice, right? And then another Hogwarts legacy coming out in four years After that right a lego game Maybe like I think it starts to get grim from there as far as the things that you have left and how long you've taken to work on these things How much things are deteriorated since I'll say prime WB games which I'll put in the latter half of maybe the 2010s or the late 2000s Right when you're talking about rock cities Batman when you're talking about Shadow of Mordor and games like that. I then have my third scenario Which is the dark grim scenario, but I think almost the more the most realistic one and this goes against the try your thing right Or maybe on a different timeline, but I think it is all right cool WB games is not a thing anymore We're selling all our studios.
We're keeping the IP which sucks for some studios like another realm because another realm their whole person Their whole brand is moral combat and sometimes injustice when you lose out on moral combat injustice Who's buying another realm like are you buying it and then licensing out like that's such a bad case scenario And I think that's gonna lead to such a bad place for that studio But I think you're gonna have scenarios like that of hey, he wants to buy rock steady who wants to buy avalanche When games right where just WB the other sides of the business those my three scenarios Um, and honestly, I think that last one is probably the most realistic I mean so I as there's gonna be bad things that come from that I think any scenario is gonna be bad things because of how poorly managed this is and has been I think that's the right move And I understand all the licensing of the IP I feel like that is the right way to fix this problem is to be able to go to developers big and small To be able to make Batman games game at thrones games every part of games or whatever it is I also think that there are a couple of the WB own studios that would easily get acquired by The people with the money to do that And then I think that the conversation of licensing after that gets interesting But I do think that we're talking about some of the very few brands out there that it's worth it if it's worth it to licensed spiderman It's worth it to licensed Batman, you know what I mean? And sure there's a cost associated with that But I feel like those are costs that are worth it if you are at a certain level and does this mean 10 cent? Maybe and that's not good, right? But this could mean xbox playstation one of them and I think that if those decisions were made it would be They would be focused to it There would be like an actual goal in place for that to happen But like my brain goes like I can see a rock city getting required rich because that name right has so much cash aid But like I would never see a Warner Brothers Montreal ever getting acquired in any sense There's losing share I'm talking about And TT games potentially too like like there's value there right like um and I don't think TT games potentially like that's like I again I don't think that everybody like that through this in this scenario But I do think that there's value to TT games in the family space Which is a very important space in video games that they fill and if they were to be gone I don't know that there's another group ready to jump off I think they're perfect for PlayStation in a big way of like they're trying to do the lego horizon So I was all right like horizon the knocking in so it's not like a game Yeah, I like they're trying to make it more friendly games right I could see that I could also see PlayStation acquiring another realm and also acquiring more Well, we're going to come back at the same time Like getting that IP because PlayStation they are So they own right now they are getting more and more into the fighting space like they own the The announcement of both tech and Street Fighter though for the latest ones They are big into fighting games and owning more than exclusive That's such a PlayStation move Yeah, I see the TT games if that were to be a thing That's to me Xbox especially with their new multi-platform strategy because that those games need to be multi-platform Like those games need to be accessible to as many people as possible They are like many things perfect game pass games We're getting very very head here But yeah, that's the thing is I do think that they're like We need to do it But everybody picks three games Oh, yeah, yeah All of what Shriier said like makes obvious sense And he like it's very clear that there is so many millions if not billions of dollars at risk of Taking the talent but not having IP that they're known for But I do think that there is enough talent there that like another realm for example Like I do think that they have the stuff to be able to make a new IP to make something new or Or to be given a different life I don't know I don't know I don't think so It'll never be as big as World Combat but we need to also keep in mind more combat The most recent one did not sell nearly as well as the last couple more of the combat I love another realm Big big reason is that I love Mortal Kombat I don't know if another realm is another realm without either Mortal Kombat or injustice It's hard for me to think of a new IP that they could work on License anything though That's the thing is like they could do it for injustice if they do it for DC Just get them what license do you have fight on the realm You're making a PlayStation fighting game with all the PlayStation characters You know what I'm saying?
I'm like I was a Marvel one the Marvel fighting game that had on PS2 and humans or something like that in justice It was like an in-something Marvel versus Katmama It was like Nemesis People know it was like the you'll see it was like it was like a PS2 like fighting game Like 3D fighting game that was it was like really gritty and it had like Marvel nemesis rise of the imperfects That's what I'm saying Of course rolls off the tongue Exactly No, I think yeah, I think I think the other realm would get scooped up no problem And I do think the idea would be if I if they were suddenly scooped up by Anybody PlayStation unless it's wrong with yours PlayStation scoops them up, right? I think Marvel games would be stupid not to be like cool make a injustice humongous We will hire or I think Tom King exclusive to DC now But we'll give you a story Marvel writer to also do the copy and justice People would fucking love that like I mean not obviously the exact same story But like we're making a Marvel fighting game that just looks like justice The only thing is like I feel like Marvel is Capcom or like some of the Marvel fighting game is already in the works But see my thing is I think they're so different Where I would never in a million years pick up Marvel versus Capcom, right? It's just such a fighting game that isn't my thing Whereas injustice is a story, right? Like I don't I play I horribly played injustice one together with the story, right?
Like that brings in that idea And I think if you're telling a story that is a Marvel thing but it's pulling threads that not exactly But it's telling you a great Marvel story and focusing on Iron Man and focusing on Cap and doing Hey, you loved MCU this is pretty cool I think that would find success let alone you You started mixing if it is PlayStation putting on PlayStation Plus or if it's game pass or whatever You know I mean like there's all these different things of where you're putting it to get it to that mainstream audience That's always been the thing right? Mortal Kombat we ask people on the street about fighting game I think they bring it up because it's the most mainstream fighting game Yeah, I mean like that's how you'd be out there with it I still think there's no world replacement by another moment They don't just buy Mortal Kombat because that just fits within the PlayStation ethos so strongly as far as the how big moral comment is How much I think Netherrealm's value is boosted by Mortal Kombat? The only reason you wouldn't is that WB's not selling it Yeah, and if that's the case I buy Netherrealm and I wait WB out the five years Yeah, like fuck we don't know why do we keep it? I think there's another realm there's some kind of like Walmart like dash the price out like hey We're selling these as a bundle kind of thing We also got to remember like Mortal Kombat is of course the biggest it's biggest in video games But there's movies making movies making merchandise they're making straight to animated you know DVD movies like it's a big franchise outside of gaming I wonder if Warner Brothers would just want to hold on to just be right to alone I think maybe they just keep the movie rights and they give away the game rights, right?
Like if they split it up like that the K about is a Marvel Civil War fighting it would be cool. Hell yeah, that'd be awesome Yeah, I'm so with you though I feel like the I think that Mortal Kombat is one of the only of these IP that is worth the money because of how much money Mortal Kombat makes and Has the potential to eventually make as well? I think it'll be one of those ones where the new story like we're gonna be talking about the number if this ever happens Right, please anybody else acquiring Mortal Kombat We're gonna look at the number and be like damn like you like you paid that much from Or not but it would make sense in the long run And like not to get ahead of ourselves because I do have like you know We have a list of like games that we're fantasy booking or whatever like one of the ones that I have is I want Netherrealms or just I guess one of others in general to do a single player Mortal Kombat game again Like I that franchises so much juice in terms of like the public cashier of like I my mom knows scorpion Like that's crazy like everyone knows these characters I think it's just a barrier of entry of fighting games to a certain extent and I would love to play a Mortal Kombat scorpion game Right that is just a third person God of War ask like you're just over the shoulder beating people up like in a more Approachable way and then get people into that franchise like that because just doing Yeah, literally I mean like I love shallow months is good like because it was the only one that I could really play and like feel like I had a great time With so yeah, I think there's something to do with nether realms and especially if they if nether realms gets bought up I play station with Mortal Kombat. I'll cool that next blue point game.
I mean yeah I mean that's cool. I mean that's cool. I mean that's cool. I want to get into some of our pitches here that we have Let's start with you.
Yeah, choose one of yours set the stage here, right? So this was the idea this came from I think other K3 conversation with me and Greg Maybe knows the games has to talk about the games as like you know me wanting to do the dream scenario of all right What if we ran what wb games like Marvel games and just licensed out the IP the different studios right or even if you Wanted to use the WB studios so I went into this with more of a Dreamlike scenario of like I don't think these are the most realistic things But also I think there'd be a lot of potential a lot of juice here in terms of some of these ideas Oh, what do I want to start with what are these ones? I think I shared an idea with Roger. Yeah, I took it away because I saw that you're I was like you can copy me.
I know right? All right, let's talk about an IP and a studio that are very combat martial arts focused Right an IP and a studio that I think do well with intriguing Concepts and I be in a studio that have a lot of style to them matrix Matrix I think that'd be such a slam dunk of a hey, I'll give that a fast Right, I think that'd be such a slam dunk of what is a studio that we know that is very talented with a combat a studio That can make a game that I think can play super well You look at a game like see food right and see food is all about the bobbing weaving It is all about like that fast action and feeling locked in as a player into the martial arts and all this stuff You're doing I think matrix would actually be the next evolution of what that gameplay would be like for a seafood thing You're adding in bullet time slow motion. You're adding in more guns guns No, I mean you're bobbing weaving like bullets right in bullet time that fits the seafood gameplay style so well And matrix I think is a franchise that one already has a history in video games Like how many people do you know that played? Yeah, like I remember being my friend Caleb's house in high school and I got a game cube But I forget which matrix it was I think it might have been enter the matrix the most of them Yeah, I'm like gameplay fucking awesome.
Okay, I'm with this game heavy I think the video game audience would love another matrix game matrix as an IP super strong something I think you should be doing more within the video game space. Obviously they've done stuff recently fit in the movie space I think so let's go let's make some games. Yeah, let's make some games Let's try it out and I think slow clap is a studio that wouldn't get too cute with narrative and story Hey, what is the most basic ass like conceit? We can make as far as what you're doing with this game.
It has to be about one thing just escape the matrix Yeah, that's Emory in the chat says there was a matrix bonus level and see if I totally forgot about that in the arenas Like you really was you you're dressed like you know, you know, you know, I totally forgot that yeah My picture this when I had originally was just literally just do matrix Pathenio like you just it's the it's the games just condensed and it's just Neo's best moments throughout all the games And we just put that into one package and we call it a day and we go off of the nostalgia of the original games Very bring up footage of Pathenio. I don't know if I've seen it's yeah It's just you know beat him up type thing which was I can never keep track so I apologize But what was the matrix team that was the prequel to the movie where we followed you into the matrix? Yeah, I remember that being such a cool idea Yeah, we talked about we just did the games daily story where she was like yeah We'd be open the games on doomsday or whatever But it's like I remember that announcement and I wasn't even a big matrix guy I played that game because what a cool idea I'm playing stuff that is gonna be Influcid movie enter the matrix was kind of like the baton arkum before baton arkum But like not necessarily a good way because that's a major surprise to people like holy shit License games good and the matrix was the one where it's like oh my god This license game is going to be the one to change everything and then it didn't but everyone played it Everyone like I was falling memories of it But like because it was very well marketed But yeah the game was not great and was not well received when it originally came out And one more thing I want to say to this idea of slow-clap matrix game two is I think more publishers and IP holders in the video game Side should embrace smaller studios and should embrace indie studios. Hey matrix gigantic IP What if we made something small with it that has potential make a lot of money I think a slow-clap game for matrix wouldn't obviously wouldn't cost as much as a if avalanche was doing it right or If I was doing it you make it a lower budget, but I think you still have such high sales potential Because guess what it's matrix in the gameplay will be good guarantee.
Yeah I was our last to get to this list. I like it was a little more slim pickens trying to like add things here But when I was thinking matrix, I wasn't thinking slow-clap. I was thinking remedy. That'd be great too.
Yeah. Oh my god I'm great. Yeah, I was thinking about remedy. I just I don't know.
I just want them to do whatever they want to do Yeah, yeah, even though I like that stuff Raj hi, it's good. You next this is a weird one to start off with But I just I think that this might be the right answer or the type of caliber of game that one of others should be leaning on and then Getting resources to and this would be a Teen Titans game Such an amazing IP that grew up that was raised a lot of gen ziers and millennials right? Oh, you're in a real one or a Teen Titans go or what? No, not even I go like more in line of the animated show Yeah, the original animated show and this would be actually made by upstream arcade Upstream arcade or the people that did the newest hellboy game and also west of the dead we can post some gameplay of that These games have such incredible art styles.
The only issue is that the combat is just not it's just almost there Just not quite there right? They just need a little bit more resources and a little bit more time But man, they have the style they got the stuff and when I look at the new hellboy game specifically like that game Of course is a ping off of the help of comics very clearly like it feels like you're Sure, that's not me. They're going for a look there But it's also not too far off from like a Teen Titans like animated thing like I can see that I can see that like the contrast in the visuals And again, it's combat's not the greatest in the world. It's very you know It was a roguelite This was kind of like I think I beat the game in like three hours or something like that was a very short experience It was like 30 bucks or something like that.
It was for what it was it was a good time I can see them with a few more years a few more millions of dollars behind them This game could really hit specifically for the people that are like shit. I wanted adult Teen Titans game I want something that is a little bit more or me then the opposite side of this I want a Teen Titans game Right the opposite side was I would want Deck nine deck nine to do a Teen Titans game and do one that is more of like hey, what was the artist shit? I wish I would look at stuff there was that artist I think there was maybe even a comic run where it was like them in high school And like it's all over the Internet. Oh, yeah, they get sampled all the time.
I think it was every actually full Comic I would fucking love that if we actually had like they're in high school like their teen times are growing up. Yes Yeah, exactly. I was breaking up Teen Titans battle blitz Yeah, it's the last you time I was in fourth and fifth grade just in the computers in the back of class doing this every single time incredible But yeah, I think tines is one of the most underutilized IP inside of DC has so much cash And if you were to do either the beat them up one or we do something that's more like a life of strange thing I think I agree so much It's crazy how I mean Roger obviously you don't bear it Obviously you know and Tim might know right like growing up at our age group and how much Teen Titans like hit for that generation right in 2004 2005 around that time you ask any kid of what are your favorite? Cartoon Network cartoon even if they don't like DC Yeah, I Justice Lee was on TV Batman the anime series is on TV and obviously like these are great cartoons.
I'm not doing any shade I was watching team time. Yes, I think what fuck about my favorite DC character. Yeah, I was like I watch that Shock that's cool And also my little other side thing here my little minigame here is this should tie into a deathstroke game made by one more level Did ghost runner first person deathstroke in would be sick. Yeah, yeah I feel like I'm like one of the fun with the DC generation of not making more good team Titan shit Another good good is the keyword.
Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no is good. It's always good. It's all tight in the show. Oh sure I'm a conno in there so it's not In general how's it not been a major team times video game?
Yeah, there are people are not good major. Yeah, exactly. That's true. Gregory Hi, how are you please hit me with something?
I think I like what we're talking about I like how we're all kind of the same page to just like we should work with different developers smaller developers do these things right I think one of the things I know that I get shit for sometimes is wanting everybody work on a IP and do this thing but it's back to what we see as we see studios close and not make money and not be able to make headlines and not Be able to do it. I would like to see I think there is a market for a Wonder Woman game with a lower Expectation not this giant world triple a yada yada. I would want to see a Wonder Woman game from yellow brick games Yellow brick games just put out eternal strands. We've seen this it was a game that and the right thing new thing move the needle on Day and then you haven't heard much I feel since then of course the other games Marie from the Wikipedia found it early 2020 by Mike Laidlaw, of course, you know him formerly over at by where and several other developers from Ubisoft in particular the Quebec studio Which of course means they worked on my beloved Assassin's Creed Odyssey, but they also worked on a mortal Phoenix rising another game Everyone loved the gameplay of but did it make this many moves to do this kind of thing?
I think you can as we watch right now eternal strands gameplay. You're seeing a lot of different powers and stuff Here's bone arrow. I like the combat of it They bring in super naturally kind of powers or whatever to it But I think if you were to have just taken this idea of a game and apply to Wonder Woman license to it I think he would have moved more units and gotten more people excited and found a bigger audience I'm not trying to take away from a charan's audience. I'm not trying to take away.
I'm complimenting it I'm saying I think the game is so good. I wish more people were playing it I didn't love it for when I played I put it down, but I mean I think there's stuff here, right? And I think to go in here, especially with How do you make Wonder Woman interesting? How do you do all these different things?
Why not come in and do? Hey, it's Wonder Woman. It is the Greek God stuff. We're leaning into it We are climbing everything Diana's you know thrown from Themyscira to this other Greek island that she's got to escape seriously made a whole plot put her in here So she is fighting the gods she is doing the tars up working with the gods Whatever it needs to be right, but it also gives you this room of cool She picks up the gauntlet and it's kind of got a worry with the weapons But you make the ability of like you have the speed of Hermes right you're picking this thing up You're going this way you have giant enemies to crawl and fight and battle with like I think just taking what they've already done with the mortals What they've already done with a journal strands and giving it hey, we're putting it in a DC world We're giving you one room.
We want you to play with I think it would rain in some of the ideas that I think got a little off track with The journal strands, but also make a narrative there. It's like okay cool. I know what's going on You bring in you bring gale back guess what of course who's one season comic book writer was working off course on this one Room against consultant bring her independent narrative here have a go and again don't go bigger than what's happening in eternal strands Have it be that it's all voice acted But yeah, it's just the still image is popping up and talking to each other going back and forth You're crafting arm you're doing this thing throw in somebody else from you know the DC world of I think it'd be cool if you had back at camp and this would piss people off for sure But you had maybe we do a thing where it's like we were towing with the idea that this is a Wonder Woman in Batman R Together kind of thing But when they could pull they get pulled through here and Batman gets injured So it is just Bruce Wayne's back at your camp laid up at a cast He's able to give you tech and upgrades with what you bring and really get into that kind of nature of it There's a bunch of fun stuff you could do with it that eternal strands already does But I feel like applying some of this would actually go further for what the game should be could be and again Way less investment from wv games. We're not going to monolith and saying you haven't made anything of Jason kept bringing about seven years Eight years whatever it was we need you to make this thing and it balloons and balloons and balloons no we're keeping it small We're keeping it tight.
We're doing something fun. Yeah, okay So this is rough for me because I'm loving the pitches. I'm hearing but my problem is with the statement of how to save W you gotta burn it down first I'm just very pessimistic about a lot of the DC superhero IP that we're talking about being able to Save things right. I really do think that it is a hey back to basics in the most extreme way.
It's Batman y'all It's just Batman like I don't think that any scale Wonder Woman flash screen lantern whatever game at this point It's gonna save anything you know even if it's incredibly good and all that stuff I feel like that that would then need to be like that would be such a dramatic shift starter if and such a surprise It would be another Batman Arkham moment I think and I think that's very unlikely to happen So I struggle to come up with like well, how would you save it and I think the easiest answer is TT games Lego Marvel Infinity Saga make fucking money go back to the hits of the like we said it so many times And it just like it's just the easy right answer go for the thing that people are like well I like the infinity saga. I don't like these four five six or whatever, but I like that shit You know that's gonna make the money for the kids and all that stuff DC snap the other one Marvel snap but it's easy snap make the fucking money get the characters out there get educate the children educate them all right Metamorpho is there a twist that you would put on this one? What is there another card game that you would kind of know just no original? No, just nope just do snap just get sued I'm like overpowered with your tough magic.
I think a lot of stuff is like it's don't overthink this It's like go back to what you know works You do what you know is going to work here. Um, so yeah more Hogwarts lean into Hogwarts as much as you really possible I don't have one really like fun pitch Except for one Everything I just said about go back to the guaranteed hits throw it out Okay, because I got a great idea It's like a save wb games, but it's gonna be really cool And I think that it's the right level of budgets and marketing and all the things you need for this to be a hit NBA space jam, okay, you take NBA jam you take the space jam characters It's made by Danymo Alright, we know that they're good at great nostalgic video games and great nostalgic IP combined them together Come on a slam To the jam baby content. I love that Michael Jordan in it LeBron James both both. That's the thing and they're both in it This is everything Jordan as well that got here in here's the pitch right Michael Jordan got evil He's gone heal if I can kick LeBron James the nuts and he's the captain of the monsters James lean the bugs by team Michael Jordan's lean the monsters.
Oh, I love that They don't have the rights of Michael Jordan. They'll give him a million two million dollars Michael Jordan might be the thing that I'm Michael Jordan Michael's just take down wb games I'm gonna be named Mike Tyson to punch out Yeah, just do that. Yeah, Michael be Jordan to be a Oh, oh, they did that in space. They did that.
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Yeah, talk about it. Oh Roger. You wanna go now? So I mean I just want to talk generally about like I was like oh well it's like it will work I was like two characters I haven't thought about in 40 years.
I think I'm a Jerry a lot. Yeah, you're big you're big Isn't that a part? No, but like Jason. Yeah, they're like Yeah, I'm rocking the muppets.
You know what I mean? Yeah, when I was looking through like the Warner Brothers IPs, I was like, okay, well they've cartoon network This is gonna be easy and I thought about it. I was like man They've fumbled cartoon network so fucking heavily in the last like 20 years Like that is not what it used to be back in the day, right? Like and there's a lot of of course they own all these rights these things But it's like I don't know is a fucking powerpuff girls thing gonna work the way that it did back in the day like no None of this is gonna work the only thing that I could think of that I think would work in 2025 Just because in nostalgia and also just when it came out is an adventure time thing I was like he's like an adventure time could be really good Like a two-player adventure time game where you know you pay his fan to pay his Jake and that just writes itself Like I didn't have to be as long as a split fiction, but for an eight-hour experience.
I think that could be really solid I don't know if that would sell but that could be really good. I know it's a little bit like this Is very popular I was an adventure time kid I think I was like I was a little bit too old for adventure time Which is weird because all the people I knew who like adventure time were somehow older than I was yeah Like it was just a weirdly like it just hit like the last thing I was like the last thing and you know Bless you and I were in high school and like the stoners all of us were still watching kids cartoons Yeah, after school and so and adventure time was the ones to watch. It's like he's like he's like almost like It's like slightly too big. Yeah, I think to make it make an adventure time game But like I don't know I think that would be an interesting risk to take of hey What would happen if we went big with an adventure time video?
Yeah, especially if they lean into the two-player aspect of it, right? I don't know. Yeah, I think that's a market that is still not fully tapped like I mean of course It's only he's like kind of doing those types of games So I don't know if they just if they did one more that was a licensing I want to see how that performs specifically with the veteran There was a while where the tom and jerry super Nintendo game was the only game I had in my house wow that wasn't great Like I watched tom and jerry don't get me wrong So I have like the memory I have of tom and jerry is that my mom once bought tom and jerry popsicles and they were like the best popsicles I ever fucking had Zach Johnson in the chat says why none of you said scooby-doo and I'll say like there is something this No, for Scooby-doo I feel is a great IP to come up with a video game for because I think that like you can Change the tone of it and I you can adult it up or kidify in any direction that you're trying to buy this Let's go we do 900 Frights on ps2 come on I'm I stand up by the IP but trying to adult it up or whatever like you got to try to find someone who can capture that original energy super massive I said don't know I think both of those studios like they would try to recontextualize scooby-doo into something that like loses What makes that what makes you do scooby-doo from us scoob snacks scoob snacks being being goofy and silly alongside being kind of like weird and creepy Both of those yeah, having like crossovers with like the Harlem Globetrotters and shit I feel like both of those studios would try to be like we're taking scooby-doo very seriously I just don't think any of the cells like I don't know like it's to me. It's just we're at the point now We're like oh well IP we gotta make I video game what IP It's like I don't know is a scooby-doo thing ever gonna sell outside of like you just make these double-a games that are What do people that make all those double-a games now that are like basically T.
H. K. But they're not you know No, they're like They make like the fucking um Whatever you guys know Cj splits on says our static shock could be wb's miles air surf on a sewer lid Static shock don't got the stuff that I know we all say we all we all grew up watching that card I mean I thought about like a static shock. Um, sucker punch the game and I was like man.
It'd be so sick But also yeah another another you know character that they just completely fucked up after the initial That's thing is like oh man see now get into the CEO brain that I shouldn't because I'm like well If you made a static shock movie else successful But it's like okay, we can't do we can't work that way obviously that doesn't work that way Tundered voice is always wanted Atlas to make a Harry Potter game David Flores says is Evelyn's team studio be the mad Max game make more those they are but now they're making Harry Potter This avalanche made what was the choice of life game? I think this avalanche was the Skylanders right no they were Disney fan. Oh, maybe they were I'm pretty sure yeah Yeah, they're right the other avalanches avalanche is now called avalanche studios group Great. That's affix is it.
Thanks. Yeah. It's a time to give MK versus DC another shots this time to boy No, I think they've definitely found their bag with yeah, injustice It's like you just put you can put and they have put MK characters in the DC games and vice versa Mm-hmm. You've already got it Canvas says need one more Cartoon Network game before WB dies.
I agree. I think well now we have a There's a no no no I think I'm gonna go to the end on several because I was gonna say like a cartoon network Versus a cartoon network crossover smash rather this kind of game. Well. Yeah be sick It's just like yeah, it's like yeah, you know throw in some more characters in there Put LeBron James in it.
Yeah, make it free to play. Go back to what we said before even if we can do injustice versus MK specifically I mean I think I'll be the same thing is yeah, I mean that point just remastered Mortal Kombat versus DC We've done this game Already enough crossover the DLC characters I just don't think it's worth it. Yeah, but you announced that I'm like All right cool. We've been playing this for the last day.
Yeah, sure. You're right Optimistic says please do a dream Marvel game podcast love the conversation. Thank you so much. That's good ball says swats cats or make the Matrix PS5 demo game.
I don't want swats cats. It sounds dangerous. There's a lot of these in it. What's cats I feel like it's not good on it.
That's not good on a box. No, I don't like the You'll possibly know this picture when I bring it up. Oh, yeah I don't these guys no You're gonna be a next season That the other day I was always on when I was sick and I was like I hate this Boring and old you know Good My next pitch I'll try my cool video games, but you know what I'll put my seat you'll cut on your You guys might have to help me out with some of the IP things here because I actually don't know how this works in terms of IP But do buy where I think doing doing a way getting stabbing doing awakening is a great idea However, I think brilliant ideas to go more mainstream in AAA with doing because doing is the hotness right now, right? Is it though big question is it not I mean the do movies do very well.
Yeah anything else around you doing so far? How's not I'm just saying it the show. Oh, yeah, I mean yeah Like what's that show called again? No, no SQL Exactly But I do think that June right now with this positioning as a block left there in like the movie industry, right I think it being what it is and then it being what it is on the sci-fi side Obviously doing was like the original sci-fi it being back in a bigger way with the movies I think positions it in an interesting place because I think it's a fascinating world I think it's a cool ass world I think there's so much you can do in that world and I think by where in the way that we're talking about WV You need wins.
I think by where also just a very big win and sure I think this could be that win for them I think mirroring them with a franchise that I think fits a triple-a RPG tell your own story maybe be your own We saw an album I'm not saying we're you can ride a sandwich right? I think that has a lot of potential for I guess just being a blockbuster hit on the video game side as far as what you're Looking for I don't know what the IP rights are really for it. I know WV Obviously I like has only shit there. Sorry.
It's the movie right TV I'm gonna do an awakening and see if they have anything to do with it. Yeah, that's good fun. Come on developing a publishing doing awakening Yes, I don't think one of others has a connection to it. Yeah, but the way I've been actually know a minute of it too I get what you're saying.
Yeah, I like that. I think my brain just goes to like talk about the CEO of it All right, that's gonna take seven years, right? Like at least and like is you know is the next movie gonna come out and you know You know cat that staying power is doing gonna be in seven years where we want it to be I don't know like do you my my Cross examination on this one is even so much from the WB side Do you have faith in the next Mass Effect like that's their home right that they can come back a Mass Effect make Mass Effect matter again Into probably two more those right for whatever the neutrals you would be I mean I'm thinking of this is like coming off with Dragon Age the field of hey Dragon Age obviously hit different for different people Right, but overall I think most people say hey, that's a good video game right like that It's a game that came out is complete looks beautiful has beautiful I mean get all the way back to our beginning or conversation about WB just get the fucking business out of the way Stop trying to make everything a live service I'm trying to make a much like they can buy where can get a game out the door is what we understand that with the dragon Is a real guard I think you just need a studio that can get a triple a game out the door and I think by aware I'm even thinking of this is like sure you can get out the next back then we're Nine years ten years. I'm thinking of hey make this partnership right now because right now I don't believe the next aspect's gonna come out really that's an easy question Like right now they're in a dire place.
I think you give Mass Effect obviously Mass Effect Mass Effect can do very well It's a beloved franchise I think you I think if you partner them up with something that might have the potential to I put them on that place of alright We're back. It's new it's fresh. It's doing see I would actually I mean I would think I better fit in my mind is CD project I mean like the Witcher isn't an original franchise, right? It's based off books right like I Yeah, exactly so they have like that that history of taking the source material I mean like we're going to really take our time and make this and expand on the source material So yeah, I like the idea though, right?
I mean cuz I even doing awakening right the amount of people I talk to that are like oh man the new triple a Like do you know it's an MMO like oh shit? Yeah, I mean like people are waiting for that that triple a experience from doing this just it's a demo I'm excited for doing a way to spite it being an MMO right like I'm like alright I'm gonna get this shot just because I think it looks cool as hell But I'm not an MMO person so I don't expect to stay with it if that was just a single player Hey, we are this can be to to buy where what the Witcher was to CD project read that would excite the fuck out of me right Whether it is I'm playing as Paul trade use or I'm playing as a original character whatever it is like that's a world I think is worth exploring the video game side because it's just so different than anything else we have It's a nice way of so many famous world. We have so many sci-fi worlds dune obviously I but it's very specific. Yes, you know has a specific set of rules that I To me that thing is I don't know that a dune game can ever be that big because of how specific and deep it is I feel like translating that to a mainstream appeal video game Like I think that I love the pitch of it being by where I just again go back to what they say anything I don't know like it scares me because I feel like the success of dune is like the movies are fantastic But I would say the majority of people that saw that movie if you ask them what happened It wouldn't have an answer.
Hey, it's me Greg. I believe I watched both of them Right. Yeah, I like some a lot so I sit there watching I'm like Yeah, I feel like that's a tall word But if they pull it off that'd be really really sick and I do think to give gamers credit gamers now do want something more and deeper And want something that they can stick their teeth into and like think about as opposed to just like swinging a lightsaber or whatever But more people want to swing I want to walk the sand The same room comes up. Yeah, I write it Oh, Greg, what's your next one?
Yeah, these are ones that are can be quick I think what's interesting about my pitch that I should have said at the front We've been conversating so well, right is that how do you save w games? I'm very much of the idea that needs to die to some respects So mine is very much DC games like right? I want them to do Marvel games I want them to become DC games and these own studios or whatever But it's a you know the clip of me yelling at James Gunn trying to get a meeting right? It's that idea and so like mine is when you've heard me say a good gillion times It's not even worth talking that much about but it is ad hoc studio making Superman You've ever heard me throughout the year say tell tale should make Superman that was back in the day before tell telepar And then I was talking about it like tell tell tale without it falling apart ad hoc studio are so many tell-tell devs that you know them from the game More this year they're working on dispatch drop that trailer This is where your own Paul and Laura Bailey came out and there was just tension You can cut with a knife when they talked about it introduced it and it being this thing of your dispatching superheroes to go get it Right?
It is a telltale game I do believe that an open world triple-A Superman game could work I'm clearly a minority and also people don't like Superman as much as I do Totally fine. Make something smaller make it cool and really I mean double down I think on what tell tell did right with the Batman games they did right again I guess one of those like Batman season one I thought was really good season two comes around it's not as good so it kind of hurts what you think of the game in my opinion Anyways Batman telltale made so many different choices and did interesting things Yeah, the wanes were bad guys people could die joker. Yeah, you're not necessarily gonna have it That was all interesting and fascinating So I've always been of the mind of do a superman game this way where it is Kind of the end spoilers for you Tim with the interview Superman eventually the movie, right? There's a missile going here and there's a missile going there and you can only get one like we have to set the reality of how powerful your Superman is who do you choose one is going to kill lowest one is gonna kill more or you know whatever the fucking It's going to be but there's a choice here that then does actually you know affect Superman We can get into the psychology of Clark and we can do all these things and we can limit the power that way right where it's not about You know punching and unlocking a new move as much as it is about a really great Superman story and really great Visuals this game looks gorgeous.
I'm so good like there's so much cool shit You could do that that takes away the idea. Well, okay I'll just wait so you lose was game sucks You know I mean like there's something really cool there to make a narrative Superman game this way and it would be it would work for Invincible work for I mean it's an interactive comic right so it could work for just about anything But as a Superman guy who I think so many people have the wrong idea about Superman hopefully James gonna turns it all around I think this could be really fun to go out and do and have it that way. Yes, please No, I was gonna come back to the idea to the point of IP holders you should trust you know small developers more I think that's probably one of the main reasons this hasn't happened yet as far as a Tell Ray studio like this working on a Superman is that they look at as Superman is too big and they don't just want to Give it to somebody who's gonna make something that maybe won't have the return that they're looking for but you know I think this would be something special I think this would be something cool and probably would be automatically probably the best Superman game to come out if they're Putting these hands. Yeah, I'm sleeping on super shadow.
I'm sleeping I'm sleeping I was kind of like hesitant when I read this just because we were so oversaturated with these telltale games for soul Yeah, I know like but now the more I think about it's probably the right time to do it right I mean like it would stand on its own other than you know dispatch over here and you know whatever deck I does whatever but I this could be the right moment I like that it is funny look at like this is not one of others or Marvel or any of that It's just the Ninja Turtles Nickelodeon. They're just like hey anyone can make it It's funny because it's like the quality of them almost doesn't matter absolutely dog shit It's some of them are like some of my favorite games of the year like they treat him and he like his war hammer Yeah, I feel like you could do that for certain levels of I think Batman is an example of it Like I think Batman is pro and Spider-Man are probably the only two superheroes that you can't overdo like just put everything out in the quality of Sometimes aren't gonna affect the quality of sales of others. Sure. I'll be just for any other IP That's why my just to tack on it's another one I talked about my last pick And I think the one that would be it right of like saving it figuring it out We know rock city working on a game.
I still would push for Batman beyond Arkham Do it Batman beyond but it's the only Arkham universe. I would completely oh suicide squad that was an alternate universe Don't worry about it. Don't even know any of that we're picking up from the events of Arkham night Well, not we're jumping way ahead right and we're giving you tearing me in this just fucking do it be Wilfredo I mean sadly we lost Kevin But you can bring in Roger Craig Smith the play in older man, right again You respect Kevin Conroy's contribution to the archivers as that Batman But here we are years later with this, you know if you can I know Hamels been very clear Like you doesn't want to do Joker anymore without him But if you're honoring it and there's legacy and all stuff try to get Hamel back as Joker or bring in Troy's the Joker And just do Batman beyond basically, you know the return of the Joker story on right and just fucking go in a game format Let's go. It's that simple like real talk those like that's how you say wb is It's not a beyond like we all know the answer all of us agree Yeah, you know everyone listening like yes, that's it's they need to do it the one wrinkle that I had there When I wrote that bit and I saw you put it like I deleted it nemesis system question mark with that Do we see that in any of our pitches or any world would we bring that back?
We just White Lotus Whoa But no real talk This kind of like goes back to what I was talking about with less with Dune and I know that it's not the biggest thing ever But Game of Thrones the fact that it hasn't had a big AAA game yet Monolith should have made that by the way 100% It's absolutely wild that that didn't happen and they keep putting out these mobile games They did the telltale one that wasn't that good? But the thing about Game of Thrones like sure last season debatable last couple seasons people didn't love people do really like House of the Dragon it gets the viewership people are back for that show when it comes out really schedule sucks because modern TV production Suck but there is still some level of excitement for Game of Thrones nowhere near the fever pitch It used to be but what does remain is people's knowledge of the families and the locations and the different understanding of magic abilities and weapons There's iconography and I feel like that's the type of stuff that you can translate to a video game so easily and just tell a good story Like they just get a Game of Thrones story that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the actual cannon to the books or whatever Like I am nemesis system to that I feel like you don't need to overthink it make it God of war shadows water or showers of war level game with Game of Thrones I'm just making good that's it everyone no for no Can I give my last pitch yes green arrow by arcane Ideally I would have given the Starken Austin but recipes are kenosin Originally I was thinking about gorilla for this I'm gonna be debating because I wrote this week you know so I want to get all the details right I don't think greener actually fits the multiplayer station first party Which is why I'm actually not gonna give it to gorilla I think green arrows a little bit of a deeper cut But I think it has high potential because of the TV show and I think there's no people around now that you have this connection The girl in the mail back I mean in my ideal green arrow game. I mean I don't know he's busy doing Susel right now great so no, but I so stuck to be greener I don't have to work out I know right now I do the salmon ladder like a man rest I do envision this as a more darker tone green arrow thing like have it be more akin to the TV shows It's like a little bit narrow I give a tarkane because I think they could do for green arrow what machine games did for Indiana Jones, right? Make it true to form make it as greener as possible right?
It doesn't have to be this big action name doesn't have to be a horizon or anor anything like that make a green arrow video game Which I think is more of a number of semi self game where you're planning your moves using different gadgets and different arrows You put it in first person like dishonored you know lock in on good level design Maybe in Star City it can be on you who the island which I know from the TV show I know that's But it's Canada to you Because if I'm my cannon but I do think in the same way that I'm gonna work really well for Indiana Jones that's something that could work really well for green arrow and that in that style the character Yeah, I love that I also had a pitch for arcane or you be soft and that is like a cat woman I see him they specifically going towers kind of have I'm sorry to be soft game well specifically because I want this to be splinter cell I love this to be splinter cell and there's just I've done so much research guys I've been trying to find something that's like splinter cell that's come out in the last 10 years It just does not exist like no one makes anything that's like splinter cell The closest I can think of is dishonored and potentially you be something a remake of splinter Or Bless what was the other immersive game that like really a day sex who's the D. Oh, yeah, it's So I mean I would arrive at the other guys know they got bought by which McCallitt embrace group right my crazy They're gonna brace after guardians. Okay. Either way.
I want Either way I want a cat one high scheme it goes off of the Arkham City Arkham City when they had the little mini DLC for Catwoman that's part of the game of the year edition, but whatever it's technically DLC where it's you know her doing a Nice thing and I was like fuck this will be such an amazing game Like if she's able to go in there and you have all the CD underbelly of Gotham You have black mask and you have you have a penguin you have poison iv like you're able to kind of build this universe You know could it be connected to DC studios maybe? The only thing here James don't listen one more thing the one the one last one that I actually have that I do think it could be connected to DC Studios I think this might be the right direction going forward is Like a Superman and I stand by this just because I think that TT games is doing too fucking much with their games I look at the newer games that they've made and they're too complicated You go back to the Xbox 360 era when they were making the ps2 era when they were making like seven games in them like four years like those games were So simple they had a rinse and repeat format and they were fun and they were they were perfect for kids now They're just spending five six years making a lego skywalker game that isn't really serving anybody like you should just be banging these fucking games out Like Superman Lego Superman should come out maybe six months after the release of the of the movie It should tell the story of the movie and it should just be a companion piece And here it is for kids that want to enjoy it and want to be a part of the movie that they just watch and they have on DVD Or whatever on digital That is what I think TT games should be doing and it's so fucking frustrating because why are they making like one game generation now? Like this should not have you happen? They should be banging these games out every other year crazy These games out I'm serious.
We got a couple more super chats. I want to get to a real quick Sorry, I don't yes, I was Montreal's now I'd also interact a corporation But they suffered so many layoffs since the buy off the other right now They're just listed as their next game is supportive development for playground on fable Oh, but dead it would sound like that's great. It was a talk about them bringing back the asset Now they were working on that no they were in the back I canceled it bracelet like no no we don't want that I remember being very angry about that I'm mad again Total lack of meaningful game of thrones games is a shame absolutely what a fumbled bag there Just a hinkle says over here building up piece of furniture and laughing my ass off with the cartoon conversation I grew thrudger what the fuck even was cat dog Oh my god Says I still know how it's like a c-type of TC game hasn't happened yet make your own superhero self crimes and eventually Okay Free Unfortunately says I've always imagined green arrow as a stealth game to bless but more akin to the last of us part two But an arcane immersive sim works even better pieces and then last one Jay baseball says give me a Gotham PD game made by the division Studio with Batman's off of the Justice League of the PD has to hold down the fort until he gets back I Think Bless his soul darken I saw will darken I sold my soul till next time the rock love you all goodbye