How to Stand Out in B2B Marketing (with Louis Grenier, Author of Stand the F*ck Out)

#322 | Louis Grenier joins Dave for a conversation about what it actually takes to stand out in B2B marketing when everything feels the same. Louis sent Dave 10 surprise gifts to open during the show, and each one sparks a conversation about marketing, career, and life. They talk about the reality of how people decide to buy and why Louis is so focused on timeless fundamentals.Timestamps(00:00) - — Timeless marketing vs the AI hype (03:40) - — The colonoscopy story. (11:00) - — Trojan Horse marketing. Get attention first. Sell later. Stop leading with your product. (16:00) - — Why you can’t create demand, only redirect it. (21:40) - — Category creation vs sub-categories. Most startups get this wrong. (24:30) - — Meaning-free brand assets. Why weird mascots and visuals actually work. (30:10) - — How to sell bold ideas internally without asking for permission. (34:00) - — Ads that look like ads fail. Attention is the job. (42:40) - — Triggers vs pain points. How people actually decide to buy. (48:00) - — First principles, repetition, history, and why this stuff still works no matter the tech wave. Join 50,0000 people who get Dave's Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterLearn more about Exit Five's private marketing community: https://www.exitfive.com/***Brought to you by:Optimizely - the AI platform for marketers. Build your own AI agents or pull from a directory of 50+ pre-built ones for marketing use cases. Their new Virtual Teammates can join meetings, complete tasks, support campaigns, and keep your website optimized. Learn more at optimizely.com/exitfive.Webflow - A website platform built for the agentic web, letting modern marketing teams build fully custom sites that perform in AI search with no developer needed. Learn more at webflow.com/for/exitfive.Zoom Webinars & Events – The virtual event platform built to help B2B marketers run webinars that actually drive pipeline, with branded registration pages, live engagement features, and built-in tools to repurpose sessions into clips and content. Learn more at zoom.com/exitfive.Compound Growth Marketing - A full-funnel demand gen agency helping high-growth cybersecurity and enterprise software companies show up earlier in the buying journey, combining AEO, modern paid advertising, and a dedicated go-to-market engineering team. Podcast listeners get two free media planning sessions to find out what channels are driving the best ROI. Learn more at compoundgrowthmarketing.com/exitfive. ***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more