Htmx, Open Source, Retro Tech, and Dev Tools with Carson Gross

In this episode of Whiskey Web and Whatnot, Robbie and Chuck talk with Carson Gross about his journey in web development, including the creation of htmx and its predecessor, intercooler.js. They touch on the differences between front-end libraries, the importance of timing in tech adoption, and the relevance of older technologies. Carson also talks about his love for baseball, retro software, and the potential for a return to simpler and more varied tech tools and hardware. In this episode: (00:00) - Intro (01:39) - Meet Carson Gross (03:25) - Whiskey tasting: Bullet Rye 12 Year (11:45) - Hot takes (21:32) - htmx vs intercooler.js (24:04) - Meme culture (31:43) - Open source and community engagement (36:14) - Pick the tech stack you like (42:15) - Teaching cloud computing (48:01) - Carson’s non-tech career (58:43) - Retro tech Quotes“Intercooler vs htmx. They're the same thing. One of my takeaways from that is that timing is really, really important. Intercooler was too early. And we've seen that before in tech. If timing is what matters then the longer you can hang around, the more likely you are to catch that timing at some point.” ~ Carson Gross “As I've gotten older, I've stopped looking for the one true programming language  and the one true way to  do X or Y or Z. There's a lot of different ways to get stuff done. And I like that there are people doing them different ways and that they've got their different take on things.” ~ Carson Gross Links Montana State University: https://www.montana.edu Jameson: https://www.jamesonwhiskey.com Bulleit 12 Year Rye: https://www.bulleit.com/whiskey/bulleit-12-year-old-rye Stagg JR: https://www.buffalotracedistillery.com/brands/stagg-jr Maker’s Mark: https://www.makersmark.com Redbreast: https://www.redbreastwhiskey.com OCaml: https://ocaml.org HyperCard Programmer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperCard Vercel: https://vercel.com Thinking in Java: https://www.amazon.com/Thinking-Java-4th-Bruce-Eckel/dp/0131872486 JetBrains: https://www.jetbrains.com TailwindCSS: https://tailwindcss.com IntercoolerJS / intercoolerjs.org: https://intercoolerjs.org Big Sky Dev Con: https://bigskydevcon.com Manning: https://www.manning.com Teej_dv: https://www.twitch.tv/teej_dv Fireship - htmx in 100 seconds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-GSGH2RxJs Hacker News: https://news.ycombinator.com sst.dev: https://sst.dev Dax Raad: https://x.com/thdxr Open Next on GitHub: https://github.com/serverless-stack/open-next floppydisks.com: https://floppydisks.com Zork Game: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zork hyperscript: https://hyperscript.org unpoly: https://unpoly.com Analogue: https://www.analogue.co Parov Stelar: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVtnG15ufdzur71RqfqNSOg Connect with Carson Website: https://hypermedia.systems Htmx: https://htmx.org X / Twitter: https://x.com/htmx_org Connect with our hosts Robbie Wagner: https://x.com/RobbieTheWagner Chuck Carpenter: https://x.com/CharlesWthe3rd Subscribe and stay in touch Website: https://whiskey.fm Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whiskey-web-and-whatnot/id1552776603 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19jiuHAqzeKnkleQUpZxDf Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1552776603 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhiskeyWebAndWhatnot Whiskey Web and Whatnot MerchEnjoying the podcast and want us to make more? Help support us by picking up some of our fresh merch at https://whiskey.fund.